Fun with NBA Wowy: Is Jaylen Really This Bad?

[IDreamCeltics]

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If you haven't tried this free online tool before, I suggest you check it out.  You can learn some intriguing things about on/off numbers.

You can see, in the minutes that a player (or combo of players) has been on or off the court, how the team has performed.


Celts so far this season: 33 games ... 1548 minutes

111.3 ORTG ... 104.7 DRTG .... +6.6


Kyrie Irving:  +9

999 minutes on the court ... 116 ORTG, 106 DRTG

604 minutes off the court ... 104 ORTG, 103 DRTG

Tatum: +9

1035 minutes on ... 115 ORTG, 105 DRTG
568 minutes off ... 106 ORTG, 105 DRTG


Al Horford ... huh?  -6

709 minutes on ... 110 ORTG, 107 DRTG
894 minutes off ... 112 ORTG, 103 DRTG


Kyrie + Tatum + Horford .... +4

469 minutes on ... 117 ORTG ... 105 DRTG
259 minutes off ... 105 ORTG ... 97 DRTG

Gordon Hayward ... the problem child? ... +1

776 minutes on ... 113 ORTG ... 106 DRTG
827 minutes off ... 110 ORTG ... 104 DRTG


Jaylen Brown ... the real problem child?  -10

746 minutes on ... 105 ORTG ... 104 DRTG
857 minutes off ... 117 ORTG ... 106 DRTG


Gordon Hayward + Jaylen Brown .... -10

385 minutes on ... 102 ORTG ... 101 DRTG
466 minutes off ... 112 ORTG ... 101 DRTG




It's hard to draw any too-strong conclusions from these numbers.  On/off is subject to a lot of noise, plus these aren't terribly huge samples.

The team seems to have performed quite well without Horford on the court, which is surprising.

Kyrie and Tatum are clearly pretty important to the team's success, as the team does very well with them on the court and is just above breaking even without them.

Gordon Hayward isn't as obvious a source of the team's issues as you might think, since the team has done pretty well with him and not super great without him.

Jaylen Brown, on the other hand, looks like a problem -- a big problem -- the team has been great without him and mediocre with him.


But some of this is as you might expect -- the team kills with the starters in and the guys who mostly come off the bench get killed. 

Yet, the Celts are a team that at times has seen its starting lineup struggle and had the  bench bail them out.


So what do you make of these numbers?  Play around with the NBA Wowy page and look for your own nuggets of potentially interesting info.


Is Jaylen Brown the worst player on the Celtics?

Imagine searching for reasons to hate on Jaylen Brown and then realizing he's still outscoring Gordon Hayward.

[RockinRyA]

https://prod-nbawowy-frontend.addmorefunds.com/

If you haven't tried this free online tool before, I suggest you check it out.  You can learn some intriguing things about on/off numbers.

You can see, in the minutes that a player (or combo of players) has been on or off the court, how the team has performed.


Celts so far this season: 33 games ... 1548 minutes

111.3 ORTG ... 104.7 DRTG .... +6.6


Kyrie Irving:  +9

999 minutes on the court ... 116 ORTG, 106 DRTG

604 minutes off the court ... 104 ORTG, 103 DRTG

Tatum: +9

1035 minutes on ... 115 ORTG, 105 DRTG
568 minutes off ... 106 ORTG, 105 DRTG


Al Horford ... huh?  -6

709 minutes on ... 110 ORTG, 107 DRTG
894 minutes off ... 112 ORTG, 103 DRTG


Kyrie + Tatum + Horford .... +4

469 minutes on ... 117 ORTG ... 105 DRTG
259 minutes off ... 105 ORTG ... 97 DRTG

Gordon Hayward ... the problem child? ... +1

776 minutes on ... 113 ORTG ... 106 DRTG
827 minutes off ... 110 ORTG ... 104 DRTG


Jaylen Brown ... the real problem child?  -10

746 minutes on ... 105 ORTG ... 104 DRTG
857 minutes off ... 117 ORTG ... 106 DRTG


Gordon Hayward + Jaylen Brown .... -10

385 minutes on ... 102 ORTG ... 101 DRTG
466 minutes off ... 112 ORTG ... 101 DRTG




It's hard to draw any too-strong conclusions from these numbers.  On/off is subject to a lot of noise, plus these aren't terribly huge samples.

