How much longer do we need to give hayward?

[RockinRyA]

A year. For the meantime he should just focus on helping the team in anyway he can.

[trickybilly]

Another 3 months I would say.

[SparzWizard]

The Celtics are getting Jeff Green production out of him this year! 

No seriously the Celtics need a number 2 guy behind Kyrie Irving. Tatum's still young and growing. I hope Marcus Morris can step up to the occasion.

[rondofan1255]

Next season

[ozgod]

In the beginning of the season the excuse of him "working his way back" was reasonable for his play....but now we are nearly half a season in and he is still refusing the go to the rim or shoot the basketball and averaging a poor 10ppg

I understand it was a gruesome injury. but at some point Gordon needs to take off the training wheels because we really need his scoring.

I figured it would take the entire season. The physical side of it heals quicker than the mental side. His second surgery set him back and meant he couldn’t really use the offseason to go 5 on 5.

I’m starting to think it’s intended and part of the game plan for him to not look for his shot and instead they want him to pass and facilitate in that second unit. He’s not even in the top 5 in the team in FGA. Maybe he feels sensitive about coming in and taking shots away from his younger teammates and deferring to them because not all of them can take 15+ shots a game.

[Androslav]

We need to give him what we already did.
His contract lenght and hope for the best.

[colincb]

Could be next year, this year, never. He's was not going to get there overnight and it was apparent early on. Tough injury and a setback during recovery. But there's no reason to expect he won't make it back unless one thought it was going to happen quickly.

You can see he has a very high BBIQ though and gets to where he can get good shots and his shots are high-quality ones most of the time. Good all around ballplayer and very effective offensive player before the injury when he had a top 100 career offensive box +/-.

[bopna]

In the beginning of the season the excuse of him "working his way back" was reasonable for his play....but now we are nearly half a season in and he is still refusing the go to the rim or shoot the basketball and averaging a poor 10ppg

I understand it was a gruesome injury. but at some point Gordon needs to take off the training wheels because we really need his scoring.

I figured it would take the entire season. The physical side of it heals quicker than the mental side. His second surgery set him back and meant he couldn’t really use the offseason to go 5 on 5.

I’m starting to think it’s intended and part of the game plan for him to not look for his shot and instead they want him to pass and facilitate in that second unit. He’s not even in the top 5 in the team in FGA. Maybe he feels sensitive about coming in and taking shots away from his younger teammates and deferring to them because not all of them can take 15+ shots a game.

The hell to feeling sensitive.. If I was his teammate ill be seething with anger and tell it to his face that he isnt being paid 31 million to facilitate.. Come on, fix your ass and get aggressive to look for your shot more.. The guy uy has one of the nicest looking mid range pullups pre injury.. Just like what Kawhi does... But Leonard takes about 60 %of his shots that way...
Gordon shoots on the ave. 2 pull up mid range jumpers a game.. And a total of about 8 shots a game...that is atrocious.. There is a reason he was put on the second unit to punish the second unit of opposing teams but right now.. Other teams are feasting on him.

[gouki88]

In the beginning of the season the excuse of him "working his way back" was reasonable for his play....but now we are nearly half a season in and he is still refusing the go to the rim or shoot the basketball and averaging a poor 10ppg

I understand it was a gruesome injury. but at some point Gordon needs to take off the training wheels because we really need his scoring.

I figured it would take the entire season. The physical side of it heals quicker than the mental side. His second surgery set him back and meant he couldn’t really use the offseason to go 5 on 5.

I’m starting to think it’s intended and part of the game plan for him to not look for his shot and instead they want him to pass and facilitate in that second unit. He’s not even in the top 5 in the team in FGA. Maybe he feels sensitive about coming in and taking shots away from his younger teammates and deferring to them because not all of them can take 15+ shots a game.

The hell to feeling sensitive.. If I was his teammate ill be seething with anger and tell it to his face that he isnt being paid 31 million to facilitate.. Come on, fix your ass and get aggressive to look for your shot more.. The guy uy has one of the nicest looking mid range pullups pre injury.. Just like what Kawhi does... But Leonard takes about 60 %of his shots that way...
Gordon shoots on the ave. 2 pull up mid range jumpers a game.. And a total of about 8 shots a game...that is atrocious.. There is a reason he was put on the second unit to punish the second unit of opposing teams but right now.. Other teams are feasting on him.

Your routinely off takes regarding Hayward have gotta stop man, c'mon. He's clearly in a state of both tentativeness (due to the injury and it's toll both physically and mentally) and wariness (not trying to disrupt chemistry as much as he can, as seen through his constant deferral).

It's also not as simple as just 'fix your ass'. For anyone who was paying attention to him this offseason, particularly after the second setback surgery, this level of performance isn't too surprising. His preseason was practically nonexistent, so he started off barely being in game-shape. People need to relax

[celtics4ever33]

In the beginning of the season the excuse of him "working his way back" was reasonable for his play....but now we are nearly half a season in and he is still refusing the go to the rim or shoot the basketball and averaging a poor 10ppg

I understand it was a gruesome injury. but at some point Gordon needs to take off the training wheels because we really need his scoring.

I figured it would take the entire season. The physical side of it heals quicker than the mental side. His second surgery set him back and meant he couldn’t really use the offseason to go 5 on 5.

I’m starting to think it’s intended and part of the game plan for him to not look for his shot and instead they want him to pass and facilitate in that second unit. He’s not even in the top 5 in the team in FGA. Maybe he feels sensitive about coming in and taking shots away from his younger teammates and deferring to them because not all of them can take 15+ shots a game.

