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Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2018, 11:55:28 PM »

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That's the type of mismanagment that leads to a lot of losses.

That is purely your opinion and can't be proven one way or the other can it?    I bet you've never managed anything besides fantasy basketball?.  The thing about snarkey comments is that you have to respect the person for them to hurt, that does not apply here.

Coming from someone that thinks basketball players are machines that has to go 100% all the time I don't expect your tiny brain to comprehend. Go around different blogs and you will see coaches get criticized for leaving players too long that they don't have the energy and leads get blown anyway. You will see coaches find rest time for their players despite being in a deficit. That's why they are coaches and you are not I guess.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2018, 12:26:13 AM »

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Stevens is a good college level coach. He can coach up a team that has no talent and have them overachieve. For that, i give him credit. When it comes to getting a team over the top and into title contention he is too flawed. His rotations/substitutions are pre-planned and are not going with the flow of the actual game being played. As mentioned in this thread his timeouts are always too late. By the time he calls them the other team has built up a huge head of steam. Am i saying that he needs to be replaced? Not necessarily. But i do think he needs to look himself in the mirror for the lackluster coaching job he's done this season.
Stevens wasn't a good college level coach. He was an amazing college level coach. And he is one of the top 3-4 coaches in the NBA.

Stevens is definitely part of this team's problems but no more or less so than Ainge, his other coaches, the training and medical staff and all the players. Everyone is to blame.

But Stevens is definitely a huge part of the solution to get better. He is a great coach. He will turn this team around.

To add to this, on a micro-scale, Horf was on a minutes restriction. Baynes was out. We had no bodies to pitch against Embiid.

On a macro-scale, the team itself has been dealing with a bunch of problems with consistency. The bench, Jaylen Brown, and Gordon Hayward are all dealing with problems of their own. This is the type of stuff we work out during the regular season.

Rozier, JB and Hayward need the minutes to work their problems out, and when they play they have been minuses. That's around a third of the rotation.

So I wouldn't say Brad is without blame, but I'm quite confident when both teams are going 110% come playoffs, things will be quite different.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2018, 10:06:02 AM »

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Insulting or disrespecting others is against site rules. So let's stop doing it.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2018, 12:47:32 PM »

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i ll add one other thing

CBS can kill a run by removing a hot player quicker than any coach i ever seen.  When. non star is feeling it ....let the guy have his day.

This is part of giving up the big leads ....idf you have something working that day ....be dang glade you found it early and LEAvE it the bleep alone.
   

Removing the 1or two guys that got it going , is killing the team CBs

a few rare guys like Lebron , Curry or Kyrie etc ,  can be pulled and usually go straight back to scoring .   

Guys like Brown and Rozier of course at not that elite .  So when they got it going , you need to ride em till they drop.  usually ...next time they reenter the game they quickly disappear.

CBS has a guy going wild .....DUDE !!,....let him play .....SMH.

Had to TP you on this. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2018, 12:49:35 PM »

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Stevens is a good college level coach. He can coach up a team that has no talent and have them overachieve. For that, i give him credit. When it comes to getting a team over the top and into title contention he is too flawed. His rotations/substitutions are pre-planned and are not going with the flow of the actual game being played. As mentioned in this thread his timeouts are always too late. By the time he calls them the other team has built up a huge head of steam. Am i saying that he needs to be replaced? Not necessarily. But i do think he needs to look himself in the mirror for the lackluster coaching job he's done this season.
Stevens wasn't a good college level coach. He was an amazing college level coach. And he is one of the top 3-4 coaches in the NBA.

Stevens is definitely part of this team's problems but no more or less so than Ainge, his other coaches, the training and medical staff and all the players. Everyone is to blame.

But Stevens is definitely a huge part of the solution to get better. He is a great coach. He will turn this team around.

I agree with you that he is a huge part of the solution to get better. He has the ability to get better just like the players do. Unfortunately he hasn't made any significant adjustments yet but i'm still hoping that he figures it out. He's been really bad this year.
He hasn't made any significant adjustments yet? Are you kidding?

The team was 10-10 when he decided to bench Brown and Hayward and inserted Smart and Morris into the starting lineup. They are 10-3 since and could well have been 12-1 if the team didn't lose their starting center, starting power forward, 2nd string center and a bench PF for some games.

