No rebounds, no rings

[Chris22]

Start Baynes. The Ojelly thing did not work.

[Sophomore]

Rebounds are important, but I don’t think starting Baynes is the answer.  When we go to Milwaukee, it seems like we lose most of the 50-50 balls. That has to stop. Those long rebounds on either side just kill us. It’s a team effort to prevent that.

And there’s no question Ojeleye  has been our best defender against Jiannis.

[Chris22]

Rebounds are important, but I don’t think starting Baynes is the answer.  When we go to Milwaukee, it seems like we lose most of the 50-50 balls. That has to stop. Those long rebounds on either side just kill us. It’s a team effort to prevent that.

And there’s no question Ojeleye  has been our best defender against Jiannis.

We were outrebounded by 11 in the last game. We lost.
We outrebounded them by 3 in the first game. We won.
Start Baynes. Size matters.

[Green-18]

I am firmly behind Baynes in the starting lineup but it has more to do with continuity than anything else.  He and Horford together give us a better opportunity to attack the rim through dribble handoffs and the P&R.  If Jaylen and Tatum can attack early then it should also lead to more offensive rebounds.  It's absolutely crucial that they find their rhythm in the first quarter.     

Rebounding stats alone are often misleading. We missed 14 more shots than the Bucks in game 6.  Offensive rebounding numbers were 7 for the Bucks and 6 for us.  To put that in perspective the Dallas Mavericks averaged the least amount of offensive rebounds at 8.1 per game.  Did we struggle to rebound in game 6 or struggle to generate good looks at the rim?  I choose the latter.

Ultimately offensive execution will dictate the results of game 7.  I guess it's possible that both teams could go ice cold like game 6 but I'm certainly not expecting it.

[Sophomore]

Rebounds are important, but I don’t think starting Baynes is the answer.  When we go to Milwaukee, it seems like we lose most of the 50-50 balls. That has to stop. Those long rebounds on either side just kill us. It’s a team effort to prevent that.

And there’s no question Ojeleye  has been our best defender against Jiannis.

We were outrebounded by 11 in the last game. We lost.
We outrebounded them by 3 in the first game. We won.
Start Baynes. Size matters.

We also won game five. Ojeleye started, and we outrebounded them by 15. Baynes barely got off the bench – only played 10 minutes.

Baynes is an OK rebounder – nobody is confusing him with vintage Dwight Howard.

And the biggest reason we’ve been out rebounded in the games we lost Is that Milwaukee was much much more energetic.

[Sophomore]

I am firmly behind Baynes in the starting lineup but it has more to do with continuity than anything else.  He and Horford together give us a better opportunity to attack the rim through dribble handoffs and the P&R.  If Jaylen and Tatum can attack early then it should also lead to more offensive rebounds.  It's absolutely crucial that they find their rhythm in the first quarter.     

Rebounding stats alone are often misleading. We missed 14 more shots than the Bucks in game 6.  Offensive rebounding numbers were 7 for the Bucks and 6 for us.  To put that in perspective the Dallas Mavericks averaged the least amount of offensive rebounds at 8.1 per game.  Did we struggle to rebound in game 6 or struggle to generate good looks at the rim?  I choose the latter.

Ultimately offensive execution will dictate the results of game 7.  I guess it's possible that both teams could go ice cold like game 6 but I'm certainly not expecting it.

Definitely agree that the rebounding statistic can be misleading. If the other team is missing a lot of shots, you should outrebound them. I mostly think that Baynes doesn't improve our rebounding all that much, and that the big problem we had in games 4 and 6 was a *lot* of long rebounds that were 50-50 balls that the Bucks got and we did not. I am thinking/hoping that is going to be affected by energy.

Baynes *might* help establishing the offense. He's certainly a good screener, and then he cleans up some garbage boards when he rolls. But I thought in Game 5, Boston actually had a pretty good 1st quarter. Not world-beating, but they got 24 points and won the quarter. Some really good sequences mixed in with garbage. Then the wheels came off...

On the whole I don't mind seeing him play. He's a good risk in general. But Semi's defense on Giannis is clearly much the best of any Celtic. If he could just hit, say, 2 out of 5 from three and play his usual excellent transition D that should be enough.

[Chris22]

I am firmly behind Baynes in the starting lineup but it has more to do with continuity than anything else.  He and Horford together give us a better opportunity to attack the rim through dribble handoffs and the P&R.  If Jaylen and Tatum can attack early then it should also lead to more offensive rebounds.  It's absolutely crucial that they find their rhythm in the first quarter.     

Rebounding stats alone are often misleading. We missed 14 more shots than the Bucks in game 6.  Offensive rebounding numbers were 7 for the Bucks and 6 for us.  To put that in perspective the Dallas Mavericks averaged the least amount of offensive rebounds at 8.1 per game.  Did we struggle to rebound in game 6 or struggle to generate good looks at the rim?  I choose the latter.

