Oh boy - Butler to 76ers?

[tazzmaniac]

Minnesota really screwed this up. couldve had 4 first round picks.

On the other end, The 76r's had to do something and got an all-star player. But on the other hand they have no 3 point shooting as of right now..

much less yeah.  Butler not horrible from three (i;m not sure)?  Embiid hits threes...Reddick and Chandler.  McConnel?  They really need Chandler to come back and be good after this trade.  And I think they are a bit thin up front..

I don't think anyone should count on chandler. Two of the last 4 seasons he has missed. I would be surprised if he stays healthy. On the plus for them they need him less with butler

2 of 4?  He missed the 15-16 season but he's played over 70 games in 3 of the last 4 seasons. 

[fairweatherfan]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

He's only played 27 career games for a reason too, and potential trade partners definitely aren't going to be glossing over it when they evaluate his value.

[tazzmaniac]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

Well, San Antonio reportedly didn't want him as the "primary piece" in a Kawhi package according to reports. I truthfully don't think Boston would swap Tatum for him right now (even with how Tatum's looked lately). Same with a Lakers and Ingram/Kuzma - Fultz swap.

Obviously he still has value and could get back something good, but definitely not as a #1 pick anymore. He probably isn't getting you a superstar I mean (unless Fultz is considered like the 3rd best guy in the trade package). He could have easily been in the Butler package via trade but frankly MIN really messed that whole thing up IMHO. Either that or MIN actually thought Saric+Covington > Fultz... which would be, wow...

Ainge probably wouldn't trade Tatum for fultz and two first rounders

Another thing I realized. The Process might officially be over now.

If they sign Butler to an extension (as has been reported), then I think that's basically their team going forward (barring another big trade though I imagine that trade would include one or two of their key pieces too). Don't think PHI would have cap space to sign another max-FA this summer (Butler is that guy). So yeah, the Process would be Fultz/Reddick/Butler/Simmons/Embiid, something to that extent. Extremely good, but Fultz is still the real wild card here.

They could get around 30%Max if they release Redick and trade Fultz without taking salary back.  Of course they'd be filling out the team with exceptions and vet minimum guys. 

[tazzmaniac]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

Well, San Antonio reportedly didn't want him as the "primary piece" in a Kawhi package according to reports. I truthfully don't think Boston would swap Tatum for him right now (even with how Tatum's looked lately). Same with a Lakers and Ingram/Kuzma - Fultz swap.

Obviously he still has value and could get back something good, but definitely not as a #1 pick anymore. He probably isn't getting you a superstar I mean (unless Fultz is considered like the 3rd best guy in the trade package). He could have easily been in the Butler package via trade but frankly MIN really messed that whole thing up IMHO. Either that or MIN actually thought Saric+Covington > Fultz... which would be, wow...

good post that raises a number of question. one of them, for me, is how exactly did the minnesota-philly talks proceed? was fultz ever a realistic part of the discussions? or did philly not put him on the trade table? or, did minnesota not want fultz as part of the package?

i would be curious to know all these.

I don't think Fultz was ever part of the package.  Don't think the Sixers wanted to give him up and think the TWolves preferred players that could contribute now. 

[Moranis]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

He's only played 27 career games for a reason too, and potential trade partners definitely aren't going to be glossing over it when they evaluate his value.

Sure he got hurt early last season, but came back and has played this season.  Injuries happen, it the chronic ones or the guys that are always hurt that are the red flags.  Fultz has game related red flags, but I don't think he has injury related ones.  I would expect a normal amount of games played this year i.e. 70+

[fairweatherfan]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

He's only played 27 career games for a reason too, and potential trade partners definitely aren't going to be glossing over it when they evaluate his value.

Sure he got hurt early last season, but came back and has played this season.  Injuries happen, it the chronic ones or the guys that are always hurt that are the red flags.  Fultz has game related red flags, but I don't think he has injury related ones.  I would expect a normal amount of games played this year i.e. 70+

I don't think most teams believe he missed so many games just because of a shoulder injury. I'm not sure if you believe it either. The kid showed no signs of being mentally ready to play in the league and apparently royally screwed up his shooting form to boot. Teams that might want him are gonna look at that and ask themselves what a worthwhile price is to bet $22 million over the next 2 years that he can get it together.

His value is probably pretty variable around the league but the yips +#1 pick salary + whatever the injury actually was means a lot of possible suitors will pass on giving up value for him.

[Who]

I think Fultz is worth around a mid-first (11-18 range).

Or a low level star on a dodgy contract (Harrison Barnes type).

[PhoSita]

Fultz needs to go a team that's willing to hand him the keys and just let him do nothing but attack the paint and figure out how to create for others out of the pick and roll. 

I wonder if there's a way for the Magic to work out a deal for him.  Trouble for the Sixers is there aren't many bad teams without a point guard prospect.

[MattyIce]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

Well, San Antonio reportedly didn't want him as the "primary piece" in a Kawhi package according to reports. I truthfully don't think Boston would swap Tatum for him right now (even with how Tatum's looked lately). Same with a Lakers and Ingram/Kuzma - Fultz swap.

