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A logical Rozier trade proposal
« on: January 13, 2019, 09:31:04 AM »

Offline Eddie20

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I do think that there is a lot of truth in Irving's comments about experience and the young players just not being locked in for a full 48 minutes. Now, the problem isn't just on Rozier's shoulders, but he's clearly the most expendable of the young guys being talked about. Tatum and Brown, considering their contracts and value in a potential Davis package, should not be moved unless the team is blown away in a deal. That said, something needs to be done in order to remove at least 33% of the clear veteran/youth divide that is plaguing our team.

Enter Patrick Beverley. Here's a guy that's the epitome of a blue-collar player. He's not flashy and won't ever wow anyone, but he can knockdown the open shot and is one of the best on-ball defenders I've ever seen. Most importantly, he knows his role and would change the locker room dynamic. His motto is that his job is to pressure the hell out of his opponent because nobody likes pressure. So it's going to be very hard for others to not follow suit when you have a tough veteran like Beverley leading by example. In fact, based on his personality, play, and tenure I wouldn't be surprised if he became a team leader by season's end.


Trade
Rozier and Bird for Beverley


Why for the C's?
In a vacuum Rozier is the best player in the deal. However, the C's desperately need to repair their locker-room and Rozier, although not the lone culprit, is the most likely candidate to be dealt. Again, Beverley is a player that knows his role and has experience playing off better teammates. He also knows his limitations and averages 1 FGA every 4.39 minutes versus Rozier who averages 1 FGA (usually a bad shot) every 2.77 minutes. We aren't likely to re-sign Rozier, but Beverley could be that grizzled veteran (see Baynes) that takes less money to remain with a title contender.

Bird is gone in order to open up a roster spot when the player buyout market opens up. More than likely, that player will also be a veteran so it'll just add to the overall locker room age dynamic shifting towards the veterans. The Clippers immediately waive Bird, costing the Clippers money, so that's why I don't think haggling over getting a second round pick is fair.


Why for the Clippers?
Again, Rozier is the best player in the deal and this does increase roster talent. Also consider that although they do have a lot of guards, Bradley has a partial guarantee of 2M next season (pretty sure he gets waived this summer to go after Leonard or Durant)  and Williams is already 32. Plus, as currently constructed the Clippers play a lot of 3 guard lineups (including SGA), so Rozier's ability to switch and rebound will continue to make that possible.

If the Clippers prefer to not go with Bradley then a 3rd team (Phoenix and Orlando seem like viable candidates) could be called upon to be a 3rd team and subsequently be the ones that send the Clippers a player or two for Rozier.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 10:35:49 AM by Eddie20 »

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 10:05:01 AM »

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We aren't trading Rozier.

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 10:07:27 AM »

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Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2019, 10:09:33 AM »

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We aren't trading Rozier.

Why?

He's going to walk and the Celtics will get nothing for developing him. The time to get something is now.
Once you are labeled 'the best' you want to stay up there, and you can't do it by loafing around.
 
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Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 10:14:47 AM »

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We aren't trading Rozier.

Why?

He's going to walk and the Celtics will get nothing for developing him. The time to get something is now.

Either Chris22 is a bot or he doesn't know how to answer that question. He keeps saying the same thing, but never answers when asked.

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 10:20:47 AM »

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Danny loves Rozier and he is an insurance in case kyrie leaves this summer. With that said a trade of Rozier plus yabu for DJ Augustine makes some sense

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 10:28:35 AM »

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I expect Ainge to keep Rozier, re-sign him in the summer and package him in a trade further down the line or to replace Smart on the Celtics as lead bench guard should Smart be the one traded in a larger trade package.

Which I think is the right approach. I don't think Ainge should trade Rozier (or anyone else) for a lesser talent at this point in time. I think Ainge should keep his trade assets to make a run at Anthony Davis or some other superstar this summer (or next year's trade deadline or following summer). You could easily end up regretting a trade down in talent now if Ainge manages to consolidate some of those young assets for a superstar like AD.

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 10:32:08 AM »

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I would question your saying Rozier becomes best player on their team. Perhaps the best person in the purposed trade?

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 10:36:13 AM »

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I would question your saying Rozier becomes best player on their team. Perhaps the best person in the purposed trade?

Definitely a typo. Fixed. Thanks.

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 10:53:08 AM »

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I like the Rozier for Beverley swap, but Rozier isn't getting traded until Kyrie signs or leaves.

It just shows how important Baynes is to the scheme.

I am sick of small ball though and you compound it by shooting too many 3s and no FTs. You're asking for trouble.

Rinse and repeat....watch how different the team looks when Kyrie misses games. It's hard to explain and I love his scoring but there is more cohesiveness and free flowing basketball. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2019, 10:57:45 AM »

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We aren't trading Rozier.

Why?

He's going to walk and the Celtics will get nothing for developing him. The time to get something is now.

Irving insurance in case Kyrie gets injured or walks.

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2019, 10:58:50 AM »

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We aren't trading Rozier.

Why?

He's going to walk and the Celtics will get nothing for developing him. The time to get something is now.

Either Chris22 is a bot or he doesn't know how to answer that question. He keeps saying the same thing, but never answers when asked.

lol
I work seven days a week, so my life is elsewhere.

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2019, 11:02:59 AM »

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We aren't trading Rozier.

Why?

He's going to walk and the Celtics will get nothing for developing him. The time to get something is now.

Either Chris22 is a bot or he doesn't know how to answer that question. He keeps saying the same thing, but never answers when asked.

lol
I work seven days a week, so my life is elsewhere.

Work 7 days a week? Sounds like a Bot to me.  ;D

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2019, 11:15:42 AM »

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I expect Ainge to keep Rozier, re-sign him in the summer and package him in a trade further down the line or to replace Smart on the Celtics as lead bench guard should Smart be the one traded in a larger trade package.

Which I think is the right approach. I don't think Ainge should trade Rozier (or anyone else) for a lesser talent at this point in time. I think Ainge should keep his trade assets to make a run at Anthony Davis or some other superstar this summer (or next year's trade deadline or following summer). You could easily end up regretting a trade down in talent now if Ainge manages to consolidate some of those young assets for a superstar like AD.


Replace Smart? No way does Rozier replace Smart.

Re: A logical Rozier trade proposal
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 11:40:15 AM »

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PAOBoston mentioned this idea in yesterday's game thread.  I love the idea.

Rozier is hurting us.  He's just not fitting in off the bench.  Having a better ball distributor would help a lot of guys a lot.  His defense, attitude, and veteran leadership would all help this team.  A minor tweak to the roster like that could make a big difference.