What is this garbage about refs admitting missing calls at end of the game?

[kozlodoev]

I'm so done with the NBA officials. Embiid cries and they nearly foul everyone out in game 4. Now officials are saying the last play on Embiid should have been a foul. That's all subjective ,and I saw no foul. They also say Marcus Smart traveled, well how about Ben Simmons walking all over the place. For that matter why don't they mention the no call on Saric when he charged into Smart.  Since when should the refs be playing to fan bases.  Why is they only mention those moments that suits the narrative. The refs in my opinion where clearly trying to push this series along further.

Why are they playing to the crying baby Sixers. Boston was the better team.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23465226/nba-affirms-missed-late-calls-boston-celtics

Officials aren't saying anything. The NBA publishes a report about the last 2 minutes of every game where they review all the calls made on the floor. That report also includes an incorrect no-calls on fouls committed by Saric and Embiid, so...

[KGs Knee]

I just don't see the point of these "two minute" reports.  Why even bother admitting to your mistakes if you're not going to do anything about it?

This seems like all it does is rile up fanbases and fuel conspiracy theorists.  It'd be a whole different ballgame if these reports led to changes in results, or officials actually being publicly reprimanded, but that isn't happening so who cares.

[kozlodoev]

I just don't see the point of these "two minute" reports.  Why even bother admitting to your mistakes if you're not going to do anything about it?

This seems like all it does is rile up fanbases and fuel conspiracy theorists.  It'd be a whole different ballgame if these reports led to changes in results, or officials actually being publicly reprimanded, but that isn't happening so who cares.

If you don't care, don't read? Or you think that the absence of this report will stop conspiracy crackpots?

[Chris22]

Embiid is literally the biggest cry baby in the NBA, followed by Lebron.

[mr. dee]

Will refs be held accountable for their screw ups? I don't think so, its pointless to apologize or cry for it.

[KGs Knee]

I just don't see the point of these "two minute" reports.  Why even bother admitting to your mistakes if you're not going to do anything about it?

This seems like all it does is rile up fanbases and fuel conspiracy theorists.  It'd be a whole different ballgame if these reports led to changes in results, or officials actually being publicly reprimanded, but that isn't happening so who cares.

If you don't care, don't read? Or you think that the absence of this report will stop conspiracy crackpots?

I don't pay any attention to them.

But that doesn't preclude me from coming into a thread about the reports and stating my opinion about them.  Whether you like it or not.

[tazzmaniac]

Embiid is literally the biggest cry baby in the NBA, followed by Lebron.

That's nonsense.  Embiid doesn't spend much time griping to or about the refs like a lot of players do.  Here's his quote about the refs after the game. 

"The refs, they had a great game," Embiid said on Wednesday. "I thought they were great tonight. But I felt like there was something on that last play. But you can't really do anything about it. But they did a great job the whole night."

[gouki88]

Embiid is literally the biggest cry baby in the NBA, followed by Lebron.

That's nonsense.  Embiid doesn't spend much time griping to or about the refs like a lot of players do.  Here's his quote about the refs after the game. 

"The refs, they had a great game," Embiid said on Wednesday. "I thought they were great tonight. But I felt like there was something on that last play. But you can't really do anything about it. But they did a great job the whole night."

Embiid does whine and flop a bit, but he's definitely not the worst in the league. LeBron, Harden, Westbrook, Draymond and Lowry are the worst off the top of my head

[GreenEnvy]

People cry about transparency and then when they get it they don’t like it?  I don’t see an issue with the two minute report one way or the other.  In the end calls tend to balance out so whatever.

As far as the Embiid play, yeah, that was a pretty blatant foul on Baynes.  No question about it.  But who cares.  We win, they lost. 

I think people that complain about refs all the time are conflicted by these reports.  Those that understand that the refs are a part of the game, and understand you just need to play through things and control what you can control, don’t mind it.

I hate these reports, regardless.

It didn’t make me feel any better after game 4 in Milwaukee, and shouldn’t make Philly fans feel any differently after this report. Even if they said it was a good non-call on Middleton or Baynes, do we feel any better? Well at least it wasn’t really a foul, so glad he just messed up and it wasn’t a blown call!

Unless there are ramifications, what is the point? Do refs get reprimanded? Are the outcomes of the games altered in any way?

All that’s being said is: “sorry fans, we ****ed up... seeya next time!”

This reports should go to the officiating union or the crews themselves and stay out of the public. If they want to publicize the analyzing of officiating, do it for the full 48+ and not just the last two minutes. Erroneous (non-)calls early in the game can have huge ramifications later.

