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Another year with Kyrie for Rozier
« on: September 04, 2018, 12:20:30 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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Another big learning year for Terry,you can see the dribbling skills he has picked up from Kyrie and the confidence.Somebody is going to pick Danny's pocket on this player.
Rozier get another season watching Irving and will be a scorer distributor on 2nd unit which will increase Bostons leads and make them a regular season monster
Rozier will excel against opponents 2nd units and with all the TV coverage will become more of Cult figure as "Scary Terry"  dominates  and  he resonates with the youth.Just the right amount of swagger mixed with impish sense of humor.
Talk about branding, Terry has that X factor.
Kyrie is special but Danny drafted Terry and he is a product of the Celtics organization .
To let a outstanding young talent walk for nothing is not Danny's style but its a long season.
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Re: Another year with Kyrie for Rozier
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With the Sacramento pick and Smart resigning, if Kyrie resigns, Rozier probably goes. But he is restricted, so I wouldn't put a sign and trade out of the possibilities so that we get something in return for Rozier.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2018, 01:27:23 PM »

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I like Terry. I'm not completely sold on Kyrie here long-term yet, from his side or ours, but Terry would be an adequate fill-in. We could also draft a Reddish type long-term.

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 01:29:54 PM »

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Should be interesting to see how this plays out next year.

If Kyrie resigns, will he want to sign an offer sheet and risk it getting matched and stay behind Kyrie all through his prime? Or do we let him walk? Does a team overpay to force our hand (into either deep luxury tax or not matching)? Maybe he takes the QO to get freedom the following summer?

And if Kyrie does go elsewhere, we definitely have great insurance in Terry. I thought Ainge was hedging, but I think regardless of the Kyrie contract situation they wanted TR3 on this team this season.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2018, 01:35:14 PM »

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Replace Terry Rozier with Etwaun Moore in the OP and it reads very close to reality (minus Kyrie being there)

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 01:37:21 PM »

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Should be interesting to see how this plays out next year.

If Kyrie resigns, will he want to sign an offer sheet and risk it getting matched and stay behind Kyrie all through his prime? Or do we let him walk? Does a team overpay to force our hand (into either deep luxury tax or not matching)? Maybe he takes the QO to get freedom the following summer?

And if Kyrie does go elsewhere, we definitely have great insurance in Terry. I thought Ainge was hedging, but I think regardless of the Kyrie contract situation they wanted TR3 on this team this season.

I think Ainge is still undecided on Kyrie himself. Injury history, we played well without him etc. I mean Kyrie is going to tie up enormous cap-space, I'm sure Danny wants to make sure he's worth it..

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keep Kyrie

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2018, 07:50:56 PM »

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I'd like to keep both, but ultimately would rather keep Kyrie. Losing Terry would be a bummer, because I think he can be a legitimate starter somewhere. If Kyrie resigns I can't imagine Rozier being excited about coming off the bench for the not handful of years
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Rozier at $17 mill a year > Irving at $40 mill a year.

I’m sorry but the fact that Kyrie is one of the most injury prone stars of the past decade is so overlooked on here.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2018, 09:54:26 PM »

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Rozier at $17 mill a year > Irving at $40 mill a year.

I’m sorry but the fact that Kyrie is one of the most injury prone stars of the past decade is so overlooked on here.

So we lost the trade to Cleveland then because Collin Sexton (and Ante Zizic) will be balling up big for the Cavs.


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Or you can force either Kyrie or Rozier to learn how to play SG and start both of them.

And trade Brown for something bigger.


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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2018, 10:39:42 PM »

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Rozier at $17 mill a year > Irving at $40 mill a year.

I’m sorry but the fact that Kyrie is one of the most injury prone stars of the past decade is so overlooked on here.
Or, it might be due to the fact that it's completely overstated. Despite being so injury prone he has still managed 79% of available regular season games. It's not amazing, but it's not as if he can only manage 50 games each season. He's similar to DWade in this regard, and last I checked DWade's teams were pretty successful, even before LeBron.

Also, your equation at the top is incorrect. Rozier at that money isn't better than Kyrie at that money, because we're losing out on a top 3 PG in the league for a guy who is maybe in the top 20? Depending how highly you rate DSJ, D'Angelo Russell, Bledsoe, Dunn and similar guys.

You don't win a championship without at least one top-3 position player. The last team to do so was probably the '04 Pistons, but they had one of the best interior defenders and rebounders of all time.

So if we want to win rings, Kyrie is essential, barring Tatum and/or Brown making the jump to being in All-NBA consideration as of next season
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2018, 11:37:58 PM »

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Rozier at $17 mill a year > Irving at $40 mill a year.

I’m sorry but the fact that Kyrie is one of the most injury prone stars of the past decade is so overlooked on here.
If the Celtics payed Rozier 17 mil a year I would puke.  We're trying to win titles here, and for that you need stars.  As well as Rozier played at times, he still spit the bit when it mattered most.  He's a player that runs hot and cold and not the guy you want starting on a championship contender.

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Can Terry stop using ghostface image and START USING SCARY TERRY. Jesus.
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2018, 02:30:09 AM »

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Both players are brilliant ballhandlers who take great care of the ball - Rozier turns it over even less than Irving does, which is saying a lot!

Kyrie is one of the rare shooters in the league who is effective with the long mid range shot – in that part of his game he is even on a par with Chris Paul.  Since in today’s game most defenses are letting you shoot those shots, it’s a great asset to have a player who can do it over 50% in some parts of the court. And, like Chris Paul, he can get in the lane, get off a shot against taller players, and finish at a high percentage. Unfortunately, he is not nearly the playmaker that Paul is - though, let’s face it, he’s a quantum level above Terry.

 Creating shots for teammates and finishing in the lane are, in my judgment, the big growth areas for Rozier.  He is a thoroughly mediocre finisher, and no great shakes at getting shots for his teammates. If he could  ever develop any kind of mid range game, that would be icing on the cake. His three point shooting, on the other hand, is already pretty happening. From 11 o’clock to the left corner, he’s money.

At defense, Rozier is the clear winner. He is aggressive, gets in his man’s airspace, recovers rapidly, has quick joints and anticipation. Still making elementary mistakes in the team defense, but he’ll probably get those cleaned up as he matures.

He has made a big leap in each of his first three years, including stepping forward to take a leading role in the playoffs, sometimes in spectacular fashion. It’s unreasonable to expect a comparable leap in year four, but making measurable progress is predictable.
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