Woj:"Davis expected to tell teams he only wants LA. Ainge will still make offer"

[Silky]

Ainge has known every detail here for "years".

"Boston has been calling New Orleans for the past year-plus on Davis, and has gathered multiple first-round picks and young players to include in a package for him."

As we all know NO has the leverage for the moment. They will trade him for everything they can get which might not be that "much". In the long run, they are screwed.

The agent can send out press releases all he wants, he does not "own" Davis' rights, the Pelicans do.

Ainge rolls the dice and trades for Davis for one year. Is this an attempt to keep Irving?

Is the trade Ainge will make a "trade" for Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving?

Ainge isn't stupid, the current team without Irving is not in the first tier.

How many chances does any GM get to build around Davis/Irving?

We have watched Ainge maneuver for this moment for a decade.

Pull the trigger.;

My concern is if AD is only willing to go to the Lakers, New Orleans has no leverage. Would they hold him just for spite?

If Ainge makes clear to them he’s willing to take that risk, and he has, New Orleans should be willing to wait.

then the problem becomes Danny taking the risk

If Danny takes the risk, the Celtics win the title then AD walks, was it worth the risk?

Exactly. Any good GM takes a risk when a transcendent player like AD is available. DA also took the risk on Kyrie, its not like we were on his preferred list. DA was willing to deal for CP3 without guarantee of resigning. He’s been preparing for this exact moment.

This is the exact move you make, and you believe in your franchise to sell the player over and ultimately retain him.

OK...

Lets say Atlanta wants a go at him and offers their 2 picks this year, Collins, Young and Bazemore for Davis.

Would you consider that their GM was acting intelligently?

or do you think Atlanta could sell Davis on being there with Lin, Prince and Huerta?

No

Atlanta should not make that trade 100 out of 100 times.

Atlanta doesn't have Kyrie or anything else to build around AD.  I think it is pretty straightforward decision.  If Kyrie re-signs with us, I think trading for AD makes sense.  If Kyrie doesn't, I wouldn't trade our young players and picks for AD.  AD wants to compete for championships now with established star(s) not wait for young players to develop.

that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

Kyrie resigns long term then the chances of keeping his good friend Davis goes up considerably.

Kyrie doesnt sign, then no way do I trade off all my assets and instead look to move some of the older players and make room for an all young guy  revival. (horford and hayward)

[esel1000]

Ainge has known every detail here for "years".

"Boston has been calling New Orleans for the past year-plus on Davis, and has gathered multiple first-round picks and young players to include in a package for him."

As we all know NO has the leverage for the moment. They will trade him for everything they can get which might not be that "much". In the long run, they are screwed.

The agent can send out press releases all he wants, he does not "own" Davis' rights, the Pelicans do.

Ainge rolls the dice and trades for Davis for one year. Is this an attempt to keep Irving?

Is the trade Ainge will make a "trade" for Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving?

Ainge isn't stupid, the current team without Irving is not in the first tier.

How many chances does any GM get to build around Davis/Irving?

We have watched Ainge maneuver for this moment for a decade.

Pull the trigger.;

My concern is if AD is only willing to go to the Lakers, New Orleans has no leverage. Would they hold him just for spite?

If Ainge makes clear to them he’s willing to take that risk, and he has, New Orleans should be willing to wait.

then the problem becomes Danny taking the risk

If Danny takes the risk, the Celtics win the title then AD walks, was it worth the risk?

Exactly. Any good GM takes a risk when a transcendent player like AD is available. DA also took the risk on Kyrie, its not like we were on his preferred list. DA was willing to deal for CP3 without guarantee of resigning. He’s been preparing for this exact moment.

This is the exact move you make, and you believe in your franchise to sell the player over and ultimately retain him.

OK...

Lets say Atlanta wants a go at him and offers their 2 picks this year, Collins, Young and Bazemore for Davis.

Would you consider that their GM was acting intelligently?

or do you think Atlanta could sell Davis on being there with Lin, Prince and Huerta?

No

Atlanta should not make that trade 100 out of 100 times.

Atlanta doesn't have Kyrie or anything else to build around AD.  I think it is pretty straightforward decision.  If Kyrie re-signs with us, I think trading for AD makes sense.  If Kyrie doesn't, I wouldn't trade our young players and picks for AD.  AD wants to compete for championships now with established star(s) not wait for young players to develop.

that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

Kyrie resigns long term then the chances of keeping his good friend Davis goes up considerably.

Kyrie doesnt sign, then no way do I trade off all my assets and instead look to move some of the older players and make room for an all young guy  revival. (horford and hayward)

I should have added in my post that I’m assuming Kyrie resigns, especially if we trade for AD. We’re in a position to contend now, unlike the Hawks.