The team seems to have performed quite well without Horford on the court, which is surprising.

Kyrie and Tatum are clearly pretty important to the team's success, as the team does very well with them on the court and is just above breaking even without them.

Gordon Hayward isn't as obvious a source of the team's issues as you might think, since the team has done pretty well with him and not super great without him.

Jaylen Brown, on the other hand, looks like a problem -- a big problem -- the team has been great without him and mediocre with him.


But some of this is as you might expect -- the team kills with the starters in and the guys who mostly come off the bench get killed. 

Yet, the Celts are a team that at times has seen its starting lineup struggle and had the  bench bail them out.


So what do you make of these numbers?  Play around with the NBA Wowy page and look for your own nuggets of potentially interesting info.


Is Jaylen Brown the worst player on the Celtics?

Imagine searching for reasons to hate on Jaylen Brown and then realizing he's still outscoring Gordon Hayward.

Imagine the topic being Jaylen Brown and still finding ways to hate on Gordon Hayward 

[jambr380]

Imagine a team keeps switching Brown off of Harden so they can get a cupcake match-up with Hayward instead.

The on/off #s don't support Brown very well (this was never more evident than last night when Brown was actually very good on both sides of the ball), but it's clear other teams would rather have their best players guarded by Hayward instead of Brown.

[Moranis]

Imagine a team keeps switching Brown off of Harden so they can get a cupcake match-up with Hayward instead.

The on/off #s don't support Brown very well (this was never more evident than last night when Brown was actually very good on both sides of the ball), but it's clear other teams would rather have their best players guarded by Hayward instead of Brown.

This is why Hayward should be starting.  Irving, Smart, Hayward, Tatum, Horford.  That should be the starting unit.  Rozier, Brown, Morris, and Theis should be the main bench rotation (Baynes when he is healthy as well). 

[playdream]

Imagine a team keeps switching Brown off of Harden so they can get a cupcake match-up with Hayward instead.

The on/off #s don't support Brown very well (this was never more evident than last night when Brown was actually very good on both sides of the ball), but it's clear other teams would rather have their best players guarded by Hayward instead of Brown.

Gordon Hayward ... the problem child? ... +1

776 minutes on ... 113 ORTG ... 106 DRTG
827 minutes off ... 110 ORTG ... 104 DRTG


Jaylen Brown ... the real problem child?  -10

746 minutes on ... 105 ORTG ... 104 DRTG
857 minutes off ... 117 ORTG ... 106 DRTG

Numbers don't lie

[PhoSita]

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If you haven't tried this free online tool before, I suggest you check it out.  You can learn some intriguing things about on/off numbers.

You can see, in the minutes that a player (or combo of players) has been on or off the court, how the team has performed.


Celts so far this season: 33 games ... 1548 minutes

111.3 ORTG ... 104.7 DRTG .... +6.6


Kyrie Irving:  +9

999 minutes on the court ... 116 ORTG, 106 DRTG

604 minutes off the court ... 104 ORTG, 103 DRTG

Tatum: +9

1035 minutes on ... 115 ORTG, 105 DRTG
568 minutes off ... 106 ORTG, 105 DRTG


Al Horford ... huh?  -6

709 minutes on ... 110 ORTG, 107 DRTG
894 minutes off ... 112 ORTG, 103 DRTG


Kyrie + Tatum + Horford .... +4

469 minutes on ... 117 ORTG ... 105 DRTG
259 minutes off ... 105 ORTG ... 97 DRTG

Gordon Hayward ... the problem child? ... +1

776 minutes on ... 113 ORTG ... 106 DRTG
827 minutes off ... 110 ORTG ... 104 DRTG


Jaylen Brown ... the real problem child?  -10

746 minutes on ... 105 ORTG ... 104 DRTG
857 minutes off ... 117 ORTG ... 106 DRTG


Gordon Hayward + Jaylen Brown .... -10

385 minutes on ... 102 ORTG ... 101 DRTG
466 minutes off ... 112 ORTG ... 101 DRTG




It's hard to draw any too-strong conclusions from these numbers.  On/off is subject to a lot of noise, plus these aren't terribly huge samples.