The hell to feeling sensitive.. If I was his teammate ill be seething with anger and tell it to his face that he isnt being paid 31 million to facilitate.. Come on, fix your ass and get aggressive to look for your shot more.. The guy uy has one of the nicest looking mid range pullups pre injury.. Just like what Kawhi does... But Leonard takes about 60 %of his shots that way...
Gordon shoots on the ave. 2 pull up mid range jumpers a game.. And a total of about 8 shots a game...that is atrocious.. There is a reason he was put on the second unit to punish the second unit of opposing teams but right now.. Other teams are feasting on him.

Your routinely off takes regarding Hayward have gotta stop man, c'mon. He's clearly in a state of both tentativeness (due to the injury and it's toll both physically and mentally) and wariness (not trying to disrupt chemistry as much as he can, as seen through his constant deferral).

It's also not as simple as just 'fix your ass'. For anyone who was paying attention to him this offseason, particularly after the second setback surgery, this level of performance isn't too surprising. His preseason was practically nonexistent, so he started off barely being in game-shape. People need to relax

Gordon doesn't just look bad, he looks horrific.

You will hear some people who love him or are in denial saying he is making some good plays etc. No he looks terrible out there and shouldn't even be getting anybody's minutes.

[LarBrd33]

Allstar break

[makaveli]

Plenty of time, at this point, i would be really happy with him being a good contributor in the playoffs, but in reallity, anything we get from him is a plus. Just no setbacks...

[gouki88]

In the beginning of the season the excuse of him "working his way back" was reasonable for his play....but now we are nearly half a season in and he is still refusing the go to the rim or shoot the basketball and averaging a poor 10ppg

I understand it was a gruesome injury. but at some point Gordon needs to take off the training wheels because we really need his scoring.

I figured it would take the entire season. The physical side of it heals quicker than the mental side. His second surgery set him back and meant he couldn’t really use the offseason to go 5 on 5.

I’m starting to think it’s intended and part of the game plan for him to not look for his shot and instead they want him to pass and facilitate in that second unit. He’s not even in the top 5 in the team in FGA. Maybe he feels sensitive about coming in and taking shots away from his younger teammates and deferring to them because not all of them can take 15+ shots a game.

The hell to feeling sensitive.. If I was his teammate ill be seething with anger and tell it to his face that he isnt being paid 31 million to facilitate.. Come on, fix your ass and get aggressive to look for your shot more.. The guy uy has one of the nicest looking mid range pullups pre injury.. Just like what Kawhi does... But Leonard takes about 60 %of his shots that way...
Gordon shoots on the ave. 2 pull up mid range jumpers a game.. And a total of about 8 shots a game...that is atrocious.. There is a reason he was put on the second unit to punish the second unit of opposing teams but right now.. Other teams are feasting on him.

Your routinely off takes regarding Hayward have gotta stop man, c'mon. He's clearly in a state of both tentativeness (due to the injury and it's toll both physically and mentally) and wariness (not trying to disrupt chemistry as much as he can, as seen through his constant deferral).

It's also not as simple as just 'fix your ass'. For anyone who was paying attention to him this offseason, particularly after the second setback surgery, this level of performance isn't too surprising. His preseason was practically nonexistent, so he started off barely being in game-shape. People need to relax

Gordon doesn't just look bad, he looks horrific.

You will hear some people who love him or are in denial saying he is making some good plays etc. No he looks terrible out there and shouldn't even be getting anybody's minutes.

If he wasn't passing and rebounding well you might have a point

[celtics4ever33]

In the beginning of the season the excuse of him "working his way back" was reasonable for his play....but now we are nearly half a season in and he is still refusing the go to the rim or shoot the basketball and averaging a poor 10ppg

I understand it was a gruesome injury. but at some point Gordon needs to take off the training wheels because we really need his scoring.

I figured it would take the entire season. The physical side of it heals quicker than the mental side. His second surgery set him back and meant he couldn’t really use the offseason to go 5 on 5.

I’m starting to think it’s intended and part of the game plan for him to not look for his shot and instead they want him to pass and facilitate in that second unit. He’s not even in the top 5 in the team in FGA. Maybe he feels sensitive about coming in and taking shots away from his younger teammates and deferring to them because not all of them can take 15+ shots a game.

The hell to feeling sensitive.. If I was his teammate ill be seething with anger and tell it to his face that he isnt being paid 31 million to facilitate.. Come on, fix your ass and get aggressive to look for your shot more.. The guy uy has one of the nicest looking mid range pullups pre injury.. Just like what Kawhi does... But Leonard takes about 60 %of his shots that way...
Gordon shoots on the ave. 2 pull up mid range jumpers a game.. And a total of about 8 shots a game...that is atrocious.. There is a reason he was put on the second unit to punish the second unit of opposing teams but right now.. Other teams are feasting on him.

Your routinely off takes regarding Hayward have gotta stop man, c'mon. He's clearly in a state of both tentativeness (due to the injury and it's toll both physically and mentally) and wariness (not trying to disrupt chemistry as much as he can, as seen through his constant deferral).

It's also not as simple as just 'fix your ass'. For anyone who was paying attention to him this offseason, particularly after the second setback surgery, this level of performance isn't too surprising. His preseason was practically nonexistent, so he started off barely being in game-shape. People need to relax

Gordon doesn't just look bad, he looks horrific.

You will hear some people who love him or are in denial saying he is making some good plays etc. No he looks terrible out there and shouldn't even be getting anybody's minutes.

If he wasn't passing and rebounding well you might have a point

wow 5 rebounds a game 3.3 assists a gameand 1.5 turnovers a game. Man you got it man.

[10610786d]

Allstar break

You genuinely think so?

I ask because, while I really don't agree with your snarky comments, your positive comments are on point - case in point, you were raving about the Brooklyn trade.

The LarBrd33 guarantee if you will. Doesn't come easy, but when it does, you know it's true.