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« Reply #270 on: May 10, 2018, 08:36:22 AM »

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« Reply #271 on: May 10, 2018, 10:28:07 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
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« Reply #272 on: May 10, 2018, 10:29:15 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree
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« Reply #273 on: May 10, 2018, 10:38:55 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.

I agree that Saric is a special player. I'd love to have him in green. He's smart, crafty, and competitive.

I'm not sure he is gifted enough to be a 20 point scorer on a good team, especially in the playoffs. I know he had 24 last night, but it seems like he'd be a better fit as a 4th option getting 15 points a game and spotting up.

15-8-5 on a playoff team is very doable.

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« Reply #274 on: May 10, 2018, 10:41:46 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree
he basically averaged 18/8/3.5 against the C's.  He did that while being 5th on the Sixers in USG and he was actually ahead of Redick (who had more shots then him).  He shoots well from basically everywhere on the floor, doesn't turn it over, and was much more aggressive defensively (getting over a steal a game against the C's).  He just turned 24 (so is a bit older), but is in just his 2nd year coming over from a foreign country, and improved a great deal from his rookie year to year 2, so he should continue to improve.

Saric isn't a very athletic player, but I absolutely could see him as a Kevin Love type player, but with a bit less rebounding and a bit more passing, in the right role and the right situation. 
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« Reply #275 on: May 10, 2018, 10:50:48 AM »

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Thrilled we beat them.  Probably not the last of that rivalry.  It will be interesting to see how this series might look heading forward if we get fully healthy and they sign some stars.

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« Reply #276 on: May 10, 2018, 11:25:53 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree
he basically averaged 18/8/3.5 against the C's.  He did that while being 5th on the Sixers in USG and he was actually ahead of Redick (who had more shots then him).  He shoots well from basically everywhere on the floor, doesn't turn it over, and was much more aggressive defensively (getting over a steal a game against the C's).  He just turned 24 (so is a bit older), but is in just his 2nd year coming over from a foreign country, and improved a great deal from his rookie year to year 2, so he should continue to improve.

Saric isn't a very athletic player, but I absolutely could see him as a Kevin Love type player, but with a bit less rebounding and a bit more passing, in the right role and the right situation.

This is just such a wild take, and at odds what the consensus is among 76ers fans (who want him off the bench as their team improves). The fact tht you can watch that series and the lack of athleticism he has and think that he will put up numbers that only 2 others guys in the league did actually lowers my opinion of your basketball knowledge. Know when to back down and admit you got ahead of yourself...

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« Reply #277 on: May 10, 2018, 11:29:02 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree

Yeah to reiterate the only guys that put up the numbers moranis proposed in the entire league were cousins and Westbrook. Woof

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« Reply #278 on: May 10, 2018, 11:32:04 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree
he basically averaged 18/8/3.5 against the C's.  He did that while being 5th on the Sixers in USG and he was actually ahead of Redick (who had more shots then him).  He shoots well from basically everywhere on the floor, doesn't turn it over, and was much more aggressive defensively (getting over a steal a game against the C's).  He just turned 24 (so is a bit older), but is in just his 2nd year coming over from a foreign country, and improved a great deal from his rookie year to year 2, so he should continue to improve.

Saric isn't a very athletic player, but I absolutely could see him as a Kevin Love type player, but with a bit less rebounding and a bit more passing, in the right role and the right situation.

This is just such a wild take, and at odds what the consensus is among 76ers fans (who want him off the bench as their team improves). The fact tht you can watch that series and the lack of athleticism he has and think that he will put up numbers that only 2 others guys in the league did actually lowers my opinion of your basketball knowledge. Know when to back down and admit you got ahead of yourself...

I doubted Moranis on this, but watching Saric the last couple of games, he is a very good player, who we really have trouble matching up against. He reminds me of Tristan Thompson with 3 point range, the way he grabs offensive boards.  I completely discounted him going into the series, but have become a believer in his game.

