Who Would You Rather Send Out in a Deal for AD?

[celticinorlando]

Make everyone available but Kyrie and Tatum. Every pick also.

I'd be pretty disappointed and downright shocked if Danny walked away from an Anthony Davis trade because of Jayson Tatum.

I think you can get AD and still keep Tatum. Would rather you send out Brown, Hayward, Rozier and all four picks.

And never have a free agent come to Boston ever again? And make CBS likely quite upset? Moving Hayward is incredibly shortsighted considering this year was always going to be purely concerned with shaking rust off

I don't think Danny Ainge cares one bit about how it looks. He moved one of the greatest Celtics ever in PP. He will do what it takes.

Who cares if CBS is upset? And if this year is really just about Hayward shaking off the rust then Boston is not winning the East, nor the title. And who is to say that Hayward returns to form next year?

There's enough Hayward threads. Let's not derail this one.

Well Hayward is going to be a chip they can use in this trade. Not seeing how discussing him is derailing the thread. Like you said earlier about Tatum, don't think DA would walk away from Davis because he is afraid of hurting feelings or the optics, which is what a previous poster said.

[gouki88]

Make everyone available but Kyrie and Tatum. Every pick also.

I'd be pretty disappointed and downright shocked if Danny walked away from an Anthony Davis trade because of Jayson Tatum.

I think you can get AD and still keep Tatum. Would rather you send out Brown, Hayward, Rozier and all four picks.

And never have a free agent come to Boston ever again? And make CBS likely quite upset? Moving Hayward is incredibly shortsighted considering this year was always going to be purely concerned with shaking rust off

I don't think Danny Ainge cares one bit about how it looks. He moved one of the greatest Celtics ever in PP. He will do what it takes.

Who cares if CBS is upset? And if this year is really just about Hayward shaking off the rust then Boston is not winning the East, nor the title. And who is to say that Hayward returns to form next year?

There's enough Hayward threads. Let's not derail this one.

Well Hayward is going to be a chip they can use in this trade. Not seeing how discussing him is derailing the thread. Like you said earlier about Tatum, don't think DA would walk away from Davis because he is afraid of hurting feelings or the optics, which is what a previous poster said.

Hayward’s value is at its very lowest. That’s why moving him is nonsensical.

And it’s not just optics. It’s dumping a guy who we got to uproot his family, move across the country, who then had 2 major surgeries all before even letting him get to 100%. It’s bad GM’ing more than bad optics

[RJ87]

TP for this  (and to everyone else in the thread so far, too - it always stinks creating a thread and getting no replies!)

Seriously, though (and the results may be totally skewed rendering this comment completely wrong), who would have thought that at the end of last season this would even be a question? Jaylen Brown looked like the 2nd coming of Jimmy Butler and many were ready to let Smart walk for free. The fact that Smart has essentially taken Brown's starting position away from him and is now shooting a better % from downtown makes this a legitimate argument...and this is coming from a die-hard Brown apologist (I am SO happy he has improved from earlier in the year btw).

If the choice is between Smart and Brown, then I'd prefer to keep Smart. Aside from the hustle and the heart, he knows how to impact a game even when he's not scoring. He understands his role and is committed to playing it. He doesn't hesitant to do the little things.

Frankly, I don't trust Jaylen's "potential".

[celticinorlando]

Make everyone available but Kyrie and Tatum. Every pick also.

I'd be pretty disappointed and downright shocked if Danny walked away from an Anthony Davis trade because of Jayson Tatum.

I think you can get AD and still keep Tatum. Would rather you send out Brown, Hayward, Rozier and all four picks.

And never have a free agent come to Boston ever again? And make CBS likely quite upset? Moving Hayward is incredibly shortsighted considering this year was always going to be purely concerned with shaking rust off

I don't think Danny Ainge cares one bit about how it looks. He moved one of the greatest Celtics ever in PP. He will do what it takes.

Who cares if CBS is upset? And if this year is really just about Hayward shaking off the rust then Boston is not winning the East, nor the title. And who is to say that Hayward returns to form next year?

There's enough Hayward threads. Let's not derail this one.

Well Hayward is going to be a chip they can use in this trade. Not seeing how discussing him is derailing the thread. Like you said earlier about Tatum, don't think DA would walk away from Davis because he is afraid of hurting feelings or the optics, which is what a previous poster said.

Hayward’s value is at its very lowest. That’s why moving him is nonsensical.

And it’s not just optics. It’s dumping a guy who we got to uproot his family, move across the country, who then had 2 major surgeries all before even letting him get to 100%. It’s bad GM’ing more than bad optics

We will see. Ainge is pretty ruthless and if they feel moving him is in best interest then he will. But I will agree that Hayward wouldn't fetch much after this season.

I would prolly move Brown over Smart.

[KGBirdBias]

The only way I see Hayward being moved is if Steven's takes another job or resigns.

Brown, Rozier, Morris, Horford and all the picks are where I believe Ainge will work from.

[keevsnick]

Its technical y possible to not include Smart. But only if we essentially agree to the deal before the draft and use those salaries to complete the deal. Even then it becomes a 5 for 1 type situation which very rarely actually happens. I think more than likely smart is in the deal, but I would rather keep jaylen anyway if given the choice.

Or better yet trade Hayward as the salary balast. Hayward, Tatum picks lets u keep Brown and Smart as defensive wing stopper and opens up a little more breathing room to maybe resign Morris and make other moves around the edges.

