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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2018, 10:28:47 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2018, 10:39:02 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Sorry, not close.  Harden scores significantly more points per possession on isolation plays, while scoring about 3.5 times more points per game in iso.

Kyrie isnít particularly close to #1.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?CF=PPG*GE*1:GP*GE*50&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP&dir=1


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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2018, 10:46:25 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.
to be fair neither Irving nor Harden were the best performers in the clutch last year. 

http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/

James scored by far the most points and shot a very good 55% doing so.  Antetokounmpo was at 61% (same as Tatum, though Giannis was 13th in points while Tatum was 30th and Giannis scored more than 30 points more than Tatum).  Irving scored the 3rd most points and shot a very respectable 47.5%.  Harden was 22nd in points and a shot a lesser, though still ok, 42.4%.  Ben Simmons shot a shockingly high 68.8% in the clutch last year, which was by far the best of any player with at least 35 clutch points (Chris Paul, Rubio, and then Tatum/Giannis round out the top 5 by % with at least 35 clutch points).

Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2018, 10:50:00 AM »

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Watching Jason be so skilled,so young and Brown make his huge leap but it is the skill level of Kyrie that borders on a magical illusion that is mind boggling .Hayward and Al bring a sensibility to the game while Jason brings skills so refined at such a young age-his smooth long first step and Jaylen with his powerfiul quickness and improved shooting

But i always go back to Kyrie, is it the number of moves in a sequence?The variations or the  inexplicable finishes wrong footed and arsenal of spins off the backboard.The dagger threes.
Or his passing as he breaks down the defense.
They say that Cleveland won the trade by adding some solid young players but Boston got an otherworldly player .
Mind boggling definitions--
intellectually  or emotionally overwhelming
Astonishing,bewildering
Stunning,vivid
Staggering ,mind blowing
That sort of sums up Kyrie

The guy who makes you watch what he did again and again on slo-mo - and you're still not entirely sure how he did that.

ESPN put up a stat that he has the best shooting percentage in the league on shots taken after 10 dribbles. Sounds right...

I hate that stat to be honest. With the way Stevens wants to run his offense (a lot of movement and passing) that speaks to ISO ball. Hopefully there weren't many attempts on this shot after 10 dribbles stat.

I agree with that. We donít want any one guy holding the ball too long with so many offensive options.

Kyrie is gorgeous to watch when he's on but toward the end of his season I was starting to get very frustrated with him just holding the ball over and over again on offense, especially in the late game. Even when the results were good the offense was stagnating around it.  If he can mix in some healthy ball movement in with the isolation our team can go to the next level.

I agree that I'd rather have fewer dribbles; I complained when he took over games in the 4th quarter last year. But it's a weapon to have so long as he chooses his spots.

If it helps, he's also second-best shooting percentage on shots after 5 dribbles.

Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2018, 11:16:19 AM »

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Kyrie's real estate acumen is apparently mind boggling.  ;D

https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Kyrie-Irving-Gets-Dunked-On-NBA-Star-Sells-Ohio-13307792.php

Bought his Cleveland area house in 2014 (from Boobie Gibson) for $800k.

Tried to sell it in 2017 once he was traded to Boston for $1.7m

Dropped the price to $1.17m in July

Just sold for $755k.

Always think it's cool to see the houses of the stars.  And the realtor.com link for anybody interested in seeing further details (like $17k in property taxes).

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2431-Cornerstone_Westlake_OH_44145_M43703-58652#photo0








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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2018, 11:19:48 AM »

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Kyrie's real estate acumen is apparently mind boggling.  ;D

https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Kyrie-Irving-Gets-Dunked-On-NBA-Star-Sells-Ohio-13307792.php

Bought his Cleveland area house in 2014 (from Boobie Gibson) for $800k.

Tried to sell it in 2017 once he was traded to Boston for $1.7m

Dropped the price to $1.17m in July

Just sold for $755k.

Always think it's cool to see the houses of the stars.  And the realtor.com link for anybody interested in seeing further details (like $17k in property taxes).