[TheSundanceKid]

What about all the missed foul calls on almost all of Tatum's drives to the basket?

Saying that Smart traveled on the catch of the full court pass is BS. They should be ashamed of themselves for that.

Given how good Tatum was this series, he is going to be truly scary when he starts getting the foul calls he deserves. It's typical for rookies to struggle with calls, same thing happened to Brown, this year he's earned more calls.

[Csfan1984]

Plays where I see the offensive player go right into a defenders chest I ain't call a foul. They initiated the contact.
With Embid play, if Baynes grabbed or swipped hard at the ball I would call that a foul. Embid had a clear 3-4' shot but wanted to get even closer, that's a dumb move.
Saric play was physical both guys got away with stuff so that evened out.

[celts55]

Guess my biggest question is, why not do it for the whole game? Bad calls are bad calls. I can only assume if they keep finding 3-4 missed calls in the last 2 minutes, they would find a 100 or so in the game. All calls effect the game, so review it all.
Oh yeah, Smart traveled 100%, but they're never going to call that at the end.

[jambr380]

I'm so done with the NBA officials. Embiid cries and they nearly foul everyone out in game 4. Now officials are saying the last play on Embiid should have been a foul. That's all subjective ,and I saw no foul. They also say Marcus Smart traveled, well how about Ben Simmons walking all over the place. For that matter why don't they mention the no call on Saric when he charged into Smart.  Since when should the refs be playing to fan bases.  Why is they only mention those moments that suits the narrative. The refs in my opinion where clearly trying to push this series along further.

Why are they playing to the crying baby Sixers. Boston was the better team.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23465226/nba-affirms-missed-late-calls-boston-celtics

Officials aren't saying anything. The NBA publishes a report about the last 2 minutes of every game where they review all the calls made on the floor. That report also includes an incorrect no-calls on fouls committed by Saric and Embiid, so...

While I understand the opinion of the OP, I think in this case, people should be more angry at ESPN for writing such biased article. The headline is all about the no-call on Embiid and the only other thing mentioned is the supposed travel on Smart (which would have been a ludicrous call had they made it in the game).

I had no idea that Philly had no-calls of their own - tp for posting. My opinion now is they at least cancel each other out with Philly getting actually getting the benefit since the no-call on Smart should absolutely have remained that way. Thanks ESPN   

[Celtics4ever]

While I understand the opinion of the OP, I think in this case, people should be more angry at ESPN for writing such biased article.

1)  ESPN had egg on their face from us beating their pick.   They also did a hit job on Baynes getting dunked on.  We bucked their narrative that they have built up all year with the Process and face it, they discounted us.

2) It's much easier for Embiid to blame the refs, than say he choked up on that shot or that he spends too much time on the perimeter and not enough inside where his strengths lie.

3) Bad calls are bad for the game, yet they have happened for years.   Some refs like Tony Brothers are very biased in their calls.   Instant replay in the NBA allows us to see these shenanigans in detail and exposes the refs.   But bad calls hurt both teams.

[Alleyoopster]

While I understand the opinion of the OP, I think in this case, people should be more angry at ESPN for writing such biased article.

1)  ESPN had egg on their face from us beating their pick.   They also did a hit job on Baynes getting dunked on.  We bucked their narrative that they have built up all year with the Process and face it, they discounted us.

2) It's much easier for Embiid to blame the refs, than say he choked up on that shot or that he spends too much time on the perimeter and not enough inside where his strengths lie.

3) Bad calls are bad for the game, yet they have happened for years.   Some refs like Tony Brothers are very biased in their calls.   Instant replay in the NBA allows us to see these shenanigans in detail and exposes the refs.   But bad calls hurt both teams.

I agree, bad calls are bad for the game. However, refs are calling these games in real time, not in slow motion instant replay. If you've ever reffed a game you know that it's nearly impossible to see what's going on when there's a cluster of players gathered in one area. You call it one way team A gets upset. You call it another way team B gets upset.

Tony might be a real bad ref or he's calling things in a way that other refs aren't. Maybe if we watched all his calls in slow motion and compare them to other refs we'd get a better picture than simply relying on stats.

If I could have played the stock market using instant replay I'd be the wealthiest man on Earth. Unfortunately, we live in a real time world. The slow down in play with the constant use of instant replay would be 10x more annoying than bad calls.

Bad calls hurt teams mostly when they are distributed unevenly.