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Brown for Bamba straight up. Who says no?

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seems like a fair trade
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Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« on: January 02, 2019, 06:09:31 PM »

Offline Jvalin

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According to rumors, Danny was high on Bamba prior to the draft.

Quote from: NBC Sports Boston
He (=Bamba) is likely to go in the third-to-sixth range, so Boston, with the 27th pick, would have to trade up to get him – with speculation centering on Jaylen Brown and Terry Rozier being among the players who could be moved.
Quote from:  Sean Deveney
Boston has expressed interest in Bamba, including interviewing him at the Chicago pre-draft combine two weeks ago. (...) It’s almost certain that the Celtics would not move rookie forward Jayson Tatum (...). Less certain, though, is what Boston might do with point guard Terry Rozier or swingman Jaylen Brown.

On second thought, we could even expand the trade to include Rozier + Isaac (although we would then be in need of at least one guard).

Let's say Brown + Rozier for Bamba + Isaac

So what do you guys say? Would you consider a trade around Brown + Bamba?
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 06:18:53 PM by Jvalin »

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2019, 06:18:47 PM »

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super interesting idea, to be honest.  Kevin O'Connor basically suggested exactly that before the draft and this was when Brown fever was at it's peak.

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2019, 06:34:17 PM »

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According to rumors, Danny was high on Bamba prior to the draft.

Quote from: NBC Sports Boston
He (=Bamba) is likely to go in the third-to-sixth range, so Boston, with the 27th pick, would have to trade up to get him – with speculation centering on Jaylen Brown and Terry Rozier being among the players who could be moved.
Quote from:  Sean Deveney
Boston has expressed interest in Bamba, including interviewing him at the Chicago pre-draft combine two weeks ago. (...) It’s almost certain that the Celtics would not move rookie forward Jayson Tatum (...). Less certain, though, is what Boston might do with point guard Terry Rozier or swingman Jaylen Brown.

On second thought, we could even expand the trade to include Rozier + Isaac (although we would then be in need of at least one guard).

Let's say Brown + Rozier for Bamba + Isaac

So what do you guys say? Would you consider a trade around Brown + Bamba?

But we already have Williams. With Bamba doesn't it become a little redundant, since both guys can't be relied on as starters right now?

I really like Isaac, so that's an interesting piece for me. But the trade has more of a rebuilding context than a step up for contention.
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Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2019, 06:59:34 PM »

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Rather Trust in Ainge and Williams.  Timelord h is way more athletic.  Heights and wingspan compared plus vertical and standing reach,  Surprise they get up the same distance.


7'3/4"" Bamba in shoes,  7'10" wingspan.  37" max vertical   9'7 ½"standing reach = 152"
6"10"  Tinelord in shoes   7"5"  wingspan   40" max vertical   9'4" standing reach  + 152"

Williams is closer to than NBA body than Bamba.   They both have some skill deficits.

 I don't see how any Celtic's fan says "yes" with that in mind.  We got a rim protector in the making and we would keep Brown.   With this in mind it is a bad trade.

These are Bamba stats, from the combine, the vertical I got his max reach of 12'6" and subtracted his standing reach.   I found some data on Timelord but he skipped the combine.  Williams has a 40" inch vertical and this was his standing reach last year.  Williams is 21, Bamba is 20 so he may grow some more.

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2019, 07:03:09 PM »

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No thanks. Williams has looked too good for this move to not be redundant, and Bamba can’t provide anything immediately
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Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2019, 07:09:01 PM »

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Rather Trust in Ainge and Williams.  Timelord h is way more athletic.  Heights and wingspan compared plus vertical and standing reach,  Surprise they get up the same distance.


7'3/4"" Bamba in shoes,  7'10" wingspan.  37" max vertical   9'7 ½"standing reach = 152"
6"10"  Tinelord in shoes   7"5"  wingspan   40" max vertical   9'4" standing reach  + 152"

Williams is closer to than NBA body than Bamba.   They both have some skill deficits.

 I don't see how any Celtic's fan says "yes" with that in mind.  We got a rim protector in the making and we would keep Brown.   With this in mind it is a bad trade.

