Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)

[celticinorlando]

Kuzma
Ingram
a pick
Maybe a S and T with Randall as a sweetner

Not much to give up. Would be interesting how they fill their team out

[CelticsElite]

Kuzma
Ingram
a pick
Maybe a S and T with Randall as a sweetner

Not much to give up. Would be interesting how they fill their team out

vs

Brown
Smart S&T
Sac pick


Salary is tough to match for Celtics

[fairweatherfan]

The real question is what did danny offer. The man is ruthless  and cold blooded during trades

Prolly not his best. He knows he can stand pat and win the East, plus not risk crippling this team for the next few years.

Keep this group together and add a top 5 pick from the Kings as well as maybe a top 9 or 10 pick from the Grizz...next year...or use them in a trade later on

Danny's main role here is probably bidding up the price the Lakers or some dark horse team has to pay to get Kawhi.

[jpotter33]

I mean, Kawhi and Lebron both going to LA is about perfect for us, right? That would give Boston a clear stranglehold on the East for the foreseeable future, and so long as George doesn’t also go there, which I still don’t think would be enough to unseat GS in the West, that also gives us a legitimate shot at a title for the foreseeable future, especially with the West beating each other up before making it to the Finals.

[nickagneta]

Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.

They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.

Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.

You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.

Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.

how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they wait

Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard


Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol

Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,

[nickagneta]

  Leonard has been adamant that he doesn't want to step into the San Antonio locker room again, and the Spurs have been adamant that they won't be forced into a trade, or a timetable, prior to the February trading deadline, league sources said. No team talking with the Spurs about Leonard has found them to be in a rush to make a deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-reopen-talks-kawhi-leonard

[Csfan1984]

Lakers should be all in and don't see Spurs turning their deal down. Just no competition for a Lakers deal if teams feel Leonard is going to be a one year rental. Lakers are probably just waiting on LeBron before dealing for Leonard.

[CelticsElite]

Lakers should be all in and don't see Spurs turning their deal down. Just no competition for a Lakers deal if teams feel Leonard is going to be a one year rental. Lakers are probably just waiting on LeBron before dealing for Leonard.

Lakers can't wait for lebron

Lebron isn't going to LA unless kahwi is first domino

[ETNCeltics]

Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.

They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.

Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.

You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.

Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.

how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they wait

Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard


Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol

Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,

So the Spurs are better off with one team bidding for Kawhi, vs. 3 or 4 teams bidding for Kawhi? Great logic.

The Spurs are just trying to drive up the price for Kawhi. THey're negotiating with the lakers as we speak.

[celticpride1]

RC Buford has all the keys to this off-season in the palm of his hands. No way he gives Kawai away to the Lakers before FA starts.Unless he gets a massive offer which Lakers can’t really match. Hold onto kawi till after LeBron makes his choice and Than take your best deal.

[vjcsmoke]

Yup, I feel that Kahwi isn't moving until free agency finishes.  It's just smart for the Spurs to wait to see where the chips fall and continue to try to negotiate before they move their biggest asset.

Also if the Lakers clear enough cap space to sign two max free agents like Lebron and George or Lebron and Cousins, I'm not sure they will be able to trade for Leonard.  I believe they can only take two max guys this offseason.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

[action781]

Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,

I'm not so sure.  Consider the Lakers top offer right now, whatever that is...  If that's the best offer SA sees right now, it makes a lot of sense to jump on it now.  Because if Lebron goes elsewhere, that offer is now off the table.  And if Lebron does decide to go to LA w/o Kawhi there yet, then LA would probably still like to add Kawhi, but doesn't feel the same desperation that they do now.  I don't see any scenario where the LA improves their offer after Lebron's decision.  Cleveland will have the same reaction looking at a potential Kawhi trade.  I think their offers while desperate are their highest offers.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.

They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.

Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.

You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.

Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.

how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they wait

Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard


Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol

Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,

Verified source.  nick nailed it.

[SparzWizard]

PG - Thomas
SG - Leonard
SF - James
PF - Randle
C - Lopez

A pretty solid lineup that'll get your team to at least the Western Conference Finals.

[Rondo9]

PG - Thomas
SG - Leonard
SF - James
PF - Randle
C - Lopez

A pretty solid lineup that'll get your team to at least the Western Conference Finals.

That’s a terrible lineup defensively.