Unnamed Warrior: Hayward a “liability on both sides of the court”

[Silky]

Gordon needs to hire himself a psychologist to work through his issues.

Looking at evidence/eye test/history of recovery for this type of injury amd there is no reason other than mental that he is borderline trash.....and grossly overpaid evan turner.

Broken leg, apparent worsening of other young players/causing a team divide(apparently)/and new kid.......I can see the issue being mental.

Perhaps he can recover from that.

Hopefully before team gets lost or somewhere else

[10610786d]

Gordon needs to hire himself a psychologist to work through his issues.

Looking at evidence/eye test/history of recovery for this type of injury amd there is no reason other than mental that he is borderline trash.....and grossly overpaid evan turner.

Broken leg, apparent worsening of other young players/causing a team divide(apparently)/and new kid.......I can see the issue being mental.

Perhaps he can recover from that.

Hopefully before team gets lost or somewhere else

Uhh literally the injury everyone quotes - Paul George's injury - took over a year to heal...

[Silky]

Gordon needs to hire himself a psychologist to work through his issues.

Looking at evidence/eye test/history of recovery for this type of injury amd there is no reason other than mental that he is borderline trash.....and grossly overpaid evan turner.

Broken leg, apparent worsening of other young players/causing a team divide(apparently)/and new kid.......I can see the issue being mental.

Perhaps he can recover from that.

Hopefully before team gets lost or somewhere else

Uhh literally the injury everyone quotes - Paul George's injury - took over a year to heal...

Not the same injury though. Some would argue Georges was more severe.

But dislocated ankle and a fracture compared to 2 compound fractures is splitting hairs.


And gordon has had 15 months to georges 1 year.





But even after all that no one is expecting more than 70% at this point in time. But mentally we should be seeing 90% not 15

[IDreamCeltics]

It sucks to say it, but in all likelihood Haywards playing career (at least in Boston) is likely over.  He's getting worse as the season progresses.  He doesn't have lift or explosion, but worse than that he seems to have lost his desire/love for the game.

[10610786d]

It sucks to say it, but in all likelihood Haywards playing career (at least in Boston) is likely over.  He's getting worse as the season progresses.  He doesn't have lift or explosion, but worse than that he seems to have lost his desire/love for the game.

i kinda wish i could speak into existance LeBrons retirement too

[RodyTur10]

Yes, he's a liability on both ends of the court.  Yes, the team has to know this.  Yes, that begs the question of why they've been giving him all these minutes, to the obvious detriment to the team's chemistry.  No, I don't think it's likely to change any time soon.

I'm not a fan of force feeding minutes to a guy when it's not needed or merited.  The Celtics, however, seem to have liked that approach with Hayward from the start.

Hopefully all this is worth it. In all honesty, without the insertion of Hayward in the rotation, the Celtics would have been right up there competing with the Bucks and Raptors for the #1 seed.

We can't turn back time or wish the Celtics had never signed Hayward, which was probably a mistake from the start. He is a teamplayer, so he has that going for him and he doesn't need to be a prime scorer to be valuable. Let's hope for improvement.

[rollie mass]

This is a p--- poor subject insulting and embarrassing-it took Marcus the season and into summer to get over a high ankle sprain and being able to play pain free.-it effected the rookies first step and lift.And this board was savage and brutal-

[seancally]

Yes, he's a liability on both ends of the court.  Yes, the team has to know this.  Yes, that begs the question of why they've been giving him all these minutes, to the obvious detriment to the team's chemistry.  No, I don't think it's likely to change any time soon.

I'm not a fan of force feeding minutes to a guy when it's not needed or merited.  The Celtics, however, seem to have liked that approach with Hayward from the start.

Hopefully all this is worth it. In all honesty, without the insertion of Hayward in the rotation, the Celtics would have been right up there competing with the Bucks and Raptors for the #1 seed.

We can't turn back time or wish the Celtics had never signed Hayward, which was probably a mistake from the start. He is a teamplayer, so he has that going for him and he doesn't need to be a prime scorer to be valuable. Let's hope for improvement.

If you have a team with a reasonable shot at a top-4 playoff seed without going all-in on the regular season (which is the case for us - I think we'll end up in the 3rd position), then you have the luxury of working through the regular season and saving your fastball for the playoffs. Celtics coaching and training staff probably think it's best for GH to get game reps often and that is the best thing for his conditioning and head space. And because we don't need to scrape for the playoffs, we can afford to do so even at the detriment to the regular season, potentially.

When the playoffs arrive and if GH is not able to contribute, expect a tighter leash. Until then, let it ride, support him, let him fail and get back up again, let him have successes (30 points games, triple doubles) - let him be a player and they will hopefully reap the benefits end of this year, otherwise next season.