Ultimately offensive execution will dictate the results of game 7.  I guess it's possible that both teams could go ice cold like game 6 but I'm certainly not expecting it.

Definitely agree that the rebounding statistic can be misleading. If the other team is missing a lot of shots, you should outrebound them. I mostly think that Baynes doesn't improve our rebounding all that much, and that the big problem we had in games 4 and 6 was a *lot* of long rebounds that were 50-50 balls that the Bucks got and we did not. I am thinking/hoping that is going to be affected by energy.

Baynes *might* help establishing the offense. He's certainly a good screener, and then he cleans up some garbage boards when he rolls. But I thought in Game 5, Boston actually had a pretty good 1st quarter. Not world-beating, but they got 24 points and won the quarter. Some really good sequences mixed in with garbage. Then the wheels came off...

On the whole I don't mind seeing him play. He's a good risk in general. But Semi's defense on Giannis is clearly much the best of any Celtic. If he could just hit, say, 2 out of 5 from three and play his usual excellent transition D that should be enough.

Nothing misleading about being outrebounded by 11. lol

[Fafnir]

Poor transition defense was a much bigger culprit in game 6, so I'm not sure starting Baynes is a good adjustment.

[SparzWizard]

As it has been the problem since getting whooped by the Lakers in 2010.

[BitterJim]

Rebounds are important, but I don’t think starting Baynes is the answer.  When we go to Milwaukee, it seems like we lose most of the 50-50 balls. That has to stop. Those long rebounds on either side just kill us. It’s a team effort to prevent that.

And there’s no question Ojeleye  has been our best defender against Jiannis.

We were outrebounded by 11 in the last game. We lost.
We outrebounded them by 3 in the first game. We won.
Start Baynes. Size matters.

The Bucks grabbed 41 of our 51 missed shots (so 80.4% DRB, ignoring misses FTs). The Celtics grabbed 33 of the Bucks' 37 missed shots (so 89.2% DRB, again ignoring missed FTs).  The issue was our inability to hit shots (which led to more rebound opportunities for the Bucks), not our defensive rebounding. We also need to take better care of the ball, they killed us on fast break points

Also, NBA.com lists the rebounds at 48 vs. 39, so a difference of 9 rebounds

[nickagneta]

The OP's ability to latch onto one fact or stat and hold onto it like a putbull while regurgitating said fact while also regurgitating his view point of view based on that fact/stat without taking anything else into consideration is.....admirable. I guess.

I think its also wrong. Tons of things lead to the loss in game 6. Rebounding...yes. But horrid shooting, lack of ball movement, lack of transition defense, lack of effort to 50/50 balls, lack of anything off the bench resembling offense other than Morris, bad defense on Giannis and Middleton.

There are a bunch of reason we lost. Not sure rebounding is the most important reason but it contributed. I have no problem going from Ojeleye to Baynes in the starting lineup. I think I like Horford on Giannis better than Ojeleye and Baynes can give you some offense, Semi can't.

[Chris22]

The OP's ability to latch onto one fact or stat and hold onto it like a putbull while regurgitating said fact while also regurgitating his view point of view based on that fact/stat without taking anything else into consideration is.....admirable. I guess.

I think its also wrong. Tons of things lead to the loss in game 6. Rebounding...yes. But horrid shooting, lack of ball movement, lack of transition defense, lack of effort to 50/50 balls, lack of anything off the bench resembling offense other than Morris, bad defense on Giannis and Middleton.

There are a bunch of reason we lost. Not sure rebounding is the most important reason but it contributed. I have no problem going from Ojeleye to Baynes in the starting lineup. I think I like Horford on Giannis better than Ojeleye and Baynes can give you some offense, Semi can't.

Tonight we outrebounded the Bucks by 10.
No rebounds, no rings.

[Sophomore]

Start Baynes. The Ojelly thing did not work.

This prediction did not pan out so well.

Baynes gave us nice minutes off the bench. Ojeleye played tremendous D (again) and the Cs were somehow able to score in the paint again and again even though Giannis was cheating off Ojeleye and practically camping on the low block all game. I honestly don’t know how they did it. It was amazing.

[Chris22]

Start Baynes. The Ojelly thing did not work.

This prediction did not pan out so well.

Baynes gave us nice minutes off the bench. Ojeleye played tremendous D (again) and the Cs were somehow able to score in the paint again and again even though Giannis was cheating off Ojeleye and practically camping on the low block all game. I honestly don’t know how they did it. It was amazing.

lol
We played poorly until Baynes came in in the first quarter.
We outrebounded them and won.

[Celtics4ever]

Rebounds are important, but I don’t think starting Baynes is the answer.

Baynes is not an elite rebounder, so does he help in that regard significantly?   He go 3.8 rebounds per game last year, so why is he being tossed around here like he is Moses Malone.

I think he struggled some with MIL lengthy athletic guys during the series at times and other times he helped.   But his offense helped us last night in the one stretch.  His rim protection and defense are his real calling card.   Anything else is gravy.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/baynear01.html