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2431-Cornerstone_Westlake_OH_44145_M43703-58652#photo0

Beautiful home with a handful of terrible / tacky design choices.

I'm shocked that it went for that modest of a price.


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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2018, 11:51:38 AM »

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Kyrie's real estate acumen is apparently mind boggling.  ;D

https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Kyrie-Irving-Gets-Dunked-On-NBA-Star-Sells-Ohio-13307792.php

Bought his Cleveland area house in 2014 (from Boobie Gibson) for $800k.

Tried to sell it in 2017 once he was traded to Boston for $1.7m

Dropped the price to $1.17m in July

Just sold for $755k.

Always think it's cool to see the houses of the stars.  And the realtor.com link for anybody interested in seeing further details (like $17k in property taxes).

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2431-Cornerstone_Westlake_OH_44145_M43703-58652#photo0

Beautiful home with a handful of terrible / tacky design choices.

I'm shocked that it went for that modest of a price.
Westlake is an ok area (obviously this house is in the nicest part), but it isn't one of the super wealthy/super exclusive neighborhoods in the Cleveland area either.  That house also doesn't have very much land, only 0.6 acres, which is pretty small for that price range on homes.

Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2018, 05:52:22 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Sorry, not close.  Harden scores significantly more points per possession on isolation plays, while scoring about 3.5 times more points per game in iso.

Kyrie isnít particularly close to #1.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?CF=PPG*GE*1:GP*GE*50&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP&dir=1
Consider that Kyrie played the season on basically one leg until he was shut down for the season.
(Cleveland's doctors aren't the best ones at their job)

Stats are nice, but I look at it like this:
- amazing shooter mid range/3pts/FTs
- has the best handle, perhaps ever
- great driver and finisher left/right/over the top/2nd rim/floater
- every player that spoke about guarding him said that he is unguardable
- creative, he can invent a new play on the fly
- has a track record of being great in the clutch

As I said prior, his ISO heroics will come in handy plenty of times, even more so during the playoffs.
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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2018, 07:35:22 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Sorry, not close.  Harden scores significantly more points per possession on isolation plays, while scoring about 3.5 times more points per game in iso.

Kyrie isnít particularly close to #1.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?CF=PPG*GE*1:GP*GE*50&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP&dir=1
Consider that Kyrie played the season on basically one leg until he was shut down for the season.
(Cleveland's doctors aren't the best ones at their job)

Stats are nice, but I look at it like this:
- amazing shooter mid range/3pts/FTs
- has the best handle, perhaps ever
- great driver and finisher left/right/over the top/2nd rim/floater
- every player that spoke about guarding him said that he is unguardable
- creative, he can invent a new play on the fly
- has a track record of being great in the clutch

As I said prior, his ISO heroics will come in handy plenty of times, even more so during the playoffs.

He has a great handle, and heís a very good finisher. Thereís just no evidence that heís top-two.  Top-10, yes, but not the best.

Kyrieís weakness on drives compared to Harden is that he doesnít draw contact.


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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2018, 07:52:07 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Sorry, not close.  Harden scores significantly more points per possession on isolation plays, while scoring about 3.5 times more points per game in iso.

Kyrie isn’t particularly close to #1.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?CF=PPG*GE*1:GP*GE*50&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP&dir=1
Consider that Kyrie played the season on basically one leg until he was shut down for the season.
(Cleveland's doctors aren't the best ones at their job)

Stats are nice, but I look at it like this:
- amazing shooter mid range/3pts/FTs
- has the best handle, perhaps ever
- great driver and finisher left/right/over the top/2nd rim/floater
- every player that spoke about guarding him said that he is unguardable
- creative, he can invent a new play on the fly
- has a track record of being great in the clutch

As I said prior, his ISO heroics will come in handy plenty of times, even more so during the playoffs.

He has a great handle, and he’s a very good finisher. There’s just no evidence that he’s top-two.  Top-10, yes, but not the best.

Kyrie’s weakness on drives compared to Harden is that he doesn’t draw contact.
Well on a team with LeBron he got the biggest possible shot (championship-winning shot). That was definitely, like everything else, approved by LBJ, and of course Ty Lue.
So we saw the pecking order right there.

