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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2018, 01:47:24 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall


Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2018, 01:49:36 PM »

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Brown, Rozier, and a pick for Beal. A man can dream, right?

Hopefully it's just you and Washington fans dreaming that  :P
idk... money aside this is a deal I would consider.

Yeah I gotta say I would consider this too if it wasn't the Sacto pick in the deal.  I wouldn't want to deal Brown right now at this moment, his value couldn't be lower, but Beal is a weapon.

Other than D and driving, Beal's pretty much got JB beat, and he's still young with upside:

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Beal at age 20 put up 17-3.7-3.3 with 1 steal on 42-40-78% splits, on 51% TS% with 4 WS.

Beal at age 23 put up 23-3-3.5 on 48-40-82% splits, at 60% TS% with 8.5 WS (!); at 24 his counting stat averages for assists + rebounds rose to 4.5 each with maintained scoring. 

JB was a rookie at 20; at 21, he put up 14.5-5-1.6 with 1 steal on 46-40-65% splits with 56% TS% + 4.5 WS.  In the playoffs, 18-5-1.4 with .8 steals on 47-39-64% splits, 56% TS%.

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Progress-wise, Beal made the leap at age 23, and his seasons at 20 + 22 were pretty similar.  That is, he was very ahead of the curve even for a top prospect as a teen / 20 year old, then he increased his scoring but kinda plateaued for 2 years.  At 23 he went off, but he also had 3 seasons with 2.4+ Def WS by age 24 (for reference, JB killed it last year with 3.2).

So Beal is a deadly spot up shooter who can get you 20-25 a game with a usage rate in the mid 20s.  For reference, in the playoffs last year JB got us 18 a game on 56% TS% with a 24.6 usage rate.  Beal at 23 got 23 a game on 60% TS% with a 26.5% usage rate.  He can man a corner and be deadly and space the floor, he can create with the ball, is a capable passer, a solid rebounder and a nice defender for a SG.  He may just be a better fit than JB to be an All Star caliber 3rd Guy with 2 all stars already in place (Kyrie, and either Tatum or Hayward); he reminds me of a shorter, more kinetic Klay Thompson with worse D (to fit the GSW model). 

The issue is JB can't get worse, so you might be overpaying for Beal.  The other thing is that Beal didn't grow much from 20 to 22 but emerged at age 23, and Jaylen is still only 22.  To do a deal and feel good, we'd have to believe that Jaylen won't make that type of leap.  I wouldn't want to be the one to make the decision, but I'd entertain JB+Terry+LAC pick + filler for Beal once we see some improvement from JB and our starting 5 logs more minutes. 

CONCLUSION: I think we don't know what we have yet with our guys, but I also think there's a good chance JB is never as good as Beal got by age 23, and may never be as good with a Big 2-3 in place as Beal would be now.  So I think you have to consider this when your top asset isn't at rock bottom value, because I don't think Rozier has much trade value, and IMO losing 1 of the LAC pick or a Boston pick in a deal for an All Star is fine.
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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2018, 01:54:36 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Give us this pick, Almighty Red
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As we forgive those who tanked against us
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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2018, 02:03:19 PM »

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Beal is a knockdown shooter we could need and is also a close friend of Tatum, it would make sense aside from salaries
If his salary could fit I'd definitely take Beal.  He's only 25 years old.

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2018, 02:05:27 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Smart is only at 11 million....I dont think it would be enough to match

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2018, 02:07:48 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Smart is only at 11 million....I dont think it would be enough to match

Beal is 25 million Brown, Smart and Yabu are like 19 million... Yeah, not enough.... You have to throw Morris in there...

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2018, 02:13:08 PM »

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I saw this on clutchpoints... Would be a good trade for both sides.... Scary...

The trade: Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and Michael Beasley for Bradley Beal of the Washington Wizards

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2018, 02:17:34 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Smart is only at 11 million....I dont think it would be enough to match

Beal is 25 million Brown, Smart and Yabu are like 19 million... Yeah, not enough.... You have to throw Morris in there...

Does it have to be Morris?  Cuz can't you be off by 10-20% in salary?  We couldn't include Morris or Rozier in there without decimating the team.  What about Wanamaker?  Theis?
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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2018, 02:23:41 PM »

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Brown, Rozier, and a pick for Beal. A man can dream, right?
that's no dream.  that's a nightmare overpayment.

