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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2018, 02:07:55 PM »

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Let's say it's getting close to the trade deadline and Danny thinks the team needs to bolster the front court. Does he consider a quantity for quality trade such as this? Orlando likes Gordon, but start to really like Isaac. They need a point guard and wouldn't mind getting an expiring and a lottery pick in return as well. Boston throws in Yabusele to make the salaries work, so it would be..

ORL gets: Marcus Smart, Marcus Morris, Guerschon Yabusele, MEM pick (probably falls between 9-14)
BOS gets: Aaron Gordon

Celtics roll in to the playoffs with an unreal 8 man rotation of Irving, Hayward, Horford, Gordon, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Baynes..

Remember that Gordon is one of the better and more versatile defenders in the league and isn't even 23 yet. Reasonable contract for a player of his caliber.

Would you do this? Would Boston need to sweeten the pot?

I'm not touching this deal strictly for two reason.  One we don't know if Irving is staying after this year.  So Smart is locked up and could be a starting point guard if Irving and Rozier leave.  Two we don't really have a spot for him completely.  He's not going to start over Hayward or Tatum.  So I'd say no for this two big reason.  Plus I rather keep the Memphis pick and use that and our pick or Clippers pick to get another high pick this year or move back to another draft.

Just to reassure, the chances of us losing BOTH Irving and Rozier are tiny.

We not only will have Bird Rights on both, but we also will have Restricted Rights on Rozier.  All we have to do is put a Qualifying Offer on Rozier to hold our rights to match until we have Irving's situation resolved, whose intentions should be clear fairly quickly into free agency.  If Irving walks, we'll be able to match any offer sheet to Rozier.

So I wouldn't include that particular 'fear' as part of your reasoning on this trade.
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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2018, 02:19:33 PM »

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I think the concerns about 'fit' are legitimate -- but only given the current, healthy state of the roster.

The premise of the OP was that the team was in need of front court help at the deadline.  In other words, maybe one of Al, Jayson or Theis is injured.    In that scenario, his "fit" would suddenly be a lot  better.

Especially in a season when you are trying to make a title run.   If we did indeed need 'front court help' at the deadline and this deal was available, Danny should and would leap all over it in a heartbeat.  Given the expectations of this year's team, it would be criminal not to.

His declining contract also makes him a potentially useful asset in subsequent seasons so even though, once everyone is again 'healthy', there might seem to be a glut at the forward position, it shouldn't be too hard for Danny to resolve that.

All that said, i'm extremely skeptical that Orlando would ever do such a deal.
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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2018, 03:32:02 PM »

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The premise of the OP was that the team was in need of front court help at the deadline.  In other words, maybe one of Al, Jayson or Theis is injured.    In that scenario, his "fit" would suddenly be a lot  better.

I did not get that impression at all from the OP's post. The scenario was if Danny thinks the team needs to bolster the front court. I took bolster as everyone is healthy and Danny just wants to strengthen the front court even further.

Plus I assume the OP picked the trade deadline since Marcus Smart just signed a new contract and I don't believe he can be traded any time soon before the trade deadline.

Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2018, 04:33:02 PM »

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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2018, 06:33:38 PM »

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The premise of the OP was that the team was in need of front court help at the deadline.  In other words, maybe one of Al, Jayson or Theis is injured.    In that scenario, his "fit" would suddenly be a lot  better.

I did not get that impression at all from the OP's post. The scenario was if Danny thinks the team needs to bolster the front court. I took bolster as everyone is healthy and Danny just wants to strengthen the front court even further.

Plus I assume the OP picked the trade deadline since Marcus Smart just signed a new contract and I don't believe he can be traded any time soon before the trade deadline.


Why would it need bolstering if everyone is healthy?  If healthy, our front-court should be really, really, really good.

FWIW:  I believe Dec 15 is the earliest Smart can be traded.
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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2018, 07:41:06 PM »

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I haven't followed Gordon super closely, but assuming that he passes closer examination, you absolutely have to do this. The contract is the deciding factor. Its a great deal and the money goes down over time!

I agree that he can't start immediately, but there are enough minutes for him. It would make our bench intimidating, and give room for Rozier to develop. I think you can argue that it doesn't help that much immediately, but it wouldn't hurt us either. The real motivation is longer term. Horford is 32. Gordon is 22. Three years from now, you'll wish you'd done that deal. There is a multiplier effect to having that kind of athleticism on the floor.

Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2018, 07:43:17 PM »

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The premise of the OP was that the team was in need of front court help at the deadline.  In other words, maybe one of Al, Jayson or Theis is injured.    In that scenario, his "fit" would suddenly be a lot  better.

I did not get that impression at all from the OP's post. The scenario was if Danny thinks the team needs to bolster the front court. I took bolster as everyone is healthy and Danny just wants to strengthen the front court even further.

Plus I assume the OP picked the trade deadline since Marcus Smart just signed a new contract and I don't believe he can be traded any time soon before the trade deadline.


Why would it need bolstering if everyone is healthy?  If healthy, our front-court should be really, really, really good.

FWIW:  I believe Dec 15 is the earliest Smart can be traded.

Really really really good might be an exaggeration..Aron Baynes is our 2nd best big next to 32 year old Horford.
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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2018, 07:44:35 PM »

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Sorry, but where exactly is Gordon going to play?

You really think Cs are gonna pay someone $20 mil per to come off the bench?

Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2018, 08:36:26 PM »

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It would be a big roster shakeup, and for that reason I don't know if I would do it. I think the current roster as is has a good chance at a championship. But the idea of starting Gordon at the 4 and bringing Hayward off the bench as the sixth man is very appealing to me.

Hayward is a top 20 player. Hes not coming off the bench.


Hayward has never been a top 20 player in his career. In fact, he has only made one all-star appearance. What makes him a "top 20 player"?

Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2018, 08:44:44 PM »

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It would be a big roster shakeup, and for that reason I don't know if I would do it. I think the current roster as is has a good chance at a championship. But the idea of starting Gordon at the 4 and bringing Hayward off the bench as the sixth man is very appealing to me.

Hayward is a top 20 player. Hes not coming off the bench.


Hayward has never been a top 20 player in his career. In fact, he has only made one all-star appearance. What makes him a "top 20 player"?
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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2018, 03:34:23 PM »

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Why not?

Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2018, 05:37:34 PM »

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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2018, 09:32:04 PM »

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HELL NO!!

Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2018, 09:44:50 PM »

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Re: would you trade both Marcus's and the MEM pick for Aaron Gordon?
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2018, 11:21:02 PM »

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It would be a big roster shakeup, and for that reason I don't know if I would do it. I think the current roster as is has a good chance at a championship. But the idea of starting Gordon at the 4 and bringing Hayward off the bench as the sixth man is very appealing to me.

Hayward is a top 20 player. Hes not coming off the bench.


Hayward has never been a top 20 player in his career. In fact, he has only made one all-star appearance. What makes him a "top 20 player"?
For me, it's the fact I don't think anyone can rationally argue that there are 20 better players in the NBA than GH, so yes, he's a top 20 player.

 

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