Woj: AD Only Trade Celtics Are Thinking About

[BitterJim]

I responded to a fan about this last week saying that the I think the Celts would wait until this summer to re-sign Kyrie before going for AD.

But he made a good point. If we wait, what if the Lakers (or another team) beat us to the punch?

Could the trade deadline be the perfect time for the Celts to get Davis by just dealing them this year's draft picks and they can draft whomever they choose? And would Danny then deal Kyrie to accommodate a Davis trade as I know the Celts (by NBA's stupid rules) can't have Kyrie and Davis simultaneously this season?

Because being a 1 star team built around Davis is that much better than being a 1 star team built around Kyrie?

You realize the celtics are on a 50 win pace and the PElicans are below .500 right?

It doesn't make sense, because you'd get a garbage return for Kyrie.  Just gotta wait until Summer and see what happens.

I guess it all depends on how badly Danny wants Anthony Davis. I agree with your point. However, the problem with trading in the summer time is if the Celts deal their draft picks to New Orleans, they have to wait 2 months after July 1st to make the trade official right? (sorta like when the Cavs deal for Kevin Love had to wait 2 months 'til after they traded Andrew Wiggins)

What if another team jumps in and the Pelicans don't want to wait? And could Danny pull off an Anthony Davis trade without dealing Jayson Tatum (instead a package of Brown, Robert Williams, picks and Horford's contract for filler)

The Wiggins/Love trade had to wait because they needed Wiggins' contract in order to match slaries, and you can'l only trade a first rounder before they sign a contract (aka trading their rights) or 30+ days after they sign their rookie scale contract. Just including a pick wouldn't necessarily add in a waiting period

Additionally, a team would put itself in a poor position if they reneged on a deal like you suggested. It would be hard for GMs to look at future deals with them without thinking "are they just gonna pull the rug out from under me later?". And that isn't something that could be fixed by just firing a GM - the organization would look bad until new ownership came in. The team swooping in after the agreement could also be putting themselves in a tough spot. They had previous chances to outbid everyone else, but refused to until an agreement was reached with another team. If I'm a rival GM, I wouldn't take their "best offer" seriously after that - I'd "agree" with another team to try and draw out a better deal

And besides all that, why would the Pelicans be worried about waiting an extra few days (or even an extra month) before the trade could become official? It's the offseason, there isn't really any downside to waiting on a big deal like that

[RJ87]

I responded to a fan about this last week saying that the I think the Celts would wait until this summer to re-sign Kyrie before going for AD.

But he made a good point. If we wait, what if the Lakers (or another team) beat us to the punch?

Could the trade deadline be the perfect time for the Celts to get Davis by just dealing them this year's draft picks and they can draft whomever they choose? And would Danny then deal Kyrie to accommodate a Davis trade as I know the Celts (by NBA's stupid rules) can't have Kyrie and Davis simultaneously this season?

Because being a 1 star team built around Davis is that much better than being a 1 star team built around Kyrie?

You realize the celtics are on a 50 win pace and the PElicans are below .500 right?

It doesn't make sense, because you'd get a garbage return for Kyrie.  Just gotta wait until Summer and see what happens.

I guess it all depends on how badly Danny wants Anthony Davis. I agree with your point. However, the problem with trading in the summer time is if the Celts deal their draft picks to New Orleans, they have to wait 2 months after July 1st to make the trade official right? (sorta like when the Cavs deal for Kevin Love had to wait 2 months 'til after they traded Andrew Wiggins)

What if another team jumps in and the Pelicans don't want to wait? And could Danny pull off an Anthony Davis trade without dealing Jayson Tatum (instead a package of Brown, Robert Williams, picks and Horford's contract for filler)

The Wiggins/Love trade had to wait because they needed Wiggins' contract in order to match slaries, and you can'l only trade a first rounder before they sign a contract (aka trading their rights) or 30+ days after they sign their rookie scale contract. Just including a pick wouldn't necessarily add in a waiting period

Additionally, a team would put itself in a poor position if they reneged on a deal like you suggested. It would be hard for GMs to look at future deals with them without thinking "are they just gonna pull the rug out from under me later?". And that isn't something that could be fixed by just firing a GM - the organization would look bad until new ownership came in. The team swooping in after the agreement could also be putting themselves in a tough spot. They had previous chances to outbid everyone else, but refused to until an agreement was reached with another team. If I'm a rival GM, I wouldn't take their "best offer" seriously after that - I'd "agree" with another team to try and draw out a better deal

And besides all that, why would the Pelicans be worried about waiting an extra few days (or even an extra month) before the trade could become official? It's the offseason, there isn't really any downside to waiting on a big deal like that

I think the thought process is that GM's and owners of billion dollar franchises are as impatient as fans.

