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Re: Roziers realistic trade value
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2018, 12:20:58 PM »

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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.

Getting out of Bird's contract and trading Terry for a pick would take the C's down to 13 players.  Each team is required to have at least 14 players under contract (not counting 2 ways) - so C's would have to take on some more salary and thus still be over the luxury tax threshold - so more moves would be required Nick, but I like where you are headed with this.

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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2018, 01:58:13 PM »

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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.

Getting out of Bird's contract and trading Terry for a pick would take the C's down to 13 players.  Each team is required to have at least 14 players under contract (not counting 2 ways) - so C's would have to take on some more salary and thus still be over the luxury tax threshold - so more moves would be required Nick, but I like where you are headed with this.
Yeah, if they dropped Rozier and Bird and ended up with the cheapest minimum player that would put them like 500k into the tax.  Moving Yabu for another minimum guy and the team is out of the tax. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2018, 02:00:12 PM »

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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.

« Last Edit: November 09, 2018, 02:56:02 PM by Jvalin »

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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2018, 02:59:16 PM »

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Looks like Rozier will have his chance tonight. Kyrie is out.

Re: Roziers realistic trade value
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2018, 03:01:23 PM »

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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.

This  has actually been a trade that I have been spouting for the past few months. I have to think the influx of wings and forwards on that team has made Bridges expendable.

Rozier for Bridges with maybe a second rounder or late first round pick could work for both sides.

Allows Brown, Smart, and Bridges/Tatum to alternate at the 1-3 spots for occasional fill in minutes. Plus I think Bridges could play the small ball 4 next to Williams.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2018, 03:38:40 PM »

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Re: Roziers realistic trade value
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2018, 04:02:43 PM »

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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.

Sending out a useful rotation player who was a major contributor in the playoffs last year for a future pick to get under the cap doesn't really sound like an Ainge deal to me, unless the future pick is potentially really good.

I think given that the team hopes to contend this year I would expect that any Rozier trade would at minimum bring back a guy who could theoretically get some minutes off the bench in a playoff series, even if it's just as a matchup-specific specialist.
It doesn’t sound like a Nickagneta deal either.  Hmmm.
TP...you're right. I have been advocating keeping Rozier straight through the playoffs since this summer. You're going for a title, so keep him and deal with his free agency next summer.

But if Rozier forces Danny's hand, Ainge might have to move him.

I think this is right. Rozier drives me nuts but is valuable off the bench for the playoff run. Danny can match any offer at the end of the year and then trade Rozier if he really wants. Hopefully, after the championship run, Rozier will be worth a lot.

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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2018, 04:05:39 PM »

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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.

This  has actually been a trade that I have been spouting for the past few months. I have to think the influx of wings and forwards on that team has made Bridges expendable.

Rozier for Bridges with maybe a second rounder or late first round pick could work for both sides.

Allows Brown, Smart, and Bridges/Tatum to alternate at the 1-3 spots for occasional fill in minutes. Plus I think Bridges could play the small ball 4 next to Williams.

That's an interesting idea.

The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need? Maybe another rebounder but it would need to be someone significantly better than Aron Baynes, which isn't nothing, which probably means a package deal.

But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances. Smart becomes the primary backup pg, Wannamaker gets more minutes, and when the Jabari Bird salary situation resolves itself probably look into a safety pg, maybe a buyout.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2018, 04:35:40 PM »

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The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need?
Imo we need a back-up SG who enjoys playing off the ball on offense and is a deadly 3-point shooter. Ideally a 3+D type of player.


But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances.
Highly doubt that the Suns would do the trade straight up. As things stand right now, it seems they won't push for the playoffs this year. They can wait till the offseason and then sign Rozier on a free.

My final offer to the Suns would be

Rozier + Yabu + C's 2019 first for Bridges
(or something along those lines)
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2018, 05:26:56 PM »

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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.

This  has actually been a trade that I have been spouting for the past few months. I have to think the influx of wings and forwards on that team has made Bridges expendable.

Rozier for Bridges with maybe a second rounder or late first round pick could work for both sides.

Allows Brown, Smart, and Bridges/Tatum to alternate at the 1-3 spots for occasional fill in minutes. Plus I think Bridges could play the small ball 4 next to Williams.

That's an interesting idea.