These are Bamba stats, from the combine, the vertical I got his max reach of 12'6" and subtracted his standing reach.   I found some data on Timelord but he skipped the combine.  Williams has a 40" inch vertical and this was his standing reach last year.  Williams is 21, Bamba is 20 so he may grow some more.

I wouldn't do that trade, but I'm sure what's the actual point in posting combine numbers. Gobert didn't post great combine numbers, but he's probably the best, if not the most impactful, defender in the league. Bamba can have a similar impact in time, but with a 3pt shot to match.

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2019, 07:27:07 PM »

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In the modern NBA, don't trade wing potential for defensive big potential.
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Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2019, 07:29:48 PM »

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Brown for Bamba I voted no, think Brown will turn things around in the next few months...

Isaac playing with Time Lord would be ridiculous though, hope it happens someday.

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2019, 08:06:31 PM »

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Boston says no, for sure.

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2019, 12:59:45 PM »

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In the modern NBA, don't trade wing potential for defensive big potential.

the "modern" nba is starting to revert because unless you have generational talent, the best way to beat a small ball lineup is to punish it offensively. Big bodies and pound the paint.

So I firmly believe that bigman value is on the rise again.

Also, Bamba has more potential than just defensive big man, he has offensive/defensive potential at the 5

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2019, 01:13:49 PM »

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In the modern NBA, don't trade wing potential for defensive big potential.

the "modern" nba is starting to revert because unless you have generational talent, the best way to beat a small ball lineup is to punish it offensively. Big bodies and pound the paint.

So I firmly believe that bigman value is on the rise again.

Also, Bamba has more potential than just defensive big man, he has offensive/defensive potential at the 5
Not sure playoff results agree with your idea that the game is going to go back big. Not sure current regular season results bear it out either. Most of the best big men in the league just do not play on contending teams. And those that do, haven't had any playoff success.

The best lineups in the league have their best players at guard and wing. Most of those best lineups are small ball lineups.

Sorry, I disagree with you and agree with Pho. It's better to have good wings than good big guys. Especially big guys with very limited range or inability to defensively switch onto smaller players.

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2019, 01:15:42 PM »

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But we already have Williams. With Bamba doesn't it become a little redundant, since both guys can't be relied on as starters right now?

I really like Isaac, so that's an interesting piece for me. But the trade has more of a rebuilding context than a step up for contention.
It seems like the consensus on this board is that we need more size in the paint. I mean, Aldridge vs. Theis was brutal to watch. We had no one to stop him. Obviously, Baynes and Williams were unavailable. Thing is, for whatever reason, CBS doesn't seem to rate Williams. Bamba has a higher upside than Williams. He has even started shooting the 3.

I guess if we were to trade Brown for Bamba, Williams would be the next in line. We could flip him for a shooting guard to replace Brown.

« Last Edit: January 03, 2019, 01:27:47 PM by Jvalin »

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2019, 01:22:19 PM »

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But we already have Williams. With Bamba doesn't it become a little redundant, since both guys can't be relied on as starters right now?

I really like Isaac, so that's an interesting piece for me. But the trade has more of a rebuilding context than a step up for contention.
It seems like the consensus on this board is that we need more size in the paint. I mean, Aldridge vs. Theis was brutal to watch. We had no one to stop him. Obviously, Baynes and Williams were unavailable. Thing is, for whatever reason, CBS doesn't seem to rate Williams. Bamba has a higher upside than Williams. He has even started shooting the 3.

I guess if we were to trade Brown for Bamba, Williams would be the next in line. We could flip him for a shooting guard to replace Brown.


Rather Trust in Ainge and Williams.  Timelord h is way more athletic.  Heights and wingspan compared plus vertical and standing reach,  Surprise they get up the same distance.


7'3/4"" Bamba in shoes,  7'10" wingspan.  37" max vertical   9'7 ½"standing reach = 152"
6"10"  Tinelord in shoes   7"5"  wingspan   40" max vertical   9'4" standing reach  + 152"

Williams is closer to than NBA body than Bamba.   They both have some skill deficits.

 I don't see how any Celtic's fan says "yes" with that in mind.  We got a rim protector in the making and we would keep Brown.   With this in mind it is a bad trade.