[jambr380]

Its technical y possible to not include Smart. But only if we essentially agree to the deal before the draft and use those salaries to complete the deal. Even then it becomes a 5 for 1 type situation which very rarely actually happens. I think more than likely smart is in the deal, but I would rather keep jaylen anyway if given the choice.

Or better yet trade Hayward as the salary balast. Hayward, Tatum picks lets u keep Brown and Smart as defensive wing stopper and opens up a little more breathing room to maybe resign Morris and make other moves around the edges.

The 5 for 1 deal is a little odd, but I believe that will basically be the case either way (Tatum, Smart, Yabu or Tatum, Brown, Yabu); it's just that the two picks will have names and be signed at the time of the trade rather than being 3 players and 2 1sts.

Including Hayward would be great and ideally he could be re-routed to a 3rd team who has cap space (and is likely to strike out in FA). I understand that it's possible to have 4 max contract guys, but choosing between Hayward and Horford as the 3rd max with other guys making lesser amounts is a lot more palatable.

[Roy H.]

Horford
Davis
Hayward
?
Irving

I really struggle on the JB vs. Smart question, because I want them both. Both complement that lineup in different ways. Smart is an emotional leader, a hustle player, a willing passer. JB gives you more offensive explosion and better size; he can be matched up with Lebron / Giannis / Durant and can make them work. Both provide elite defense in different ways.

 I lean toward keeping Brown, though.  I suspect that he has more value around the league, and it probably makes sense to keep the player that could yield a higher return if we did need to make a trade.

[jambr380]

Horford
Davis
Hayward
?
Irving

I really struggle on the JB vs. Smart question, because I want them both. Both complement that lineup in different ways. Smart is an emotional leader, a hustle player, a willing passer. JB gives you more offensive explosion and better size; he can be matched up with Lebron / Giannis / Durant and can make them work. Both provide elite defense in different ways.

I lean toward keeping Brown, though.  I suspect that he has more value around the league, and it probably makes sense to keep the player that could yield a higher return if we did need to make a trade.

While I really enjoy watching Smart and think he would perform wonderfully on a team full of stars, your logic seems to make a lot of sense. Not only would the trade be easier to complete (by not having to wait a month on the draft picks), it would also allow us another year of Brown at a rookie scale contract.

...or not. I could also see Brown being dealt for a guy with additional years on his rookie contract, like Gilgeous-Alexander in LAC. That idea seemed to work well with the AB-Morris trade and I have to think that with so many major contracts coming up (I am counting AD here, too), keeping the salary as low as possible for non-max guys is at least a bullet point on DA's list.

Now I think I am beginning to derail my own thread 

[nickagneta]

I am keeping the better player with the better potential...Brown.

[gpap]

Jaylen Brown. Marcus Smart is the defensive backbone of our team right now (though I wouldn't be opposed to sending out both of them in a Davis trade if it means matching up salaries.)

[A Future of Stevens]

This is extremely tough for me. While Smart is the heart and soul of this team, Brown just gives the lineup so much versatility. Contrary to the sky is falling threads regarding Brown, he has looked much more like the Jaylen Brown of old for a little under half a season. He still has fantastic positional size, and has already shown a commitment to playing defense at 22 years old.

If we are assuming Hayward rehabs and eventually makes it to the hypothetical starting lineup, he gives us a true secondary playmaker. In a lineup of Irving/ x /Hayward/Horford/AD, where x is Brown or Smart, I like Brown better. That lineup has enough "plus" passers in Irving/Gordon and Horford that the ball will continue to zip. They could better use a knockdown 3pt shooter with good size than a hustling passer. Brown fits that bill better than Smart. He is having a bad shooting year, but he is already having positive regression towards his career averages (38%.)

This isn't to say it would be easy to let Smart go. He brings a ton of positive things to our team.

[nickagneta]

This is extremely tough for me. While Smart is the heart and soul of this team, Brown just gives the lineup so much versatility. Contrary to the sky is falling threads regarding Brown, he has looked much more like the Jaylen Brown of old for a little under half a season. He still has fantastic positional size, and has already shown a commitment to playing defense at 22 years old.

If we are assuming Hayward rehabs and eventually makes it to the hypothetical starting lineup, he gives us a true secondary playmaker. In a lineup of Irving/ x /Hayward/Horford/AD, where x is Brown or Smart, I like Brown better. That lineup has enough "plus" passers in Irving/Gordon and Horford that the ball will continue to zip. They could better use a knockdown 3pt shooter with good size than a hustling passer. Brown fits that bill better than Smart. He is having a bad shooting year, but he is already having positive regression towards his career averages (38%.)

This isn't to say it would be easy to let Smart go. He brings a ton of positive things to our team.

Since 12/6 Brown's shooting has been 48.5/38.5/70.1 which is pretty much better overall than last year except by 1% less from three. Still 38.5% is still very good from three.

[GreenEnvy]

Jaylen. Not because I think Marcus is/will be a better player as much as I believe you can’t replace what Smart brings to the table. Brown’s talent is there, but also more common.

Smart’s talent is special.

[jambr380]

I am keeping the better player with the better potential...Brown.

I just had a feeling that you would rather trade Smart, nick 

Funny enough, that is not the prevailing thought so far in this poll. It really is interesting how the perception of certain players can change so quickly from one season to the next.