Heated between Morris and Brown during timeout in Miami

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Good lord, the overreactions on this board are insane.

Brown has shot 43-75 (.573) in his last 7 games, and that includes last night's stinker. He seems to be turning it around and everyone jumps down his throat after one rough game. And giving up on good players too early is something I'd expect from the Sacramento Kings, not the Celtics.

This team is loaded with scorers who can create their own shot. It it really any wonder guys' numbers are inconsistent from game to game? Brown doesn't have the ball in his hands a ton, and there literally aren't enough shots to go around. In the end it should be a good problem to have, as we will be very difficult to defend in the half court in the playoffs, and will have tons of fresh athletic bodies to throw at the opposition.

The talent is there. My only concern is that the young guys aren't getting enough minutes. However, it is still a very long season, and there will be opportunities due to injuries and rest. We should be patient, we really are in an amazing, fantastic situation.

Oh man what a great post, TP!

The over reaction here is legendary.  Other posters think Brown is a “jeff green” and that he disappears.  Well last night he played a whole 14 min and got 5 shots.  There are a lot of guys on this team to feed offensively, and it seems like at least one of our top 7 guys is going to be short of shots and opportunities literally every game. 

The Morris / Brown disagreement seems like nothing.  Teammates occasionally get testy with each other.  Brown dogged it on a play and heard about it.  Morris has dogged it on def after feeling like he got fouled plenty of times.  We need both players playing well to go deep into the playoffs.  We shouldn’t read more into it.

[Sophomore]

Good lord, the overreactions on this board are insane.

Brown has shot 43-75 (.573) in his last 7 games, and that includes last night's stinker. He seems to be turning it around and everyone jumps down his throat after one rough game. And giving up on good players too early is something I'd expect from the Sacramento Kings, not the Celtics.

This team is loaded with scorers who can create their own shot. It it really any wonder guys' numbers are inconsistent from game to game? Brown doesn't have the ball in his hands a ton, and there literally aren't enough shots to go around. In the end it should be a good problem to have, as we will be very difficult to defend in the half court in the playoffs, and will have tons of fresh athletic bodies to throw at the opposition.

The talent is there. My only concern is that the young guys aren't getting enough minutes. However, it is still a very long season, and there will be opportunities due to injuries and rest. We should be patient, we really are in an amazing, fantastic situation.

Oh man what a great post, TP!

The over reaction here is legendary.  Other posters think Brown is a “jeff green” and that he disappears.  Well last night he played a whole 14 min and got 5 shots.  There are a lot of guys on this team to feed offensively, and it seems like at least one of our top 7 guys is going to be short of shots and opportunities literally every game. 

The Morris / Brown disagreement seems like nothing.  Teammates occasionally get testy with each other.  Brown dogged it on a play and heard about it.  Morris has dogged it on def after feeling like he got fouled plenty of times.  We need both players playing well to go deep into the playoffs.  We shouldn’t read more into it.

I do think there are a lot of overreactions to last night's game - which was a SEGABABA and the 3d game in four nights. That said, the effort was just really bad most of the game, and this team did really well in SEGABABA last year. It's pretty much the same guys. The lack of focus is a drag, especially in a nationally televised game. I'll chalk it up to the grind, for now, but it's a little concerning. You expect teams to get bored when they're full of vets who've won a few championships. Our guys haven't done anything yet in the green laundry.

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Good lord, the overreactions on this board are insane.

Brown has shot 43-75 (.573) in his last 7 games, and that includes last night's stinker. He seems to be turning it around and everyone jumps down his throat after one rough game. And giving up on good players too early is something I'd expect from the Sacramento Kings, not the Celtics.

This team is loaded with scorers who can create their own shot. It it really any wonder guys' numbers are inconsistent from game to game? Brown doesn't have the ball in his hands a ton, and there literally aren't enough shots to go around. In the end it should be a good problem to have, as we will be very difficult to defend in the half court in the playoffs, and will have tons of fresh athletic bodies to throw at the opposition.

The talent is there. My only concern is that the young guys aren't getting enough minutes. However, it is still a very long season, and there will be opportunities due to injuries and rest. We should be patient, we really are in an amazing, fantastic situation.

Oh man what a great post, TP!

The over reaction here is legendary.  Other posters think Brown is a “jeff green” and that he disappears.  Well last night he played a whole 14 min and got 5 shots.  There are a lot of guys on this team to feed offensively, and it seems like at least one of our top 7 guys is going to be short of shots and opportunities literally every game. 