Harden is the "professor" no doubt about that, but I'd say that Harden's weakness is that last 5 playoffs he always looked depleted by the 2nd round. Each player has a weakness.
I also saw many times (last year against us especially, Marcus Smart game)  that referees swallow whistles on minor contact. Therefore decreasing that particular skill of his.
I'd rather have Kyrie.
Please say who are the other top 8/10 ISO guys
KD, Curry...
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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2018, 08:23:39 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Sorry, not close.  Harden scores significantly more points per possession on isolation plays, while scoring about 3.5 times more points per game in iso.

Kyrie isnít particularly close to #1.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?CF=PPG*GE*1:GP*GE*50&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP&dir=1
Consider that Kyrie played the season on basically one leg until he was shut down for the season.
(Cleveland's doctors aren't the best ones at their job)

Stats are nice, but I look at it like this:
- amazing shooter mid range/3pts/FTs
- has the best handle, perhaps ever
- great driver and finisher left/right/over the top/2nd rim/floater
- every player that spoke about guarding him said that he is unguardable
- creative, he can invent a new play on the fly
- has a track record of being great in the clutch

As I said prior, his ISO heroics will come in handy plenty of times, even more so during the playoffs.

He has a great handle, and heís a very good finisher. Thereís just no evidence that heís top-two.  Top-10, yes, but not the best.

Kyrieís weakness on drives compared to Harden is that he doesnít draw contact.
Well on a team with LeBron he got the biggest possible shot (championship-winning shot). That was definitely, like everything else, approved by LBJ, and of course Ty Lue.
So we saw the pecking order right there.

Harden is the "professor" no doubt about that, but I'd say that Harden's weakness is that last 5 playoffs he always looked depleted by the 2nd round. Each player has a weakness.
I also saw many times (last year against us especially, Marcus Smart game)  that referees swallow whistles on minor contact. Therefore decreasing that particular skill of his.
I'd rather have Kyrie.
Please say who are the other top 8/10 ISO guys
KD, Curry...
That shot was with a minute left in the game.  I'm not sure it tells you anything about the pecking order, especially when every single possession started with Lebron James and ended with a Lebron James decision (either a shot by him or a pass to someone else that shot it).  Irving made what ended up being a game winning shot in game 7 of the Finals, but that doesn't tell you much of anything other than Irving is a very good shooter.

Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2018, 08:35:29 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Sorry, not close.  Harden scores significantly more points per possession on isolation plays, while scoring about 3.5 times more points per game in iso.

Kyrie isnít particularly close to #1.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?CF=PPG*GE*1:GP*GE*50&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP&dir=1
Consider that Kyrie played the season on basically one leg until he was shut down for the season.
(Cleveland's doctors aren't the best ones at their job)

Stats are nice, but I look at it like this:
- amazing shooter mid range/3pts/FTs
- has the best handle, perhaps ever
- great driver and finisher left/right/over the top/2nd rim/floater
- every player that spoke about guarding him said that he is unguardable
- creative, he can invent a new play on the fly
- has a track record of being great in the clutch

As I said prior, his ISO heroics will come in handy plenty of times, even more so during the playoffs.

He has a great handle, and heís a very good finisher. Thereís just no evidence that heís top-two.  Top-10, yes, but not the best.

Kyrieís weakness on drives compared to Harden is that he doesnít draw contact.
Well on a team with LeBron he got the biggest possible shot (championship-winning shot). That was definitely, like everything else, approved by LBJ, and of course Ty Lue.
So we saw the pecking order right there.

Harden is the "professor" no doubt about that, but I'd say that Harden's weakness is that last 5 playoffs he always looked depleted by the 2nd round. Each player has a weakness.
I also saw many times (last year against us especially, Marcus Smart game)  that referees swallow whistles on minor contact. Therefore decreasing that particular skill of his.
I'd rather have Kyrie.
Please say who are the other top 8/10 ISO guys
KD, Curry...
That shot was with a minute left in the game.  I'm not sure it tells you anything about the pecking order, especially when every single possession started with Lebron James and ended with a Lebron James decision (either a shot by him or a pass to someone else that shot it).  Irving made what ended up being a game winning shot in game 7 of the Finals, but that doesn't tell you much of anything other than Irving is a very good shooter.