[gpap]

I responded to a fan about this last week saying that the I think the Celts would wait until this summer to re-sign Kyrie before going for AD.

But he made a good point. If we wait, what if the Lakers (or another team) beat us to the punch?

Could the trade deadline be the perfect time for the Celts to get Davis by just dealing them this year's draft picks and they can draft whomever they choose? And would Danny then deal Kyrie to accommodate a Davis trade as I know the Celts (by NBA's stupid rules) can't have Kyrie and Davis simultaneously this season?

Because being a 1 star team built around Davis is that much better than being a 1 star team built around Kyrie?

You realize the celtics are on a 50 win pace and the PElicans are below .500 right?

It doesn't make sense, because you'd get a garbage return for Kyrie.  Just gotta wait until Summer and see what happens.

I guess it all depends on how badly Danny wants Anthony Davis? I agree with your point. However, the problem with trading in the summer time is if the Celts deal their draft picks to New Orleans, they have to wait 2 months after July 1st to make the trade official right? (sorta like when the Cavs deal for Kevin Love had to wait 2 months 'til after they traded Andrew Wiggins)

What if another team jumps in and the Pelicans don't want to wait?

It's a hairy situation indeed, but you can assume there would be some "wink wink" under the table deal before we use the draft picks.

It is kinda hairy. I also wonder what's more important to Danny? Trying to pair up Davis with Kyrie, in which case the summer obviously makes the most sense. Or would he try (not saying the Pels would necessarily agree) to offer a package to the Pelicans at the trade deadline, consisting of Brown, Williams, draft picks, etc and trying to keep Tatum (hence getting his man while also keeping his best young player) Maybe in this case, a 3rd team gets involved which is where Kyrie gets dealt.

So then, we would have a starting five of Rozier or Smart, Hayward, Tatum, Horford and Davis.

[Chief]

I always feel this team looks toward the future too much.

*When we sign Horford

*When we get Kyrie and Hayward

*When Hayward gets healthy

**When we trade for AD

I'm patient and I'm trying to see the big picture.  But it kinda feels like this too.

You're having trouble seeing that big picture? We're the most talented team in the East, have three youngsters that should be starting on any other team, a once in a lifetime generational point guard, and potentially for first round picks in this draft.

I just don't get it.

I get it. All the eggs are in the AD basket. I'm good with that too. But we don't know if we will get him and we dont know if we can beat the Warriors with him.

[celticinorlando]

Everyone and every pick is available except Kyrie and Tatum. Anyone else is on the block.

[Ogaju]

Everyone and every pick is available except Kyrie and Tatum. Anyone else is on the block.

Keeping Tatum may be tricky!!!

[RJ87]

Everyone and every pick is available except Kyrie and Tatum. Anyone else is on the block.

Keeping Tatum may be tricky!!!

I'm perfectly fine letting Tatum be the centerpiece. He very well might become an All-Star or he might not. Anthony Davis is an All-Star. A perennial one at that. At 25 years old.

[ozgod]

I always feel this team looks toward the future too much.

*When we sign Horford

*When we get Kyrie and Hayward

*When Hayward gets healthy

**When we trade for AD

I'm patient and I'm trying to see the big picture.  But it kinda feels like this too.

I guess it's because Danny is tasked to build a team that can contend for years, rather than throwing the dice on a single year at the cost of future years. He knows that GMs who can build those types of perenially contending teams like SA are rewarded with better job security than those who might win the championship one year by focusing purely on the short term and then having the team fall apart a few years later when those players leave/fall out of their prime.