The Morris / Brown disagreement seems like nothing.  Teammates occasionally get testy with each other.  Brown dogged it on a play and heard about it.  Morris has dogged it on def after feeling like he got fouled plenty of times.  We need both players playing well to go deep into the playoffs.  We shouldn’t read more into it.

I do think there are a lot of overreactions to last night's game - which was a SEGABABA and the 3d game in four nights. That said, the effort was just really bad most of the game, and this team did really well in SEGABABA last year. It's pretty much the same guys. The lack of focus is a drag, especially in a nationally televised game. I'll chalk it up to the grind, for now, but it's a little concerning. You expect teams to get bored when they're full of vets who've won a few championships. Our guys haven't done anything yet in the green laundry.

I agree the effort last night was bad.  It is disappointing to me because we need to be chasing a higher seed and everyone in front of us is playing pretty well right now.  Overall we have turned things around a lot since we were 10-10, but we need to keep making up ground where we can.  I feel we need home court in at least a couple series to be finals contender.

[RIPRED]

I will almost always side with the player that is not named Morris in these things.  Morris is a hot head and has been his whole career.  This situation strikes me as no different.

I'm on Team Brown.

I generally agree with your sentiment, but I have to disagree in this case. Before I saw the play in question, I would have agreed with you completely, but after seeing it, I believe that Brown deserved to get called out. Shoving him was probably too much though. I'll give you that.

[More Banners]

Yeah, if someone twice his size got on Morris every time he dogged it getting back... he'd go to HR.

But I don't see a future for Morris here. He's a selfish contract year chucker. The shots are falling and he is playing hard, but if I could pick someone to sacrifice shots and minutes so Rozier/Brown/Tatum/TimeLord can get more reps, he's first on my list.

If there is a consolidation trade to be made during the season to get under the tax, it must be done, and he should be one of those out (with Theis, who has so obviously lost his hops post-injury) We could hopefully return a legit backup C to Baynes.

[Eddie20]

with Theis, who has so obviously lost his hops post-injury

I thought I was the only one that’s noticed that.
TP

[RJ87]

Good lord, the overreactions on this board are insane.

Brown has shot 43-75 (.573) in his last 7 games, and that includes last night's stinker. He seems to be turning it around and everyone jumps down his throat after one rough game. And giving up on good players too early is something I'd expect from the Sacramento Kings, not the Celtics.

This team is loaded with scorers who can create their own shot. It it really any wonder guys' numbers are inconsistent from game to game? Brown doesn't have the ball in his hands a ton, and there literally aren't enough shots to go around. In the end it should be a good problem to have, as we will be very difficult to defend in the half court in the playoffs, and will have tons of fresh athletic bodies to throw at the opposition.

The talent is there. My only concern is that the young guys aren't getting enough minutes. However, it is still a very long season, and there will be opportunities due to injuries and rest. We should be patient, we really are in an amazing, fantastic situation.

Oh man what a great post, TP!

The over reaction here is legendary.  Other posters think Brown is a “jeff green” and that he disappears.  Well last night he played a whole 14 min and got 5 shots.  There are a lot of guys on this team to feed offensively, and it seems like at least one of our top 7 guys is going to be short of shots and opportunities literally every game. 

The Morris / Brown disagreement seems like nothing.  Teammates occasionally get testy with each other.  Brown dogged it on a play and heard about it.  Morris has dogged it on def after feeling like he got fouled plenty of times.  We need both players playing well to go deep into the playoffs.  We shouldn’t read more into it.

Well, let me go one record and say I've never really seen "it" in Brown. Regardless of last night's game. Or last month's game. Or whatever other game. I think he's significantly overrated on this board. I've been asking people to show me what they see for two years (https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=92945.msg2371099#msg2371099) and I'm still waiting.

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Good lord, the overreactions on this board are insane.

Brown has shot 43-75 (.573) in his last 7 games, and that includes last night's stinker. He seems to be turning it around and everyone jumps down his throat after one rough game. And giving up on good players too early is something I'd expect from the Sacramento Kings, not the Celtics.

This team is loaded with scorers who can create their own shot. It it really any wonder guys' numbers are inconsistent from game to game? Brown doesn't have the ball in his hands a ton, and there literally aren't enough shots to go around. In the end it should be a good problem to have, as we will be very difficult to defend in the half court in the playoffs, and will have tons of fresh athletic bodies to throw at the opposition.

The talent is there. My only concern is that the young guys aren't getting enough minutes. However, it is still a very long season, and there will be opportunities due to injuries and rest. We should be patient, we really are in an amazing, fantastic situation.

