The bucks blowout Celtics to boos at home

[Ogaju]

yeah they should have had a player's plus Brad only meeting. Brad is not doing a good job so far. His decision to start a player coming back from injury was HORRIBLE

He does not know how to call timeouts.

He definitely is not using Williams correctly. Williams needs to play more plain and simple. It is the coaches job to get him on the court. Other teams find a way to get their rookies on the court, and they excel.

If there are too much chiefs on this team then it is time for Ainge to package some chiefs for hungry role players.

[SHAQATTACK]

i figured they would get beat bad .  They are playing with no confidence , not as a team , several with little urgency or effort

the injuries to Al and Baynes isn t helping the situation.

[Green-18]

yeah they should have had a player's plus Brad only meeting. Brad is not doing a good job so far. His decision to start a player coming back from injury was HORRIBLE

He does not know how to call timeouts.

He definitely is not using Williams correctly. Williams needs to play more plain and simple. It is the coaches job to get him on the court. Other teams find a way to get their rookies on the court, and they excel.

If there are too much chiefs on this team then it is time for Ainge to package some chiefs for hungry role players.

This is a marathon and not a sprint.  I don't think we can blame Brad AND argue that there are too many chiefs on the team.  If Brad is the reason that the players cannot mesh together then why would Danny make roster moves to accommodate our flawed coach?  Shouldn't he just fire the coach and bring in someone who can get through to the players?

Isn't the end result really the true measure of the coach and roster?  Brad has earned himself the benefit of the doubt to see how everything plays out.  Bad organizations make panic moves without seeing things through.

Many people are acting as if adversity should be non-existent.  It's one thing to be critical of the coach and players.  Things go too far when people make final conclusions after 30 games.  It's not like we have a precedent for this particular group.  We are literally in year one......

[Ogaju]

yeah they should have had a player's plus Brad only meeting. Brad is not doing a good job so far. His decision to start a player coming back from injury was HORRIBLE

He does not know how to call timeouts.

He definitely is not using Williams correctly. Williams needs to play more plain and simple. It is the coaches job to get him on the court. Other teams find a way to get their rookies on the court, and they excel.

If there are too much chiefs on this team then it is time for Ainge to package some chiefs for hungry role players.

This is a marathon and not a sprint.  I don't think we can blame Brad AND argue that there are too many chiefs on the team.  If Brad is the reason that the players cannot mesh together then why would Danny make roster moves to accommodate our flawed coach?  Shouldn't he just fire the coach and bring in someone who can get through to the players?

Isn't the end result really the true measure of the coach and roster?  Brad has earned himself the benefit of the doubt to see how everything plays out.  Bad organizations make panic moves without seeing things through.

Many people are acting as if adversity should be non-existent.  It's one thing to be critical of the coach and players.  Things go too far when people make final conclusions after 30 games.  It's not like we have a precedent for this particular group.  We are literally in year one......

with criticism comes change and hopefully improvement..should we simply accept this performance so far.

[Green-18]

yeah they should have had a player's plus Brad only meeting. Brad is not doing a good job so far. His decision to start a player coming back from injury was HORRIBLE

He does not know how to call timeouts.

He definitely is not using Williams correctly. Williams needs to play more plain and simple. It is the coaches job to get him on the court. Other teams find a way to get their rookies on the court, and they excel.

If there are too much chiefs on this team then it is time for Ainge to package some chiefs for hungry role players.

This is a marathon and not a sprint.  I don't think we can blame Brad AND argue that there are too many chiefs on the team.  If Brad is the reason that the players cannot mesh together then why would Danny make roster moves to accommodate our flawed coach?  Shouldn't he just fire the coach and bring in someone who can get through to the players?

Isn't the end result really the true measure of the coach and roster?  Brad has earned himself the benefit of the doubt to see how everything plays out.  Bad organizations make panic moves without seeing things through.

Many people are acting as if adversity should be non-existent.  It's one thing to be critical of the coach and players.  Things go too far when people make final conclusions after 30 games.  It's not like we have a precedent for this particular group.  We are literally in year one......

with criticism comes change and hopefully improvement..should we simply accept this performance so far.