The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need? Maybe another rebounder but it would need to be someone significantly better than Aron Baynes, which isn't nothing, which probably means a package deal.

But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances. Smart becomes the primary backup pg, Wannamaker gets more minutes, and when the Jabari Bird salary situation resolves itself probably look into a safety pg, maybe a buyout.

They need either another shooter/scorer off the bench that can play off ball, or can defense while creating for others.

But yeah, I've been banging on the Bridges bandwagon for a while now. I thought they would seriously give him minutes, but then they did a head scratching move, and signed Ariza in the FA. Love Scary Terry, but he deserves to play elsewhere where he can soak up minutes and prove his worth.
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Re: Roziers realistic trade value
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2018, 09:58:29 AM »

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Any chance they consider trading TJ Warren? Has a GREAT contract.


Rozier, Morris, Yabusele, Grizz or Clips Pick

for Warren and DeAnthony Melton.


Or is he off limits for them?
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2018, 10:07:39 AM »

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The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need?
Imo we need a back-up SG who enjoys playing off the ball on offense and is a deadly 3-point shooter. Ideally a 3+D type of player.


But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances.
Highly doubt that the Suns would do the trade straight up. As things stand right now, it seems they won't push for the playoffs this year. They can wait till the offseason and then sign Rozier on a free.

My final offer to the Suns would be

Rozier + Yabu + C's 2019 first for Bridges
(or something along those lines)
Neither team would do it.

Too rich a package for Bridges from the C's standpoint.  Phx has no incentive to improve this year since it would hurt their lottery chances.  they can wait until the offseason to get their best pick and then offer Rozier something in the offseason that the C's would be unlikely to match (or match without lining up a S&T with Phx). 

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2018, 11:08:51 AM »

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Possible value points for Rozier...

Trade him for a mid to late first...con > already have too many draft pix

Trade him for an "almost starter 6th or 7th man"...con> already have too many of those

Keep him and pay him next year....con> out of the question

Keep him as filler in a big trade....well, there you go

Keep him as insurance for playoff run.....I think this just maybe the highest value for Rozier

Trade him to some idiot GM how overpays....with Ainge, not out of the realm of possibility

He's our guy for this season...learn to love him...shooting 38.5% from three for the moment

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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2018, 12:25:03 PM »

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Any chance they consider trading TJ Warren? Has a GREAT contract.


Rozier, Morris, Yabusele, Grizz or Clips Pick

for Warren and DeAnthony Melton.


Or is he off limits for them?

TJ Warren would be the perfect guy to receive in a deal for Terry.  The contract is surprisingly underrated.  A lot of people have faulted him for his lack of shooting and his minimal defense.  I'd say after his improvements shooting that the defense could be overblown considering his team hasn't played defense in a long time.  His fit would be questionable considering how many wings, but he can score with the best of them. 

After his most recent huge week and Jackson's sloughing upside, my instincts are telling me he isn't the guy they'd prefer to move.  As for Bridges, they really like him and are hoping he can turn the team to a point where they have a defensive side. 
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Re: Roziers realistic trade value
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2018, 12:25:04 PM »

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Any chance they consider trading TJ Warren? Has a GREAT contract.


Rozier, Morris, Yabusele, Grizz or Clips Pick

for Warren and DeAnthony Melton.


Or is he off limits for them?

TJ Warren would be the perfect guy to receive in a deal for Terry.  The contract is surprisingly underrated.  A lot of people have faulted him for his lack of shooting and his minimal defense.  I'd say after his improvements shooting that the defense could be overblown considering his team hasn't played defense in a long time.  His fit would be questionable considering how many wings, but he can score with the best of them. 

After his most recent huge week and Jackson's sloughing upside, my instincts are telling me he isn't the guy they'd prefer to move.  As for Bridges, they really like him and are hoping he can turn the team to a point where they have a defensive side. 
Nuggets: PG Murray/Thomas/Morris SG Harris/Barton/Beasley SF Craig PF Millsap/Lyles/Hernangomez/Lydon/Porter/Vanderbilt
C Jokic/ Plumlee
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
Clippers: G SGA/Beverley/Teodosic/Wallace SG Bradley/Robinson/Thornwell SF Gallinari PF Harris/Scott/Mbah a Moute C Gortat/Marjonovic

 

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