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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2018, 01:39:57 PM »

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Are these actually interesting comments? I don't think anything he said changes anything or gives us any kind of insight we didn't have before.
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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2018, 02:07:22 PM »

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resigning Morris is far more important than Rozier.

I agree.  It's harder to replace what Morris brings.

I think it’s a tougher decision with Morris. Morris is pushing 30 and just last playoffs seemed to mostly disappear.  He is off to a great start shooting wise this year, but I don’t know if it’s sustainable for him.  He is shooting 43% from 3, and has not come close to that before in his career.

Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2018, 02:23:14 PM »

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Terry is a good guy off the bench but as a starter, he's years off. IMO Terry makes nobody better. He needs a young team that he can grow with. He's a good kid looking out for his and his families future. I wish him the best.

Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
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resigning Morris is far more important than Rozier.

I agree.  It's harder to replace what Morris brings.

I think it’s a tougher decision with Morris. Morris is pushing 30 and just last playoffs seemed to mostly disappear.  He is off to a great start shooting wise this year, but I don’t know if it’s sustainable for him.  He is shooting 43% from 3, and has not come close to that before in his career.

Bring his twin brother in, that'll give 'em motivation.


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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2018, 02:28:16 PM »

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Nothing against Kyrie, but I'd like to see TR with the starters for a few games and see if he is not the person we would rather keep over Kyrie.  TR led this team to the ECF last year while Kyrie was out.  It seems as though the team responded to him.  Who knows???

Yeah ummmm..... How is not that an insult to Kyrie?

Let's see here...

25 year old All-Star point guard who consistently averages 22 PPG, 5.3 APG, and 3.5 RPG should be replaced by a PG who had the hot hand in the playoffs, but has shown absolutely literally NOTHING at all this year...

The people on this board seriously amaze me sometimes... It's like they think NBA works out like NBA 2K with Rookie settings...

Also it wasn't just Terry Rozier who led us... Horford, and Tatum, and especially Brown who came back early from his serious injury helped the team greatly.

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Getting back on topic, I love Rozier, but let's be honest.

He has just flat out sucked this year, and being too selfish/trigger happy. That is just not professional, and until Rozier is willing to make sacrifices to prove his worth to the league, I think he's still better off the bench. Sure, he could start as a PG, but realistically what would team would need him?

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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2018, 03:07:45 PM »

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Nothing against Kyrie, but I'd like to see TR with the starters for a few games and see if he is not the person we would rather keep over Kyrie.  TR led this team to the ECF last year while Kyrie was out.  It seems as though the team responded to him.  Who knows???

Yeah ummmm..... How is not that an insult to Kyrie?

Let's see here...

25 year old All-Star point guard who consistently averages 22 PPG, 5.3 APG, and 3.5 RPG should be replaced by a PG who had the hot hand in the playoffs, but has shown absolutely literally NOTHING at all this year...

The people on this board seriously amaze me sometimes... It's like they think NBA works out like NBA 2K with Rookie settings...

Also it wasn't just Terry Rozier who led us... Horford, and Tatum, and especially Brown who came back early from his serious injury helped the team greatly.

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Getting back on topic, I love Rozier, but let's be honest.

He has just flat out sucked this year, and being too selfish/trigger happy. That is just not professional, and until Rozier is willing to make sacrifices to prove his worth to the league, I think he's still better off the bench. Sure, he could start as a PG, but realistically what would team would need him?

I do think Rozier had more than a “hot hand” in the playoffs, as it was a long run and he was pretty good to finish out the regular season.

That said, he’s been pretty garbage for the most part and he’s clearly the one most disgruntled with the new structure, so if he needs to be moved, so be it. There’s no real incentive to play smart behind Kyrie. It won’t raise his value, it’ll just keep him on this team as a backup. He wasn’t to start for a lottery team? Fine. He will soon enough.
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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2018, 10:14:48 PM »

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Nothing against Kyrie, but I'd like to see TR with the starters for a few games and see if he is not the person we would rather keep over Kyrie.  TR led this team to the ECF last year while Kyrie was out.  It seems as though the team responded to him.  Who knows???

Yeah ummmm..... How is not that an insult to Kyrie?

Let's see here...

25 year old All-Star point guard who consistently averages 22 PPG, 5.3 APG, and 3.5 RPG should be replaced by a PG who had the hot hand in the playoffs, but has shown absolutely literally NOTHING at all this year...

The people on this board seriously amaze me sometimes... It's like they think NBA works out like NBA 2K with Rookie settings...