Criticism and second guessing is absolutely acceptable.  It just feels like everyone is jumping off a bridge and making final conclusions.  Brad isn't getting the desired results thus far, but maybe it's just going to take some more time with this particular group.  We need to acknowledge that some of the young guys are being asked to adapt to a unique situation.  I firmly believe that this group would have faced chemistry issues regardless of the coach.

I would be more concerned if there was in-fighting and finger pointing.  This doesn't appear to be the case thus far.  I will begin t

[Ogaju]

yeah they should have had a player's plus Brad only meeting. Brad is not doing a good job so far. His decision to start a player coming back from injury was HORRIBLE

He does not know how to call timeouts.

He definitely is not using Williams correctly. Williams needs to play more plain and simple. It is the coaches job to get him on the court. Other teams find a way to get their rookies on the court, and they excel.

If there are too much chiefs on this team then it is time for Ainge to package some chiefs for hungry role players.

This is a marathon and not a sprint.  I don't think we can blame Brad AND argue that there are too many chiefs on the team.  If Brad is the reason that the players cannot mesh together then why would Danny make roster moves to accommodate our flawed coach?  Shouldn't he just fire the coach and bring in someone who can get through to the players?

Isn't the end result really the true measure of the coach and roster?  Brad has earned himself the benefit of the doubt to see how everything plays out.  Bad organizations make panic moves without seeing things through.

Many people are acting as if adversity should be non-existent.  It's one thing to be critical of the coach and players.  Things go too far when people make final conclusions after 30 games.  It's not like we have a precedent for this particular group.  We are literally in year one......

with criticism comes change and hopefully improvement..should we simply accept this performance so far.

Criticism and second guessing is absolutely acceptable.  It just feels like everyone is jumping off a bridge and making final conclusions.  Brad isn't getting the desired results thus far, but maybe it's just going to take some more time with this particular group.  We need to acknowledge that some of the young guys are being asked to adapt to a unique situation.  I firmly believe that this group would have faced chemistry issues regardless of the coach.

I would be more concerned if there was in in-fighting and finger pointing.  This doesn't appear to be the case thus far.

When exactly should we start getting worried? By the way maybe some candor between the players is probably required at some point. At least it will show that they care about winning.

[Green-18]

yeah they should have had a player's plus Brad only meeting. Brad is not doing a good job so far. His decision to start a player coming back from injury was HORRIBLE

He does not know how to call timeouts.

He definitely is not using Williams correctly. Williams needs to play more plain and simple. It is the coaches job to get him on the court. Other teams find a way to get their rookies on the court, and they excel.

If there are too much chiefs on this team then it is time for Ainge to package some chiefs for hungry role players.

This is a marathon and not a sprint.  I don't think we can blame Brad AND argue that there are too many chiefs on the team.  If Brad is the reason that the players cannot mesh together then why would Danny make roster moves to accommodate our flawed coach?  Shouldn't he just fire the coach and bring in someone who can get through to the players?

Isn't the end result really the true measure of the coach and roster?  Brad has earned himself the benefit of the doubt to see how everything plays out.  Bad organizations make panic moves without seeing things through.

Many people are acting as if adversity should be non-existent.  It's one thing to be critical of the coach and players.  Things go too far when people make final conclusions after 30 games.  It's not like we have a precedent for this particular group.  We are literally in year one......

with criticism comes change and hopefully improvement..should we simply accept this performance so far.

Criticism and second guessing is absolutely acceptable.  It just feels like everyone is jumping off a bridge and making final conclusions.  Brad isn't getting the desired results thus far, but maybe it's just going to take some more time with this particular group.  We need to acknowledge that some of the young guys are being asked to adapt to a unique situation.  I firmly believe that this group would have faced chemistry issues regardless of the coach.

I would be more concerned if there was in in-fighting and finger pointing.  This doesn't appear to be the case thus far.

When exactly should we start getting worried? By the way maybe some candor between the players is probably required at some point. At least it will show that they care about winning.

I don't believe there's a specific date barring an absolute collapse.  Realistically I am going to withhold judgement until I see a healthy version of this team play for an extended stretch.  I think they were beginning to get on track prior to the recent injury bug.

