Honeymoon is over for Brad Stevens

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He did great when he had less talent. Now he has talent and he can’t seem to manage it correctly. This is the first year his team went in as the odds on favorite to get to the finals in the East. After 20 games this team has been a mess. His rotation with Rozier, Baynes, Smart, Tatum and Semi was terrible and that’s when the Mavs started to get momentum. It’s the same rotation that he used early second quarter with the same results. Then he goes back to it in the third?? Going to be interesting to see if Brad is up coaching when expectations are high. So far he gets an F.

[GreenWarrior]

He did great when he had less talent. Now he has talent and he can’t seem to manage it correctly. This is the first year his team went in as the odds on favorite to get to the finals in the East. After 20 games this team has been a mess. His rotation with Rozier, Baynes, Smart, Tatum and Semi was terrible and that’s when the Mavs started to get momentum. It’s the same rotation that he used early second quarter with the same results. Then he goes back to it in the third?? Going to be interesting to see if Brad is up coaching when expectations are high. So far he gets an F.

this is absolutely all on brad stevens. all he had to do is bring these guys together, that's what makes a great NBA coach.

[CelticsElite]

This has little to do with brad Stevens. Look he isn’t perfect but he is not the core reason of our problem. Go look up what he said during training camp. “Our defense is bad we need work.” He didn’t even say it was ok. He didn’t mince words. He detected a big problem early in training camp. It’s his job to address the problem but the players have to do their part.

He wasn’t happy and basically could see where the arrow was pointed with this team. He wasn’t blinded by the talent. His initial detection and judgement from training camp was 100% spot on, meaning he’s a great coach. Most other coaches would have probably not see this type of problem so early before preseason games 

[jpotter33]

This has little to do with brad Stevens. Look he isn’t perfect but he is not the core reason of our problem. Go look up what he said during training camp. “Our defense is bad we need work.” He didn’t even say it was ok. He didn’t mince words. He detected a big problem early in training camp. It’s his job to address the problem but the players have to do their part.

He wasn’t happy and basically could see where the arrow was pointed with this team. He wasn’t blinded by the talent. His initial detection and judgement from training camp was 100% spot on, meaning he’s a great coach. Most other coaches would have probably not see this type of problem so early before preseason games

So what you're saying is that he saw a problem early in the season, hasn't been able to do anything about it, but it's not his fault?

This is absolutely largely on Brad and the rest of the coaching staff, because this all very likely stems from the chemistry and pscyhological issues amongst the players that they simply haven't done anything to effectively address, which is one of their primary roles as coaches.

He's not managing his talent at all, and I'm convinced at this point that he just doesn't have those skills to manage talent of this magnitude, largely because he doesn't have the temperament or character to. He's as good as it gets at maximizing talent, but at this level that's not enough when you actually have the talent to work with.

The OP is right - the honeymoon is over. Right now he's wasting the most talent we've had in a decade, and if he doesn't get it right soon he absolutely will be on the hot seat.

[SHAQATTACK]

This has little to do with brad Stevens. Look he isn’t perfect but he is not the core reason of our problem. Go look up what he said during training camp. “Our defense is bad we need work.” He didn’t even say it was ok. He didn’t mince words. He detected a big problem early in training camp. It’s his job to address the problem but the players have to do their part.

He wasn’t happy and basically could see where the arrow was pointed with this team. He wasn’t blinded by the talent. His initial detection and judgement from training camp was 100% spot on, meaning he’s a great coach. Most other coaches would have probably not see this type of problem so early before preseason games

So what you're saying is that he saw a problem early in the season, hasn't been able to do anything about it, but it's not his fault?

This is absolutely largely on Brad and the rest of the coaching staff, because this all very likely stems from the chemistry and pscyhological issues amongst the players that they simply haven't done anything to effectively address, which is one of their primary roles as coaches.

He's not managing his talent at all, and I'm convinced at this point that he just doesn't have those skills to manage talent of this magnitude, largely because he doesn't have the temperament or character to. He's as good as it gets at maximizing talent, but at this level that's not enough when you actually have the talent to work with.

The OP is right - the honeymoon is over. Right now he's wasting the most talent we've had in a decade, and if he doesn't get it right soon he absolutely will be on the hot seat.

tend to agree with most of this .

the ball is in CBS and DA s court now ....there has been enough games to say something is really wrong with this team.,  maybe alot of issues .