Also it wasn't just Terry Rozier who led us... Horford, and Tatum, and especially Brown who came back early from his serious injury helped the team greatly.

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Getting back on topic, I love Rozier, but let's be honest.

He has just flat out sucked this year, and being too selfish/trigger happy. That is just not professional, and until Rozier is willing to make sacrifices to prove his worth to the league, I think he's still better off the bench. Sure, he could start as a PG, but realistically what would team would need him?

I do think Rozier had more than a “hot hand” in the playoffs, as it was a long run and he was pretty good to finish out the regular season.

That said, he’s been pretty garbage for the most part and he’s clearly the one most disgruntled with the new structure, so if he needs to be moved, so be it. There’s no real incentive to play smart behind Kyrie. It won’t raise his value, it’ll just keep him on this team as a backup. He wasn’t to start for a lottery team? Fine. He will soon enough.

Am I the only one who thinks Rozier's run at the end of the season and into the playoffs last year has been really overrated? He shot well from 3 but only 40% in the playoffs and worse than that to close out the regular season without Kyrie. And it's not like he was carrying the offense, he was averaging 15-16 ppg. And the team struggled mightily until Marcus Smart came back to help Horford run the offense because Rozier couldn't handle it.

He was good, had some nice games, hit some clutch shots, and the Celtics couldn't have made it to the Conference Finals (or out of the first round) without him, but people talk about him like he's shown flashes of all star potential but I've never seen it.
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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2018, 02:03:08 AM »

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Nothing against Kyrie, but I'd like to see TR with the starters for a few games and see if he is not the person we would rather keep over Kyrie.  TR led this team to the ECF last year while Kyrie was out.  It seems as though the team responded to him.  Who knows???

Yeah ummmm..... How is not that an insult to Kyrie?

Let's see here...

25 year old All-Star point guard who consistently averages 22 PPG, 5.3 APG, and 3.5 RPG should be replaced by a PG who had the hot hand in the playoffs, but has shown absolutely literally NOTHING at all this year...

The people on this board seriously amaze me sometimes... It's like they think NBA works out like NBA 2K with Rookie settings...

Also it wasn't just Terry Rozier who led us... Horford, and Tatum, and especially Brown who came back early from his serious injury helped the team greatly.

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Getting back on topic, I love Rozier, but let's be honest.

He has just flat out sucked this year, and being too selfish/trigger happy. That is just not professional, and until Rozier is willing to make sacrifices to prove his worth to the league, I think he's still better off the bench. Sure, he could start as a PG, but realistically what would team would need him?

I do think Rozier had more than a “hot hand” in the playoffs, as it was a long run and he was pretty good to finish out the regular season.

That said, he’s been pretty garbage for the most part and he’s clearly the one most disgruntled with the new structure, so if he needs to be moved, so be it. There’s no real incentive to play smart behind Kyrie. It won’t raise his value, it’ll just keep him on this team as a backup. He wasn’t to start for a lottery team? Fine. He will soon enough.

Am I the only one who thinks Rozier's run at the end of the season and into the playoffs last year has been really overrated? He shot well from 3 but only 40% in the playoffs and worse than that to close out the regular season without Kyrie. And it's not like he was carrying the offense, he was averaging 15-16 ppg. And the team struggled mightily until Marcus Smart came back to help Horford run the offense because Rozier couldn't handle it.

He was good, had some nice games, hit some clutch shots, and the Celtics couldn't have made it to the Conference Finals (or out of the first round) without him, but people talk about him like he's shown flashes of all star potential but I've never seen it.

I haven’t seen on here anyone (and haven’t myself) claim he was Westbrook or at an all-star level, but he was actually pretty good. Yeah his FG% was bad, but his 3P% and FT% were good. Having a 4:1 A/T means he was doing pretty well with the rock. His raw numbers of 16/6/5 over nearly a half-seasons worth of starts is definitely starter-worthy. His NetRtg, +/-, and WS/48 all show he was a quality starter.

I think there’s no denying he looked liked he belonged and if that happened during his contract year, some team would’ve bit and gave him a decent contract. The fact that it happened when it did and he has been relegated back to his reserve role is clearly something he’s not comfortable with.
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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2018, 05:00:07 PM »

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Nothing against Kyrie, but I'd like to see TR with the starters for a few games and see if he is not the person we would rather keep over Kyrie.  TR led this team to the ECF last year while Kyrie was out.  It seems as though the team responded to him.  Who knows???

Yeah ummmm..... How is not that an insult to Kyrie?