Obviously he still has value and could get back something good, but definitely not as a #1 pick anymore. He probably isn't getting you a superstar I mean (unless Fultz is considered like the 3rd best guy in the trade package). He could have easily been in the Butler package via trade but frankly MIN really messed that whole thing up IMHO. Either that or MIN actually thought Saric+Covington > Fultz... which would be, wow...

good post that raises a number of question. one of them, for me, is how exactly did the minnesota-philly talks proceed? was fultz ever a realistic part of the discussions? or did philly not put him on the trade table? or, did minnesota not want fultz as part of the package?

i would be curious to know all these.

I don't think Fultz was ever part of the package.  Don't think the Sixers wanted to give him up and think the TWolves preferred players that could contribute now.

one of the more reputable sources (sorry i forget who, just that he is know as such) said that minny didnt want fultz as philly tried to include him over covington..(with more salary filler of course)

[fairweatherfan]

Fultz needs to go a team that's willing to hand him the keys and just let him do nothing but attack the paint and figure out how to create for others out of the pick and roll. 

I wonder if there's a way for the Magic to work out a deal for him.  Trouble for the Sixers is there aren't many bad teams without a point guard prospect.

The Suns but it feels like they'd want more of a pass-first guy, they already have a few young guys they want shooting the ball.

Wonder if the T-Wolves would want him if they decided this is a lost season and are down for another swap. Not sure who they give that the Sixers would want though. Dieng for Fultz and Muscala? Feels like a lot of salary for Philly to take on for a guy who doesn't fix their spacing.

[celticsclay]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

He's only played 27 career games for a reason too, and potential trade partners definitely aren't going to be glossing over it when they evaluate his value.

Sure he got hurt early last season, but came back and has played this season.  Injuries happen, it the chronic ones or the guys that are always hurt that are the red flags.  Fultz has game related red flags, but I don't think he has injury related ones.  I would expect a normal amount of games played this year i.e. 70+

For what it is worth his trainer tweeted he was currently playing hurt last week. The tweet was then deleted. Very low value for him imo and reports the wolves didn't want him

[Moranis]

I think Fultz is worth around a mid-first (11-18 range).

Or a low level star on a dodgy contract (Harrison Barnes type).

like Kevin Love.

[Moranis]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

He's only played 27 career games for a reason too, and potential trade partners definitely aren't going to be glossing over it when they evaluate his value.

Sure he got hurt early last season, but came back and has played this season.  Injuries happen, it the chronic ones or the guys that are always hurt that are the red flags.  Fultz has game related red flags, but I don't think he has injury related ones.  I would expect a normal amount of games played this year i.e. 70+

For what it is worth his trainer tweeted he was currently playing hurt last week. The tweet was then deleted. Very low value for him imo and reports the wolves didn't want him

I saw that report and it struck me much more as a "world renowned" trainer covering his backside when his prized pupil wasn't performing like said trainer claimed he would.  the couple of Sixers games I've seen and it doesn't appear at all to me that Fultz is hurt.  Not shooting well, but he has been a lot more aggressive the last couple of games (I think he was like 7 for 9 in the OT loss yesterday). 

[celticsclay]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

He's only played 27 career games for a reason too, and potential trade partners definitely aren't going to be glossing over it when they evaluate his value.

Sure he got hurt early last season, but came back and has played this season.  Injuries happen, it the chronic ones or the guys that are always hurt that are the red flags.  Fultz has game related red flags, but I don't think he has injury related ones.  I would expect a normal amount of games played this year i.e. 70+

For what it is worth his trainer tweeted he was currently playing hurt last week. The tweet was then deleted. Very low value for him imo and reports the wolves didn't want him

I saw that report and it struck me much more as a "world renowned" trainer covering his backside when his prized pupil wasn't performing like said trainer claimed he would.  the couple of Sixers games I've seen and it doesn't appear at all to me that Fultz is hurt.  Not shooting well, but he has been a lot more aggressive the last couple of games (I think he was like 7 for 9 in the OT loss yesterday).

His hitch is back in the free throws. Don't know if it is injury or mental, but he certainly doesn't look fine. Seems like the wolves felt the same way

[celticsclay]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Fultz's value.  He has played 27 career games and was the #1 pick for a reason.  Lots of teams would acquire Fultz without giving it a second thought.  He obviously isn't getting a top 5 pick at this point, but the Sixers could quite easily move him for value and pretty decent value I think.

He's only played 27 career games for a reason too, and potential trade partners definitely aren't going to be glossing over it when they evaluate his value.

Sure he got hurt early last season, but came back and has played this season.  Injuries happen, it the chronic ones or the guys that are always hurt that are the red flags.  Fultz has game related red flags, but I don't think he has injury related ones.  I would expect a normal amount of games played this year i.e. 70+

For what it is worth his trainer tweeted he was currently playing hurt last week. The tweet was then deleted. Very low value for him imo and reports the wolves didn't want him

I saw that report and it struck me much more as a "world renowned" trainer covering his backside when his prized pupil wasn't performing like said trainer claimed he would.  the couple of Sixers games I've seen and it doesn't appear at all to me that Fultz is hurt.  Not shooting well, but he has been a lot more aggressive the last couple of games (I think he was like 7 for 9 in the OT loss yesterday).

Kevin love has been an all star many times and Barnes has never made one. That being said Kevin love is rapidly approaching damaged goods status. I wouldn't want his contract