[Rondo9]

Do people honestly believe that without Hayward, the team would be with the bucks and the raptors for the number one seed? Ignoring the fact that the chemistry would still exist? That Brad Stevens struggled to give players defined roles. That Rozier isn’t excelling as a back up guard given his preference to start? The team had way more problems beyond Hayward. He may not have been scoring effiecinetly but he’s doing well in other aspects such as defending and passing. If you guys going to give up on him then fine but don’t scapegoat Hayward for being the sole problem of this team.

[Phantom255x]

It sucks to say it, but in all likelihood Haywards playing career (at least in Boston) is likely over.  He's getting worse as the season progresses.  He doesn't have lift or explosion, but worse than that he seems to have lost his desire/love for the game.

Really? It sucks to say it? I thought you were happy about this. 

[PhoSita]

It sucks to say it, but in all likelihood Haywards playing career (at least in Boston) is likely over.  He's getting worse as the season progresses.  He doesn't have lift or explosion, but worse than that he seems to have lost his desire/love for the game.

I honestly don't know what you're watching.

[Silky]

Do people honestly believe that without Hayward, the team would be with the bucks and the raptors for the number one seed? Ignoring the fact that the chemistry would still exist? That Brad Stevens struggled to give players defined roles. That Rozier isn’t excelling as a back up guard given his preference to start? The team had way more problems beyond Hayward. He may not have been scoring effiecinetly but he’s doing well in other aspects such as defending and passing. If you guys going to give up on him then fine but don’t scapegoat Hayward for being the sole problem of this team.

he may not be the sole problem, but he is 80%.

Minutes is what players want, and that 20+ per game going to Hayward should be going elsewhere...which has shown to improve Brown/Terry's play.

Also, the whole Hayward must get minutes at the expense of other players hot streaks has to rub young guys the wrong way. No way it doesnt.

[RodyTur10]

Do people honestly believe that without Hayward, the team would be with the bucks and the raptors for the number one seed? Ignoring the fact that the chemistry would still exist? That Brad Stevens struggled to give players defined roles. That Rozier isn’t excelling as a back up guard given his preference to start? The team had way more problems beyond Hayward. He may not have been scoring effiecinetly but he’s doing well in other aspects such as defending and passing. If you guys going to give up on him then fine but don’t scapegoat Hayward for being the sole problem of this team.

I agree completely that Terry Rozier is a big problem, but the other problems are all consequences of the insertion of Hayward (as a starter). If we had started the line-up from last year (Irving/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Baynes) and had given everybody basically the same minutes as last year, while Hayward replaced Ojeleye in the rotation that would have prevented a lot of chemistry issues. There has been too much pressure on Hayward. Actually a bit weird that Stevens allowed that, since he often is quite careful in bringing in new players in (larger) roles.

I really think that Stevens' personal relationship with Hayward has been a factor that forced the staff to make decisions not purely based on basketball.

[Scintan]

Do people honestly believe that without Hayward, the team would be with the bucks and the raptors for the number one seed?

I have absolutely no doubt that, absent the handling and play of Hayward, this team would be with the Bucks and Raptors for the number one seed.  We're talking about a difference of 4 or 5 games, and we can all find at least that many games where this issue, and its secondary issues, not existing would have meant a win.

[More Banners]

Do people honestly believe that without Hayward, the team would be with the bucks and the raptors for the number one seed? Ignoring the fact that the chemistry would still exist? That Brad Stevens struggled to give players defined roles. That Rozier isn’t excelling as a back up guard given his preference to start? The team had way more problems beyond Hayward. He may not have been scoring effiecinetly but he’s doing well in other aspects such as defending and passing. If you guys going to give up on him then fine but don’t scapegoat Hayward for being the sole problem of this team.

I agree completely that Terry Rozier is a big problem, but the other problems are all consequences of the insertion of Hayward (as a starter). If we had started the line-up from last year (Irving/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Baynes) and had given everybody basically the same minutes as last year, while Hayward replaced Ojeleye in the rotation that would have prevented a lot of chemistry issues. There has been too much pressure on Hayward. Actually a bit weird that Stevens allowed that, since he often is quite careful in bringing in new players in (larger) roles.

I really think that Stevens' personal relationship with Hayward has been a factor that forced the staff to make decisions not purely based on basketball.

Yeah I agree. They probably went with the idea of not losing your spot due to injury, but he should've lost the starting spot in camp, and been under 15 minutes after the first 10 until he's duking it out with Semi for minutes. He'd have lost, unfortunately.