The team seems to have performed quite well without Horford on the court, which is surprising.

Kyrie and Tatum are clearly pretty important to the team's success, as the team does very well with them on the court and is just above breaking even without them.

Gordon Hayward isn't as obvious a source of the team's issues as you might think, since the team has done pretty well with him and not super great without him.

Jaylen Brown, on the other hand, looks like a problem -- a big problem -- the team has been great without him and mediocre with him.


But some of this is as you might expect -- the team kills with the starters in and the guys who mostly come off the bench get killed. 

Yet, the Celts are a team that at times has seen its starting lineup struggle and had the  bench bail them out.


So what do you make of these numbers?  Play around with the NBA Wowy page and look for your own nuggets of potentially interesting info.


Is Jaylen Brown the worst player on the Celtics?

Imagine searching for reasons to hate on Jaylen Brown and then realizing he's still outscoring Gordon Hayward.

Cool comment bro. Super responsive and insightful.

Don't let a discussion of the details get in the way of your agenda.

[gouki88]

https://prod-nbawowy-frontend.addmorefunds.com/

If you haven't tried this free online tool before, I suggest you check it out.  You can learn some intriguing things about on/off numbers.

You can see, in the minutes that a player (or combo of players) has been on or off the court, how the team has performed.


Celts so far this season: 33 games ... 1548 minutes

111.3 ORTG ... 104.7 DRTG .... +6.6


Kyrie Irving:  +9

999 minutes on the court ... 116 ORTG, 106 DRTG

604 minutes off the court ... 104 ORTG, 103 DRTG

Tatum: +9

1035 minutes on ... 115 ORTG, 105 DRTG
568 minutes off ... 106 ORTG, 105 DRTG


Al Horford ... huh?  -6

709 minutes on ... 110 ORTG, 107 DRTG
894 minutes off ... 112 ORTG, 103 DRTG


Kyrie + Tatum + Horford .... +4

469 minutes on ... 117 ORTG ... 105 DRTG
259 minutes off ... 105 ORTG ... 97 DRTG

Gordon Hayward ... the problem child? ... +1

776 minutes on ... 113 ORTG ... 106 DRTG
827 minutes off ... 110 ORTG ... 104 DRTG


Jaylen Brown ... the real problem child?  -10

746 minutes on ... 105 ORTG ... 104 DRTG
857 minutes off ... 117 ORTG ... 106 DRTG


Gordon Hayward + Jaylen Brown .... -10

385 minutes on ... 102 ORTG ... 101 DRTG
466 minutes off ... 112 ORTG ... 101 DRTG




It's hard to draw any too-strong conclusions from these numbers.  On/off is subject to a lot of noise, plus these aren't terribly huge samples.

The team seems to have performed quite well without Horford on the court, which is surprising.

Kyrie and Tatum are clearly pretty important to the team's success, as the team does very well with them on the court and is just above breaking even without them.

Gordon Hayward isn't as obvious a source of the team's issues as you might think, since the team has done pretty well with him and not super great without him.

Jaylen Brown, on the other hand, looks like a problem -- a big problem -- the team has been great without him and mediocre with him.


But some of this is as you might expect -- the team kills with the starters in and the guys who mostly come off the bench get killed. 

Yet, the Celts are a team that at times has seen its starting lineup struggle and had the  bench bail them out.


So what do you make of these numbers?  Play around with the NBA Wowy page and look for your own nuggets of potentially interesting info.


Is Jaylen Brown the worst player on the Celtics?

Imagine searching for reasons to hate on Jaylen Brown and then realizing he's still outscoring Gordon Hayward.

Imagine being the most incessant and repetitive poster around. Must be fun at parties