[GreenShooter]

I think the Rich Paul thing is questionable. He's known Lebron since they were kids, if I'm correct. He also cost Nerlens Noel a boat load of $$$ or did Noel refuse the deal himself? The dude's agency is based in Ohio still, yes? This is all about Lebron pushing his agent for someone that can carry him on the court, as he will be unable to do so himself in the not too distant future. He's not looking out for the Lakers, his agent, or AD. He knows AD is a beast on the court and he can't win without him. He may not even win with Kawhi on the same team if Boston was to land AD. He knows Boston has the most to offer and yet still field a VERY competitive team that he would unlikely to beat so he's doing what he can to put out info and trying to brain wash AD through his agent so he doesn't get the Lebroom in the finals.

[Silky]

Ainge has known every detail here for "years".

"Boston has been calling New Orleans for the past year-plus on Davis, and has gathered multiple first-round picks and young players to include in a package for him."

As we all know NO has the leverage for the moment. They will trade him for everything they can get which might not be that "much". In the long run, they are screwed.

The agent can send out press releases all he wants, he does not "own" Davis' rights, the Pelicans do.

Ainge rolls the dice and trades for Davis for one year. Is this an attempt to keep Irving?

Is the trade Ainge will make a "trade" for Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving?

Ainge isn't stupid, the current team without Irving is not in the first tier.

How many chances does any GM get to build around Davis/Irving?

We have watched Ainge maneuver for this moment for a decade.

Pull the trigger.;

My concern is if AD is only willing to go to the Lakers, New Orleans has no leverage. Would they hold him just for spite?

If Ainge makes clear to them he’s willing to take that risk, and he has, New Orleans should be willing to wait.

then the problem becomes Danny taking the risk

If Danny takes the risk, the Celtics win the title then AD walks, was it worth the risk?

Exactly. Any good GM takes a risk when a transcendent player like AD is available. DA also took the risk on Kyrie, its not like we were on his preferred list. DA was willing to deal for CP3 without guarantee of resigning. He’s been preparing for this exact moment.

This is the exact move you make, and you believe in your franchise to sell the player over and ultimately retain him.

OK...

Lets say Atlanta wants a go at him and offers their 2 picks this year, Collins, Young and Bazemore for Davis.

Would you consider that their GM was acting intelligently?

or do you think Atlanta could sell Davis on being there with Lin, Prince and Huerta?

No

Atlanta should not make that trade 100 out of 100 times.

Atlanta doesn't have Kyrie or anything else to build around AD.  I think it is pretty straightforward decision.  If Kyrie re-signs with us, I think trading for AD makes sense.  If Kyrie doesn't, I wouldn't trade our young players and picks for AD.  AD wants to compete for championships now with established star(s) not wait for young players to develop.

that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

Kyrie resigns long term then the chances of keeping his good friend Davis goes up considerably.

Kyrie doesnt sign, then no way do I trade off all my assets and instead look to move some of the older players and make room for an all young guy  revival. (horford and hayward)

I should have added in my post that I’m assuming Kyrie resigns, especially if we trade for AD. We’re in a position to contend now, unlike the Hawks.

alright then, that makes more sense. lol

[celts10]

I don't think KG was in the frame of mind to say yes to anywhere at the point he said no to LA. He said no to both LA AND BOS after all. He really didn't want to leave the Wolves.

Finally when it was the Celtics or starting another season in Minnesota his friends (Billups and some others I think) finally talked him into moving on.

IIRC, the only place KG was willing to accept a trade (and long-term extension) to was the Phoenix Suns. He was close friends with Steve Nash at the time and they were Western contenders. Luckily for us it never panned out and KG eventually reconsidered.

[aefgogreen]

I don't think KG was in the frame of mind to say yes to anywhere at the point he said no to LA. He said no to both LA AND BOS after all. He really didn't want to leave the Wolves.

Finally when it was the Celtics or starting another season in Minnesota his friends (Billups and some others I think) finally talked him into moving on.

IIRC, the only place KG was willing to accept a trade (and long-term extension) to was the Phoenix Suns. He was close friends with Steve Nash at the time and they were Western contenders. Luckily for us it never panned out and KG eventually reconsidered.

Didn't he only change his mind after we acquired our good friend Ray Allen?  In terms of assets, we can't really add anything else at this point.

[gpap]

All I know is with more and more concern that Irving is not going to resign, that objective need to change, and change fast.

Horford is declining, Hayward is currently trash contract.

Davis definately doesnt want to come here because he would have never requested a trade at this point in time knowing that Boston could not trade for him.

And if Davis doesnt come, I cannot see Kyrie staying when he can potentially go to play with Davis in LA and the 2 of them take over after lebron(phone calls have repairs their relationship)


Kyrie for Kanter and the Knicks pick

Hayward for expirings

And we end up back in the toilet again??....no thanks.

I am all for trading Hayward, but I don't believe any rumors suggesting there's "uncertainty" over Kyrie staying or going. Also, Al Horford has played really well since coming back from his injury for a guy who's "declining."

Gotta love the gloom and doom.

[Silky]

All I know is with more and more concern that Irving is not going to resign, that objective need to change, and change fast.

Horford is declining, Hayward is currently trash contract.

Davis definately doesnt want to come here because he would have never requested a trade at this point in time knowing that Boston could not trade for him.