Let's see here...

25 year old All-Star point guard who consistently averages 22 PPG, 5.3 APG, and 3.5 RPG should be replaced by a PG who had the hot hand in the playoffs, but has shown absolutely literally NOTHING at all this year...

The people on this board seriously amaze me sometimes... It's like they think NBA works out like NBA 2K with Rookie settings...

Also it wasn't just Terry Rozier who led us... Horford, and Tatum, and especially Brown who came back early from his serious injury helped the team greatly.

__


Getting back on topic, I love Rozier, but let's be honest.

He has just flat out sucked this year, and being too selfish/trigger happy. That is just not professional, and until Rozier is willing to make sacrifices to prove his worth to the league, I think he's still better off the bench. Sure, he could start as a PG, but realistically what would team would need him?

I do think Rozier had more than a “hot hand” in the playoffs, as it was a long run and he was pretty good to finish out the regular season.

That said, he’s been pretty garbage for the most part and he’s clearly the one most disgruntled with the new structure, so if he needs to be moved, so be it. There’s no real incentive to play smart behind Kyrie. It won’t raise his value, it’ll just keep him on this team as a backup. He wasn’t to start for a lottery team? Fine. He will soon enough.

Am I the only one who thinks Rozier's run at the end of the season and into the playoffs last year has been really overrated? He shot well from 3 but only 40% in the playoffs and worse than that to close out the regular season without Kyrie. And it's not like he was carrying the offense, he was averaging 15-16 ppg. And the team struggled mightily until Marcus Smart came back to help Horford run the offense because Rozier couldn't handle it.

He was good, had some nice games, hit some clutch shots, and the Celtics couldn't have made it to the Conference Finals (or out of the first round) without him, but people talk about him like he's shown flashes of all star potential but I've never seen it.

I haven’t seen on here anyone (and haven’t myself) claim he was Westbrook or at an all-star level, but he was actually pretty good. Yeah his FG% was bad, but his 3P% and FT% were good. Having a 4:1 A/T means he was doing pretty well with the rock. His raw numbers of 16/6/5 over nearly a half-seasons worth of starts is definitely starter-worthy. His NetRtg, +/-, and WS/48 all show he was a quality starter.

I think there’s no denying he looked liked he belonged and if that happened during his contract year, some team would’ve bit and gave him a decent contract. The fact that it happened when it did and he has been relegated back to his reserve role is clearly something he’s not comfortable with.

I've seen multiple posts suggesting the Celtics should consider keeping Rozier over Kyrie.
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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2018, 05:05:25 PM »

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Nothing against Kyrie, but I'd like to see TR with the starters for a few games and see if he is not the person we would rather keep over Kyrie.  TR led this team to the ECF last year while Kyrie was out.  It seems as though the team responded to him.  Who knows???

Yeah ummmm..... How is not that an insult to Kyrie?

Let's see here...

25 year old All-Star point guard who consistently averages 22 PPG, 5.3 APG, and 3.5 RPG should be replaced by a PG who had the hot hand in the playoffs, but has shown absolutely literally NOTHING at all this year...

The people on this board seriously amaze me sometimes... It's like they think NBA works out like NBA 2K with Rookie settings...

Also it wasn't just Terry Rozier who led us... Horford, and Tatum, and especially Brown who came back early from his serious injury helped the team greatly.

__


Getting back on topic, I love Rozier, but let's be honest.

He has just flat out sucked this year, and being too selfish/trigger happy. That is just not professional, and until Rozier is willing to make sacrifices to prove his worth to the league, I think he's still better off the bench. Sure, he could start as a PG, but realistically what would team would need him?

I do think Rozier had more than a “hot hand” in the playoffs, as it was a long run and he was pretty good to finish out the regular season.

That said, he’s been pretty garbage for the most part and he’s clearly the one most disgruntled with the new structure, so if he needs to be moved, so be it. There’s no real incentive to play smart behind Kyrie. It won’t raise his value, it’ll just keep him on this team as a backup. He wasn’t to start for a lottery team? Fine. He will soon enough.

Am I the only one who thinks Rozier's run at the end of the season and into the playoffs last year has been really overrated? He shot well from 3 but only 40% in the playoffs and worse than that to close out the regular season without Kyrie. And it's not like he was carrying the offense, he was averaging 15-16 ppg. And the team struggled mightily until Marcus Smart came back to help Horford run the offense because Rozier couldn't handle it.