Oh man what a great post, TP!

The over reaction here is legendary.  Other posters think Brown is a “jeff green” and that he disappears.  Well last night he played a whole 14 min and got 5 shots.  There are a lot of guys on this team to feed offensively, and it seems like at least one of our top 7 guys is going to be short of shots and opportunities literally every game. 

The Morris / Brown disagreement seems like nothing.  Teammates occasionally get testy with each other.  Brown dogged it on a play and heard about it.  Morris has dogged it on def after feeling like he got fouled plenty of times.  We need both players playing well to go deep into the playoffs.  We shouldn’t read more into it.

Well, let me go one record and say I've never really seen "it" in Brown. Regardless of last night's game. Or last month's game. Or whatever other game. I think he's significantly overrated on this board. I've been asking people to show me what they see for two years (https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=92945.msg2371099#msg2371099) and I'm still waiting.

Over-rated compared to what?  I have never said he is a future all-nba, I don't know that and neither do you.  I am tired of hearing all the jeff green complainers.  He isn't a finished product yet.  He is a great young player who is going to have ups and downs.  His final ceiling will be determined by him, not us.

[Sophomore]

Yeah, if someone twice his size got on Morris every time he dogged it getting back... he'd go to HR.

But I don't see a future for Morris here. He's a selfish contract year chucker. The shots are falling and he is playing hard, but if I could pick someone to sacrifice shots and minutes so Rozier/Brown/Tatum/TimeLord can get more reps, he's first on my list.

If there is a consolidation trade to be made during the season to get under the tax, it must be done, and he should be one of those out (with Theis, who has so obviously lost his hops post-injury) We could hopefully return a legit backup C to Baynes.

He is, easily, the Celtics' second-best player this year. Easily. His shooting is elite, in part because his shot selection has improved tremendously. Unlike Tatum, Rozier, Brown and some others, he has adjusted to his new role. The old shake-and-bake long 2s are almost completely gone. He takes the high-value shots he is supposed to take, almost always in the flow of the offense. He gives consistent defensive effort, again unlike some of those above.

I say this as someone who was really down on Morris at the end of last year - he's just a completely different player, and not just because the shots are falling. He's a candidate for MIP.

I think the other part of this is that Morris is 29. He's gone through long years of futility and he knows this year is special. When he sees young guys jogging back on defense, showing no pride, he knows what they are squandering. I don't endorse the shove, especially on the bench, but I understand it.

[fairweatherfan]

Yeah, if someone twice his size got on Morris every time he dogged it getting back... he'd go to HR.

But I don't see a future for Morris here. He's a selfish contract year chucker. The shots are falling and he is playing hard, but if I could pick someone to sacrifice shots and minutes so Rozier/Brown/Tatum/TimeLord can get more reps, he's first on my list.

If there is a consolidation trade to be made during the season to get under the tax, it must be done, and he should be one of those out (with Theis, who has so obviously lost his hops post-injury) We could hopefully return a legit backup C to Baynes.

He is, easily, the Celtics' second-best player this year. Easily. His shooting is elite, in part because his shot selection has improved tremendously. Unlike Tatum, Rozier, Brown and some others, he has adjusted to his new role. The old shake-and-bake long 2s are almost completely gone. He takes the high-value shots he is supposed to take, almost always in the flow of the offense. He gives consistent defensive effort, again unlike some of those above.

I say this as someone who was really down on Morris at the end of last year - he's just a completely different player, and not just because the shots are falling. He's a candidate for MIP.

I think the other part of this is that Morris is 29. He's gone through long years of futility and he knows this year is special. When he sees young guys jogging back on defense, showing no pride, he knows what they are squandering. I don't endorse the shove, especially on the bench, but I understand it.

Yeah that's a bizarre take. Morris' shot selection last year ranged from dubious to bad.  It's been good to great this year. The single biggest improvement in his game from which all the improved shooting numbers flow.  We may be working to get him better shots too now that Brad knows his game better but it's really weird to characterize him as a chucker right now.

[RJ87]

Good lord, the overreactions on this board are insane.

Brown has shot 43-75 (.573) in his last 7 games, and that includes last night's stinker. He seems to be turning it around and everyone jumps down his throat after one rough game. And giving up on good players too early is something I'd expect from the Sacramento Kings, not the Celtics.

This team is loaded with scorers who can create their own shot. It it really any wonder guys' numbers are inconsistent from game to game? Brown doesn't have the ball in his hands a ton, and there literally aren't enough shots to go around. In the end it should be a good problem to have, as we will be very difficult to defend in the half court in the playoffs, and will have tons of fresh athletic bodies to throw at the opposition.