And if Davis doesnt come, I cannot see Kyrie staying when he can potentially go to play with Davis in LA and the 2 of them take over after lebron(phone calls have repairs their relationship)


Kyrie for Kanter and the Knicks pick

Hayward for expirings

And we end up back in the toilet again??....no thanks.

I am all for trading Hayward, but I don't believe any rumors suggesting there's "uncertainty" over Kyrie staying or going. Also, Al Horford has played really well since coming back from his injury for a guy who's "declining."

Gotta love the gloom and doom.

If I had assurance that Kyrie wouldn't resign, then I would trade him now

[smokeablount]

If he forces a trade to LA, with Leonard soon to follow, I don’t think I can watch the NBA anymore

TP

If this happens and we lose Kyrie I will give up my season tickets the first chance I get and only watch the NBA on Reddit streams that don't financially benefit the NBA.  They want to reward diva BS and a random location re: team building more than hard work and outsmarting the other 29 teams, I'm out. 

It's also incredibly frustrating that Davis's agent seemingly isn't even working on Davis's behalf, he's working on Lebron's.  So we have a guy who's gonna get a guaranteed $200m who apparently can't even think for himself IE hire representation that represents HIM.  Sorry, but morons shouldn't make $200m.

[PhoSita]

I think AD getting traded to the Lakers and then Kyrie signing with the Lakers to join up with LeBron again would likely make me want to tune out from the NBA for a while.

If instead it's AD & Kawhi joining them, I suspect that would mean Durant stays in Golden State. 

It won't matter that much to the Celtics because in order to ever face the Lakers or Warriors they'd need to get out of the East. 

Right now my focus is on whether the Celts are going to figure out how to become good enough to accomplish that goal.  If they don't get AD, the question becomes whether they can do it with this collection of talent or if they need to make some other move.

[RJ87]

Exactly. Any good GM takes a risk when a transcendent player like AD is available. DA also took the risk on Kyrie, its not like we were on his preferred list. DA was willing to deal for CP3 without guarantee of resigning. He’s been preparing for this exact moment.

This is the exact move you make, and you believe in your franchise to sell the player over and ultimately retain him.

We should just sticky this. Danny's not walking away until AD is traded somewhere. This has been years in the making for him. He's not getting cold feet now.

[SHAQATTACK]

Nice to see the media Laker hype machine is still alive and well.

They are just a brand to LeBron and his agent, nothing more. Same with the media.

I think most of the players have caught on to this over the years, and that's why we don't really see all the enthusiasm from the players despite the constant barrage of Laker hype from the media. They are a crappy organization with one egomaniac star and a media-driven league desperate to push that (crappy) pop brand.

There's also the element that competitive people don't like being told what to do. If I were a player I'd be pretty annoyed by the shameless way LeBron, the Lakers and their shills are trying to manipulate player movement. I hope the Lakers get the LaMarcus Aldridge/Paul George treatment again this summer. Never has a pro team deserved it more.

I would give 1000 Tommy Points if I could .   This is where Im at with my basketball thought s.    The mob , Lebron , TV magnates , crooked agents .  Tribes of money hungry thugs have taken all,the fun out of the sport.  Simular to NASCAR .  Its all,about big money and nothing else.

[KGs Knee]

It's also incredibly frustrating that Davis's agent seemingly isn't even working on Davis's behalf, he's working on Lebron's.  So we have a guy who's gonna get a guaranteed $200m who apparently can't even think for himself IE hire representation that represents HIM.  Sorry, but morons shouldn't make $200m.

I have to think Davis knew exactly what he was doing hiring Paul as his agent, and is using this all to further his own ambitions. Assuming Davis is stupid enough to let himself be used like you suggest seems pretty baseless.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think AD getting traded to the Lakers and then Kyrie signing with the Lakers to join up with LeBron again would likely make me want to tune out from the NBA for a while.

^ This may do me in too., and im serious,  this is not fun where CA teams use their big market power to wipe out the rest of the league.

 There is no reason to have a league as we know it Or ......else the rest of the NBA teams can leave and form their own league and let CA Hollywood CA just have their own World of,Basketball league unto themselves. 

Lebron has finished off NBA basketball .  It basically exsists in CA only and is robbing the public .  So , theyncan just make up like 12 teams in CA cities and play each other and everybody live in LA . 

Reorangize basket for,the other 49 states and leave CA out . Let them have their own little world and live in it .  Im ready to shut them out

[indeedproceed]

It's also incredibly frustrating that Davis's agent seemingly isn't even working on Davis's behalf, he's working on Lebron's.  So we have a guy who's gonna get a guaranteed $200m who apparently can't even think for himself IE hire representation that represents HIM.  Sorry, but morons shouldn't make $200m.

This take is very far from reality. Anthony Davis hired the guy he believes will do the best for him. And, that guy has steered him pretty well so far IMO. He's likely either gonna end up in LA, Boston, or NYK next to another superstar making so much money....how is he a moron? We're just mad Danny Ainge can't manipulate New Orleans into a corner now where we get to have our cake and eat it too.