[Chris22]

You gotta be cool on Wall Street, when your index is low.

- 10Cc "Wall Street Shuffle"

[Roy H.]

Everyone and every pick is available except Kyrie and Tatum. Anyone else is on the block.

Keeping Tatum may be tricky!!!

I'm perfectly fine letting Tatum be the centerpiece. He very well might become an All-Star or he might not. Anthony Davis is an All-Star. A perennial one at that. At 25 years old.

Realistically, no Tatum equals no Davis.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I always feel this team looks toward the future too much.

*When we sign Horford

*When we get Kyrie and Hayward

*When Hayward gets healthy

**When we trade for AD

I'm patient and I'm trying to see the big picture.  But it kinda feels like this too.

Yeah, the can's always getting kicked down the road with this team. "Next season will be the season, you just wait and see!"

Then those same people start spouting revisionist history—"Oh, I never thought they'd be great this season; I figured they would take some time to gel."

Then the cycle repeats.

It must comfort Horford to know that in spite of being Boston's first-ever big free agent signing, he'll be long gone from Boston by the time the Celtics get around to winning their next title (unless he feels like sticking around on a much-smaller new deal).

[RockinRyA]

I responded to a fan about this last week saying that the I think the Celts would wait until this summer to re-sign Kyrie before going for AD.

But he made a good point. If we wait, what if the Lakers (or another team) beat us to the punch?

Could the trade deadline be the perfect time for the Celts to get Davis by just dealing them this year's draft picks and they can draft whomever they choose? And would Danny then deal Kyrie to accommodate a Davis trade as I know the Celts (by NBA's stupid rules) can't have Kyrie and Davis simultaneously this season?

Because being a 1 star team built around Davis is that much better than being a 1 star team built around Kyrie?

You realize the celtics are on a 50 win pace and the PElicans are below .500 right?

It doesn't make sense, because you'd get a garbage return for Kyrie.  Just gotta wait until Summer and see what happens.

Agree 100%. Fans are too shortsighted! I mean afterall, these are the same people that cried after Ainge started cleaning the roster off bad contracts and disassemled a playoff team and filled them with young guys that lost 18 straight, or trading away the big three for picks, or trading away an injured IT for Kyrie. They shouldve known by now to just shut up and leave GMing to Ainge.

[RJ87]

I always feel this team looks toward the future too much.

*When we sign Horford

*When we get Kyrie and Hayward

*When Hayward gets healthy

**When we trade for AD

I'm patient and I'm trying to see the big picture.  But it kinda feels like this too.

Yeah, the can's always getting kicked down the road with this team. "Next season will be the season, you just wait and see!"

Then those same people start spouting revisionist history—"Oh, I never thought they'd be great this season; I figured they would take some time to gel."

Then the cycle repeats.

It must comfort Horford to know that in spite of being Boston's first-ever big free agent signing, he'll be long gone from Boston by the time the Celtics get around to winning their next title (unless he feels like sticking around on a much-smaller new deal).

There's a difference between not making panic moves and kicking the can down the road. This team has plenty of talent, it makes zero sense to bail on it half a season into everyone being healthy. Go ask a Suns, Knicks or Magic fan, they'd kill to have this roster.

[Vermont Green]

I think people are missing the point.  As a team, we are in great shape relative to anyone other than GSW which is a generationally stacked team.  Because of that, the only player that would make sense to break up what we have to get would be Davis.  If Davis becomes available, of course we should make a run for him but if we don't get him, it is not the end of the world.  We will still be a team loaded with young talent and already performing at a high level.

I suspect we would do some smaller trade that gave up say Brown or Rozier for a quality, help us right now, big.  A trade like that may not be available and we don't want to reach for a trade just to do a trade but I am sure DA is working on any and all possibilities.

[Moranis]

I think you could read this the other way i.e. the C's think Davis is the only player that will truly make a difference so there is no reason to make a move that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.  Players like Conley and Gasol are nice players, but they aren't elevating this team above the Warriors so it makes no sense for Boston to make moves that affect their future trading assets.  I don't think this would foreclose Boston from making minor moves using players that won't be on the team in the summer (like Morris and Rozier).