Yes, I think that everyone knows what the pecking order in Cleveland was.

Also, the argument itself doesnít make a ton of sense historically. I mean, was Steve Kerr higher in the Bullsí pecking order than MJ?

Regardless, Kyrie is a great dribbler and shooter. Heís just not the best iso scorer.


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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2018, 09:12:51 AM »

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I like that we have the best ISO guy on the planet.

Did we trade for Harden? ;)
Ok top 2. No. 1 on some nights.

I'd rather have the ISO player with the best shooting percentage in those situations too. So you were correct, Kyrie is the best.

Sorry, not close.  Harden scores significantly more points per possession on isolation plays, while scoring about 3.5 times more points per game in iso.

Kyrie isn’t particularly close to #1.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?CF=PPG*GE*1:GP*GE*50&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PPP&dir=1
Consider that Kyrie played the season on basically one leg until he was shut down for the season.
(Cleveland's doctors aren't the best ones at their job)

Stats are nice, but I look at it like this:
- amazing shooter mid range/3pts/FTs
- has the best handle, perhaps ever
- great driver and finisher left/right/over the top/2nd rim/floater
- every player that spoke about guarding him said that he is unguardable
- creative, he can invent a new play on the fly
- has a track record of being great in the clutch

As I said prior, his ISO heroics will come in handy plenty of times, even more so during the playoffs.

He has a great handle, and he’s a very good finisher. There’s just no evidence that he’s top-two.  Top-10, yes, but not the best.

Kyrie’s weakness on drives compared to Harden is that he doesn’t draw contact.
Well on a team with LeBron he got the biggest possible shot (championship-winning shot). That was definitely, like everything else, approved by LBJ, and of course Ty Lue.
So we saw the pecking order right there.

Harden is the "professor" no doubt about that, but I'd say that Harden's weakness is that last 5 playoffs he always looked depleted by the 2nd round. Each player has a weakness.
I also saw many times (last year against us especially, Marcus Smart game)  that referees swallow whistles on minor contact. Therefore decreasing that particular skill of his.
I'd rather have Kyrie.
Please say who are the other top 8/10 ISO guys
KD, Curry...
That shot was with a minute left in the game.  I'm not sure it tells you anything about the pecking order, especially when every single possession started with Lebron James and ended with a Lebron James decision (either a shot by him or a pass to someone else that shot it).  Irving made what ended up being a game winning shot in game 7 of the Finals, but that doesn't tell you much of anything other than Irving is a very good shooter.

Yes, I think that everyone knows what the pecking order in Cleveland was.

Also, the argument itself doesn’t make a ton of sense historically. I mean, was Steve Kerr higher in the Bulls’ pecking order than MJ?

Regardless, Kyrie is a great dribbler and shooter. He’s just not the best iso scorer.
I remember it vividly.
Timeout Cleveland.
Give the ball to Kyrie.
Clear the side.
Let him work.
Swish.

On the next play, LBJ gives the ball to Kyrie.
And on the play after that, Kyrie penetrates and feeds the cutting Lebron, who gets fouled by Green.
In the last minute of game 7, the safest option was Kyrie, 3 times in a row even with LBJ on the team.
It happened because Kyrie is a better outside shooter, better ballhandler and better free throw shooter.

Let's not try to change history.

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Re: Kyrie is mind boggling
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2018, 01:59:49 PM »

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Kyrie passes on Sports Illustrated cover with Hayward and Horford unless the team can be included He did a big three cover with Cleveland
.Lets get some wins as a team.

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Kyrie passes on Sports Illustrated cover with Hayward and Horford unless the team can be included He did a big three cover with Cleveland
.Lets get some wins as a team.

Yeah, I think this was cool.

Kyrie has been a big ďbranding guyĒ over the last couple of years. Between committing to Boston and this team-oriented approach, I love it.


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