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2018, 02:24:49 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Smart is only at 11 million....I dont think it would be enough to match

Beal is 25 million Brown, Smart and Yabu are like 19 million... Yeah, not enough.... You have to throw Morris in there...

Does it have to be Morris?  Cuz can't you be off by 10-20% in salary?  We couldn't include Morris or Rozier in there without decimating the team.  What about Wanamaker?  Theis?

Yeah it would work with Rozier and Theis thrown in but that's Brown,Smart, Rozier, Theis... Really thins out the squad...

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2018, 02:35:13 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Smart is only at 11 million....I dont think it would be enough to match

Beal is 25 million Brown, Smart and Yabu are like 19 million... Yeah, not enough.... You have to throw Morris in there...

Does it have to be Morris?  Cuz can't you be off by 10-20% in salary?  We couldn't include Morris or Rozier in there without decimating the team.  What about Wanamaker?  Theis?

We can be off by 25% plus $100k. 

I don't see why Morris and Rozier would need to be included in this.  I believe Brown/Smart/Yabu/either Ojeleye or Theis would get it done, purely from a salary cap standpoint.  Whether Washington could clear the roster space to take that package (and, of course, whether either team would have any interest in the deal) is a separate hurdle, though. 
« Last Edit: November 19, 2018, 02:43:35 PM by Atzar »

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2018, 02:51:41 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Smart is only at 11 million....I dont think it would be enough to match

Beal is 25 million Brown, Smart and Yabu are like 19 million... Yeah, not enough.... You have to throw Morris in there...

Does it have to be Morris?  Cuz can't you be off by 10-20% in salary?  We couldn't include Morris or Rozier in there without decimating the team.  What about Wanamaker?  Theis?

We can be off by 25% plus $100k. 

I don't see why Morris and Rozier would need to be included in this.  I believe Brown/Smart/Yabu/either Ojeleye or Theis would get it done, purely from a salary cap standpoint.  Whether Washington could clear the roster space to take that package (and, of course, whether either team would have any interest in the deal) is a separate hurdle, though.

Thats correct but thats a lot of players.......but the morris idea is interesting.

Morris, Smart, Brown for Beal and Jeff Green(to replace morris production?)

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7132077


Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2018, 03:06:54 PM »

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Like many others have said would be interested in Beal but impossible to match salaries.

Thoughts on these for other teams:
 1.Bucks trade: Bledsoe and DiVincenzo for Wall


2. Pistons trade Reggie Jackson and a 1st for Wall

When Smart is eligible to be traded at full salary value, a deal like this wouldn't work?

Brown
Smart
Yabu
Clippers pick

for Beal and maybe a little sweetener?

I'd rather deal Terry than Smart but I know Smart is the $15m piece we need to match salary.
Smart is only at 11 million....I dont think it would be enough to match

Beal is 25 million Brown, Smart and Yabu are like 19 million... Yeah, not enough.... You have to throw Morris in there...

Does it have to be Morris?  Cuz can't you be off by 10-20% in salary?  We couldn't include Morris or Rozier in there without decimating the team.  What about Wanamaker?  Theis?

We can be off by 25% plus $100k. 

I don't see why Morris and Rozier would need to be included in this.  I believe Brown/Smart/Yabu/either Ojeleye or Theis would get it done, purely from a salary cap standpoint.  Whether Washington could clear the roster space to take that package (and, of course, whether either team would have any interest in the deal) is a separate hurdle, though.

Yeah, I prefer Theis but he's gone after this year and RW3 should replace him.  Semi is pretty bad, but he's locked up for 2 more years after this one for dirt cheap, so I'd do either.

Brown (centerpiece)
Smart (positive asset and needed for salary matching)
Yabu (neutral asset, unproven player with upside)
Semi or Theis

for Beal, 2nd rounder.

I wouldn't want to include a pick since we're including Smart and not Rozier, but I still might.
Give us this pick, Almighty Red
And forgive us our tanking
As we forgive those who tanked against us
And lead us not into the lottery
But deliver us from losing

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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2018, 03:23:15 PM »

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No one has mentioned Dwight Howard?  He could be the 14 year vet that Kyrie is looking for.

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2018, 03:24:07 PM »

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I imagine the cost for Beal would be Jaylen, Smart, Rozier, Mook just to make salaries match.  That's too high for me.
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