Stevens had no business starting Hayward anyway. Hayward needed to prove that he was all the way back before being inserted into the starting lineup. If anything, Stevens needs to be held accountable for starting a guy who clearly wasn't ready. Removing Brown from the starting lineup and inserting Smart was a nice adjustment. Anyway i'm more referring to in game adjustments. Stevens does not adjust "in-game" very well. He sticks to his specific scripts and rarely deviates from it.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2018, 10:39:52 PM »

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Another loss that could have been a win if Stevens had any sort of clue. Hey Stevens you can go back to Butler now you clown.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2018, 10:47:35 PM »

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Another loss that could have been a win if Stevens had any sort of clue. Hey Stevens you can go back to Butler now you clown.
Must've just fluked all that NBA success right?
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

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SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2018, 11:09:18 PM »

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Another loss that could have been a win if Stevens had any sort of clue. Hey Stevens you can go back to Butler now you clown.
Must've just fluked all that NBA success right?

What success? This team hasn't done anything under his leadership other than overachieve and get bounced.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2018, 11:35:41 PM »

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Another loss that could have been a win if Stevens had any sort of clue. Hey Stevens you can go back to Butler now you clown.
Must've just fluked all that NBA success right?

What success? This team hasn't done anything under his leadership other than overachieve and get bounced.
The guy has gone to the playoffs in 4 of his 5 years as head coach, going to the Conference Finals his last two years, losing in Game 7 to the Cavs last year, while missing a bunch of guys due to injury. That is extremely successful for a head coach in his first three years.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2018, 11:36:45 PM »

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Another loss that could have been a win if Stevens had any sort of clue. Hey Stevens you can go back to Butler now you clown.
Must've just fluked all that NBA success right?

What success? This team hasn't done anything under his leadership other than overachieve and get bounced.

The bolded part alone is more than enough to answer your question.

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2018, 12:24:52 AM »

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add rebounding to the list of problems.....

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2018, 01:05:50 AM »

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Stevens is a good college level coach. He can coach up a team that has no talent and have them overachieve. For that, i give him credit. When it comes to getting a team over the top and into title contention he is too flawed. His rotations/substitutions are pre-planned and are not going with the flow of the actual game being played. As mentioned in this thread his timeouts are always too late. By the time he calls them the other team has built up a huge head of steam. Am i saying that he needs to be replaced? Not necessarily. But i do think he needs to look himself in the mirror for the lackluster coaching job he's done this season.
Stevens wasn't a good college level coach. He was an amazing college level coach. And he is one of the top 3-4 coaches in the NBA.

Stevens is definitely part of this team's problems but no more or less so than Ainge, his other coaches, the training and medical staff and all the players. Everyone is to blame.

But Stevens is definitely a huge part of the solution to get better. He is a great coach. He will turn this team around.

I agree with you that he is a huge part of the solution to get better. He has the ability to get better just like the players do. Unfortunately he hasn't made any significant adjustments yet but i'm still hoping that he figures it out. He's been really bad this year.
He hasn't made any significant adjustments yet? Are you kidding?

The team was 10-10 when he decided to bench Brown and Hayward and inserted Smart and Morris into the starting lineup. They are 10-3 since and could well have been 12-1 if the team didn't lose their starting center, starting power forward, 2nd string center and a bench PF for some games.

Did not know this stat. Maybe I browse Celtics media too much - I assumed we were sucking big time.

Baby steps, we're doing it!

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2018, 01:23:44 AM »

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Another loss that could have been a win if Stevens had any sort of clue. Hey Stevens you can go back to Butler now you clown.
Must've just fluked all that NBA success right?

What success? This team hasn't done anything under his leadership other than overachieve and get bounced.
Why do you think his teams consistently exceed expectations? I'm not sure if you're intentionally being obtuse or not, but the answer is right in front of you.
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SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2019, 05:31:10 PM »

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Posted this back in December and it was met with some criticism ("stats show otherwise", "it's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things"), but I feel like these issues are a lot more visible nowadays. You can also add in the constant 2nd and 3rd quarter meltdowns as a problem too, and it also somewhat relates to blowing big leads that we create (great first quarter wiped out by horrible 2nd and/or 3rd).
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Re: Two Nagging Issues - CBS & Timeouts + Holding Double-Digit Leads
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2019, 05:39:04 PM »

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Posted this back in December and it was met with some criticism ("stats show otherwise", "it's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things"), but I feel like these issues are a lot more visible nowadays. You can also add in the constant 2nd and 3rd quarter meltdowns as a problem too, and it also somewhat relates to blowing big leads that we create (great first quarter wiped out by horrible 2nd and/or 3rd).

Yea, Stevens is proving to be the anti-Belichik.  Whatever the halftime adjustments are, they aint working so well...