[gpap]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

[satch]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

Don't know about honeymoon but that is an interesting observation...

[Somebody]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

We have a shooting guard in Jaylen who's underutilized and three big men in Baynes, Theis and Williams who all have different skillsets and can be used to hold down the position by committee. Sure it's not ideal but you'd expect Brad Stevens, one of the brightest minds in the NBA to make it work with his ideology of positionless basketball.

[CelticsElite]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

most contenders have the same structured team

Lakers were playing Lebron at center until they got chandler

[gpap]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

We have a shooting guard in Jaylen who's underutilized and three big men in Baynes, Theis and Williams who all have different skillsets and can be used to hold down the position by committee. Sure it's not ideal but you'd expect Brad Stevens, one of the brightest minds in the NBA to make it work with his ideology of positionless basketball.

I just don't think Jaylen Brown is a shooting guard. I think he's anything but.

He's a small forward who relies alot on his athleticism but doesn't have a consistent jump shot, not a great free throw shooter and still doesn't have a great feel for the game.

Played well tonight, but it didn't really matter.

[blink]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

We have a shooting guard in Jaylen who's underutilized and three big men in Baynes, Theis and Williams who all have different skillsets and can be used to hold down the position by committee. Sure it's not ideal but you'd expect Brad Stevens, one of the brightest minds in the NBA to make it work with his ideology of positionless basketball.

yeah I agree, our shooting guard tonight had 16 points / 5 rebounds, shot 78% from the field on 9 shots and played good def on Doncic when we was guarding him. 

With KI being pretty ball dominant and Tatum, Horford, Morris all taking 10-15 shots, what else is another SG going to do better than Jaylen with our lineup?

[Somebody]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

We have a shooting guard in Jaylen who's underutilized and three big men in Baynes, Theis and Williams who all have different skillsets and can be used to hold down the position by committee. Sure it's not ideal but you'd expect Brad Stevens, one of the brightest minds in the NBA to make it work with his ideology of positionless basketball.

yeah I agree, our shooting guard tonight had 16 points / 5 rebounds, shot 78% from the field on 9 shots and played good def on Doncic when we was guarding him. 

With KI being pretty ball dominant and Tatum, Horford, Morris all taking 10-15 shots, what else is another SG going to do better than Jaylen with our lineup?

^this. People act like they've never seen big SGs in their life (eg. Klay, Middleton, etc.)

[blink]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

We have a shooting guard in Jaylen who's underutilized and three big men in Baynes, Theis and Williams who all have different skillsets and can be used to hold down the position by committee. Sure it's not ideal but you'd expect Brad Stevens, one of the brightest minds in the NBA to make it work with his ideology of positionless basketball.

I just don't think Jaylen Brown is a shooting guard. I think he's anything but.

He's a small forward who relies alot on his athleticism but doesn't have a consistent jump shot, not a great free throw shooter and still doesn't have a great feel for the game.

Played well tonight, but it didn't really matter.

Over a much bigger sample size (last year) he is hardly someone without a consistent jump shot.  He was nearly 40% from 3 last year.  But lets ignore all that because of a shooting slump to start the season.

[KGBirdBias]

We don't have enough Marcus Smarts. Not enough dogs...too many finesse players.

[Somebody]

Honeymoon is also over for Ainge. He assembled a mis-matched roster.

80% of our team plays the same position.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Morris are all small forwards who are either starters or play a large amount of minutes.

We have no shooting guard and 2 centers that are okay, but not great.

We need a shooting guard, a better center and less wing players.

This position-less basketball is starting to get ridiculous.

We have a shooting guard in Jaylen who's underutilized and three big men in Baynes, Theis and Williams who all have different skillsets and can be used to hold down the position by committee. Sure it's not ideal but you'd expect Brad Stevens, one of the brightest minds in the NBA to make it work with his ideology of positionless basketball.

I just don't think Jaylen Brown is a shooting guard. I think he's anything but.

He's a small forward who relies alot on his athleticism but doesn't have a consistent jump shot, not a great free throw shooter and still doesn't have a great feel for the game.

Played well tonight, but it didn't really matter.

His jumpshot seems consistent enough to me, with averages of nearly 40% in the RS and playoffs last season. Seems like the offensive schemes suck more than his jumpshot being wack. And what's wrong with an SG relying on his athleticism? I'll give you the FTs and feel for the game but I think he'll gradually improve on that, he's still quite young and hasn't shown a bad career trajectory in terms of progression.