The talent is there. My only concern is that the young guys aren't getting enough minutes. However, it is still a very long season, and there will be opportunities due to injuries and rest. We should be patient, we really are in an amazing, fantastic situation.

Oh man what a great post, TP!

The over reaction here is legendary.  Other posters think Brown is a “jeff green” and that he disappears.  Well last night he played a whole 14 min and got 5 shots.  There are a lot of guys on this team to feed offensively, and it seems like at least one of our top 7 guys is going to be short of shots and opportunities literally every game. 

The Morris / Brown disagreement seems like nothing.  Teammates occasionally get testy with each other.  Brown dogged it on a play and heard about it.  Morris has dogged it on def after feeling like he got fouled plenty of times.  We need both players playing well to go deep into the playoffs.  We shouldn’t read more into it.

Well, let me go one record and say I've never really seen "it" in Brown. Regardless of last night's game. Or last month's game. Or whatever other game. I think he's significantly overrated on this board. I've been asking people to show me what they see for two years (https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=92945.msg2371099#msg2371099) and I'm still waiting.

Over-rated compared to what?  I have never said he is a future all-nba, I don't know that and neither do you.  I am tired of hearing all the jeff green complainers.  He isn't a finished product yet.  He is a great young player who is going to have ups and downs.  His final ceiling will be determined by him, not us.

Overrated in terms of what he is/has shown vs. what people think he can become. I've never referred to him as Jeff Green, although I see and get the comparisons. Frankly, we don't know if he's a finished product. There very well may not be a great leap in his production or development. There was a time when people really thought he shouldn't be included in a trade for Kawhi Leonard, and going back to last offseason, some balked at the idea of including him in a Paul George trade.

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This "beef" is a joke. Let's move on. Guys get frustrated. Jaylen not the first to hold his head down after missing a shot. They all do it sometimes. Morris good leader to call him out on it.

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This "beef" is a joke. Let's move on. Guys get frustrated. Jaylen not the first to hold his head down after missing a shot. They all do it sometimes. Morris good leader to call him out on it.

Agreed. Stuff like this happens with all teams. However, I am also with Morris all the way. He plays his ass off and his having a very good season. Jaylen, on the other hand, has been very underwhelming this season and it could be in part to lack of effort and hustle. As you mentioned, glad Morris got on his case. Sometimes guys like Brown need a little kick in the pants.

[playdream]

Like Morris, but his future isn't better than Brown... Let's be honest.

Do we know that for sure?

I know some posters love Brown and are convinced he's a perennial all-star in waiting, but what if he's not? What if his max out is good wing defender/streaky offensive guy that never puts it together? Wouldn't be the first time we've seen that.

We don't know, but.... Brown has always been a great defender, great size, and prototypical build+ athleticism for 2/3.

His playoffs numbers still gives me great hope.

Do I think he can reach it? Honestly, it's really on Brown himself. He seems like a player who gets too down on himself quite too easily.

I like Morris, but this season has been an outlier. He still resorts to pull up 2's, or contested mid range shots. His 3P % has been astounding, but can he sustain it consistently? We will see.

If I'm Ainge, I trade off Morris for prospects/assets/picks. I don't think we are going to re-sign him to be honest.

Hayward will eventually get back into shape, and I'm pretty confident he'll be able to average not Utah Jazz numbers, but a solid Horford contribution with mixed assists/solid defense/leadership.

Not true at all, he has been terrible on D this whole year as general despite physical advantage and it frustrates his teammates, to a point they have to yell at him on the court to try to wake him up from being lazy on D

[playdream]

Good lord, the overreactions on this board are insane.

Brown has shot 43-75 (.573) in his last 7 games, and that includes last night's stinker. He seems to be turning it around and everyone jumps down his throat after one rough game. And giving up on good players too early is something I'd expect from the Sacramento Kings, not the Celtics.

This team is loaded with scorers who can create their own shot. It it really any wonder guys' numbers are inconsistent from game to game? Brown doesn't have the ball in his hands a ton, and there literally aren't enough shots to go around. In the end it should be a good problem to have, as we will be very difficult to defend in the half court in the playoffs, and will have tons of fresh athletic bodies to throw at the opposition.

The talent is there. My only concern is that the young guys aren't getting enough minutes. However, it is still a very long season, and there will be opportunities due to injuries and rest. We should be patient, we really are in an amazing, fantastic situation.

Brown played terrible defense in those games in general, people can tolerate it when they are winning but not so much when they are losing