These are Bamba stats, from the combine, the vertical I got his max reach of 12'6" and subtracted his standing reach.   I found some data on Timelord but he skipped the combine.  Williams has a 40" inch vertical and this was his standing reach last year.  Williams is 21, Bamba is 20 so he may grow some more.
Where did you find the 7'3/4"" in shoes number? Here are the official combine numbers:

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/#!?sort=HEIGHT_W_SHOES&dir=1&SeasonYear=2018-19

Height W/ Shoes:7' 0.75''
Height W/O Shoes: 6' 11.25''
Ummmmm

7' 3/4"  = 7' 0.75".

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2019, 01:27:06 PM »

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But we already have Williams. With Bamba doesn't it become a little redundant, since both guys can't be relied on as starters right now?

I really like Isaac, so that's an interesting piece for me. But the trade has more of a rebuilding context than a step up for contention.
It seems like the consensus on this board is that we need more size in the paint. I mean, Aldridge vs. Theis was brutal to watch. We had no one to stop him. Obviously, Baynes and Williams were unavailable. Thing is, for whatever reason, CBS doesn't seem to rate Williams. Bamba has a higher upside than Williams. He has even started shooting the 3.

I guess if we were to trade Brown for Bamba, Williams would be the next in line. We could flip him for a shooting guard to replace Brown.


Rather Trust in Ainge and Williams.  Timelord h is way more athletic.  Heights and wingspan compared plus vertical and standing reach,  Surprise they get up the same distance.


7'3/4"" Bamba in shoes,  7'10" wingspan.  37" max vertical   9'7 ½"standing reach = 152"
6"10"  Tinelord in shoes   7"5"  wingspan   40" max vertical   9'4" standing reach  + 152"

Williams is closer to than NBA body than Bamba.   They both have some skill deficits.

 I don't see how any Celtic's fan says "yes" with that in mind.  We got a rim protector in the making and we would keep Brown.   With this in mind it is a bad trade.

These are Bamba stats, from the combine, the vertical I got his max reach of 12'6" and subtracted his standing reach.   I found some data on Timelord but he skipped the combine.  Williams has a 40" inch vertical and this was his standing reach last year.  Williams is 21, Bamba is 20 so he may grow some more.
Where did you find the 7'3/4"" in shoes number? Here are the official combine numbers:

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/#!?sort=HEIGHT_W_SHOES&dir=1&SeasonYear=2018-19

Height W/ Shoes:7' 0.75''
Height W/O Shoes: 6' 11.25''
Ummmmm

7' 3/4"  = 7' 0.75".
Lol, I read it as 7'3¾''. Sorry guys. :-[ I come from Europe. I'm used to measuring height in meters not in feet.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2019, 09:54:34 AM by Jvalin »

Re: Trade idea: Brown for Bamba
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2019, 01:33:49 PM »

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In the modern NBA, don't trade wing potential for defensive big potential.

the "modern" nba is starting to revert because unless you have generational talent, the best way to beat a small ball lineup is to punish it offensively. Big bodies and pound the paint.

So I firmly believe that bigman value is on the rise again.

Also, Bamba has more potential than just defensive big man, he has offensive/defensive potential at the 5
Not sure playoff results agree with your idea that the game is going to go back big. Not sure current regular season results bear it out either. Most of the best big men in the league just do not play on contending teams. And those that do, haven't had any playoff success.

The best lineups in the league have their best players at guard and wing. Most of those best lineups are small ball lineups.

Sorry, I disagree with you and agree with Pho. It's better to have good wings than good big guys. Especially big guys with very limited range or inability to defensively switch onto smaller players.

LASt playoffs Embiid, Davis, Aldridge, Jokic, Nurkic and Horford all did the most damage closer to the basket than further away from it.

Thunder, Rockets, Blazers, Clippers, Spurs, Pistons, Hornets and heat are all Playoff teams right now with centers that are more traditional.

Then you have Embiid , Horford and Jokic.

Horf is the best shooter of the group, but that shooting bump is not preventing the other players from having a tremendous impact on the center position and the game for their own teams.

 

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