As for the players caring, I believe they all want to win.  I think we tend to mistake tentativeness and a lack of confidence with a lack of passion.  Marcus Morris mentioned that the young guys were getting down on themselves earlier this season.  These same problems look to be resurfacing.

[wiley]

The Celtics should get blown out against a team like the Bucks with neither Horford or Baynes in the lineup....include Morris and it just gets worse.  Not sure why there is a crisis in confidence going on...

I will say I'd rather see Tatum play like last year:  3 and D (great D) and the occasional surprise drive to the hoop.  Less dancing to "free" himself for a two pointer when he's tall enough to shoot it without the dance...

Brown:  3 and D and driving...plays better with big minutes...definitely an issue this year, a trade would help him more than anyone, though Rozier would also benefit from bigger minutes via trade

In any case, a trade is unlikely and we have to see if Brown and Rozier can eventually perform with fewer minutes. 

But don't expect many wins with top 3 bigs out of the lineup

[Chris22]

Williams and Brown should of started instead of Ojeleye and Hayward.

I don't know why we play Ojeleye at all. He isn't very good.

[Bobshot]

Williams and Brown should of started instead of Ojeleye and Hayward.

I don't know why we play Ojeleye at all. He isn't very good.

Agree with this. The problem is Stevens. He made the mistake of playing the money at the start of the season instead of the guys who got them to the east finals. And it took him too long to bring Hayward off the bench. Now he's ignoring that kid Williams, who is the only guy who can defend the rim against bigs like Giannis, Drummond and Ayton. He's made that mistake 3 games now, and 3 losses. Further, we have a local media which is unwilling to admit the emperor is wearing no clothes.

Now I know that Stevens is great with x's and o's. But I also know he screwed up the 7th game at home in the finals they should have won, with his 3P excessiveness. They have guys shooting the 3 who shouldn't be, and when they're cold, they're useless. It's a bad habit. And it makes the team look terrible at times when they get lazy and overdo it.

Ainge has a real dilemma. One thing he should not do is trade his young talent who are champing at the bit right now. What he should do is educate his hot shot coach a bit about the NBA, and coaching in the NBA. The other thing he should do is trade Hayward for a rebounder.

[Ogaju]

Williams and Brown should of started instead of Ojeleye and Hayward.

I don't know why we play Ojeleye at all. He isn't very good.

Agree with this. The problem is Stevens. He made the mistake of playing the money at the start of the season instead of the guys who got them to the east finals. And it took him too long to bring Hayward off the bench. Now he's ignoring that kid Williams, who is the only guy who can defend the rim against bigs like Giannis, Drummond and Ayton. He's made that mistake 3 games now, and 3 losses. Further, we have a local media which is unwilling to admit the emperor is wearing no clothes.

Now I know that Stevens is great with x's and o's. But I also know he screwed up the 7th game at home in the finals they should have won, with his 3P excessiveness. They have guys shooting the 3 who shouldn't be, and when they're cold, they're useless. It's a bad habit. And it makes the team look terrible at times when they get lazy and overdo it.

Ainge has a real dilemma. One thing he should not do is trade his young talent who are champing at the bit right now. What he should do is educate his hot shot coach a bit about the NBA, and coaching in the NBA. The other thing he should do is trade Hayward for a rebounder.

nobody is trading value for Hayward until he starts playing better.

[TheReaLPuba]

We haven't played any good teams in a long time.

Bucks are on another level and have been playing together for several years. Plus they have THE BEST player in the EAST.

Of course we should have seen a better EFFORT by the C's but this team is kind of confused in it's own identity and I think it's a player makeup problem.

Too much Vets vs. Youth and not enough Celtics vs. World.

[Rosco917]

Too many injuries to judge the team right now. Morris, Horford, Baynes...three key bigs.

[apc]

Too many injuries to judge the team right now. Morris, Horford, Baynes...three key bigs.

I was more worried with the early season struggles than I am now with all the injuries.

[csfansince60s]

Too many injuries to judge the team right now. Morris, Horford, Baynes...three key bigs.

Exactly, which is why Williams should be force fed minutes rather than Semi.