He was good, had some nice games, hit some clutch shots, and the Celtics couldn't have made it to the Conference Finals (or out of the first round) without him, but people talk about him like he's shown flashes of all star potential but I've never seen it.

I haven’t seen on here anyone (and haven’t myself) claim he was Westbrook or at an all-star level, but he was actually pretty good. Yeah his FG% was bad, but his 3P% and FT% were good. Having a 4:1 A/T means he was doing pretty well with the rock. His raw numbers of 16/6/5 over nearly a half-seasons worth of starts is definitely starter-worthy. His NetRtg, +/-, and WS/48 all show he was a quality starter.

I think there’s no denying he looked liked he belonged and if that happened during his contract year, some team would’ve bit and gave him a decent contract. The fact that it happened when it did and he has been relegated back to his reserve role is clearly something he’s not comfortable with.

I've seen multiple posts suggesting the Celtics should consider keeping Rozier over Kyrie.
Those are mostly based on trading Kyrie for value though.  I mean if you could trade Kyrie for a star or some super high level assets, then you could see a scenario where that might make some sense.  If they are both on the team this summer, I really can't imagine anyone advocating for Rozier over Irving even given the salary considerations. 
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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2018, 08:01:59 PM »

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Nothing against Kyrie, but I'd like to see TR with the starters for a few games and see if he is not the person we would rather keep over Kyrie.  TR led this team to the ECF last year while Kyrie was out.  It seems as though the team responded to him.  Who knows???

Yeah ummmm..... How is not that an insult to Kyrie?

Let's see here...

25 year old All-Star point guard who consistently averages 22 PPG, 5.3 APG, and 3.5 RPG should be replaced by a PG who had the hot hand in the playoffs, but has shown absolutely literally NOTHING at all this year...

The people on this board seriously amaze me sometimes... It's like they think NBA works out like NBA 2K with Rookie settings...

Also it wasn't just Terry Rozier who led us... Horford, and Tatum, and especially Brown who came back early from his serious injury helped the team greatly.

__


Getting back on topic, I love Rozier, but let's be honest.

He has just flat out sucked this year, and being too selfish/trigger happy. That is just not professional, and until Rozier is willing to make sacrifices to prove his worth to the league, I think he's still better off the bench. Sure, he could start as a PG, but realistically what would team would need him?

I do think Rozier had more than a “hot hand” in the playoffs, as it was a long run and he was pretty good to finish out the regular season.

That said, he’s been pretty garbage for the most part and he’s clearly the one most disgruntled with the new structure, so if he needs to be moved, so be it. There’s no real incentive to play smart behind Kyrie. It won’t raise his value, it’ll just keep him on this team as a backup. He wasn’t to start for a lottery team? Fine. He will soon enough.

Am I the only one who thinks Rozier's run at the end of the season and into the playoffs last year has been really overrated? He shot well from 3 but only 40% in the playoffs and worse than that to close out the regular season without Kyrie. And it's not like he was carrying the offense, he was averaging 15-16 ppg. And the team struggled mightily until Marcus Smart came back to help Horford run the offense because Rozier couldn't handle it.

He was good, had some nice games, hit some clutch shots, and the Celtics couldn't have made it to the Conference Finals (or out of the first round) without him, but people talk about him like he's shown flashes of all star potential but I've never seen it.

I haven’t seen on here anyone (and haven’t myself) claim he was Westbrook or at an all-star level, but he was actually pretty good. Yeah his FG% was bad, but his 3P% and FT% were good. Having a 4:1 A/T means he was doing pretty well with the rock. His raw numbers of 16/6/5 over nearly a half-seasons worth of starts is definitely starter-worthy. His NetRtg, +/-, and WS/48 all show he was a quality starter.

I think there’s no denying he looked liked he belonged and if that happened during his contract year, some team would’ve bit and gave him a decent contract. The fact that it happened when it did and he has been relegated back to his reserve role is clearly something he’s not comfortable with.

I admittedly don't have numbers in front of me, but it was pretty clear that his performances at home and on the road in the playoffs were different. He was phenomenal at home for the most part (besides Game 7 ECF, ugh), but was mediocre in all the road games except 1.
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Re: Terry Rozier on free agency: 'I still want to keep my options open'
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2018, 09:09:51 AM »

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I mean, looking at last years postseason as a total, Terry averaged 16.5PPG on 40% field goal percentage and 34.7%  3 point percentage.

not bad numbers for a starter. But theres a big difference between those numbers and what Kyrie is giving you which currently is 22.3 PPG on 48% shooting and 39% from 3.