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« Reply #279 on: May 10, 2018, 11:42:23 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree

Yeah to reiterate the only guys that put up the numbers moranis proposed in the entire league were cousins and Westbrook. Woof
Lol, that would be quite a remarkable jump.

I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree
he basically averaged 18/8/3.5 against the C's.  He did that while being 5th on the Sixers in USG and he was actually ahead of Redick (who had more shots then him).  He shoots well from basically everywhere on the floor, doesn't turn it over, and was much more aggressive defensively (getting over a steal a game against the C's).  He just turned 24 (so is a bit older), but is in just his 2nd year coming over from a foreign country, and improved a great deal from his rookie year to year 2, so he should continue to improve.

Saric isn't a very athletic player, but I absolutely could see him as a Kevin Love type player, but with a bit less rebounding and a bit more passing, in the right role and the right situation.

This is just such a wild take, and at odds what the consensus is among 76ers fans (who want him off the bench as their team improves). The fact tht you can watch that series and the lack of athleticism he has and think that he will put up numbers that only 2 others guys in the league did actually lowers my opinion of your basketball knowledge. Know when to back down and admit you got ahead of yourself...

I doubted Moranis on this, but watching Saric the last couple of games, he is a very good player, who we really have trouble matching up against. He reminds me of Tristan Thompson with 3 point range, the way he grabs offensive boards.  I completely discounted him going into the series, but have become a believer in his game.
The problem is he doesn't grab offensive rebounds like that against most teams. His ORB% is worse than Aron Baynes and Daniel Theis. That's just from Boston. He is nowhere near a 20/9/5 guy, that's insane.
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« Reply #280 on: May 10, 2018, 11:50:11 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree
he basically averaged 18/8/3.5 against the C's.  He did that while being 5th on the Sixers in USG and he was actually ahead of Redick (who had more shots then him).  He shoots well from basically everywhere on the floor, doesn't turn it over, and was much more aggressive defensively (getting over a steal a game against the C's).  He just turned 24 (so is a bit older), but is in just his 2nd year coming over from a foreign country, and improved a great deal from his rookie year to year 2, so he should continue to improve.

Saric isn't a very athletic player, but I absolutely could see him as a Kevin Love type player, but with a bit less rebounding and a bit more passing, in the right role and the right situation.

This is just such a wild take, and at odds what the consensus is among 76ers fans (who want him off the bench as their team improves). The fact tht you can watch that series and the lack of athleticism he has and think that he will put up numbers that only 2 others guys in the league did actually lowers my opinion of your basketball knowledge. Know when to back down and admit you got ahead of yourself...

I doubted Moranis on this, but watching Saric the last couple of games, he is a very good player, who we really have trouble matching up against. He reminds me of Tristan Thompson with 3 point range, the way he grabs offensive boards.  I completely discounted him going into the series, but have become a believer in his game.

I like Saric; very well rounded game, still going to get better. I think the issue is with the numbers thrown out. 20/9/5 is pretty lofty.

For fun, I threw in just 15/7/3 for the '17-'18 regular season, and got just 11 hits. Lebron, Giannis, Westbrook, cousins, Embiid, Griffin, Jokic, Marc Gasol, Vucevic, Simmons, Drummond. It's hard to get to 20/9/5.

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« Reply #281 on: May 10, 2018, 11:56:10 AM »

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I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree

Yeah to reiterate the only guys that put up the numbers moranis proposed in the entire league were cousins and Westbrook. Woof
Lol, that would be quite a remarkable jump.

I really hope Moranis doesn't still think Saric would average 20, 9, and 5.
Of course I do, one series shouldn't change anyone's opinion on a player.  I absolutely believe that if Saric was given more opportunities he could absolutely be a 20/9/5 type player.  The assists would be the most problematic one of those 3 as he is not a great playmaker, but he still has that type of talent.
Jeez. Super strong disagree
he basically averaged 18/8/3.5 against the C's.  He did that while being 5th on the Sixers in USG and he was actually ahead of Redick (who had more shots then him).  He shoots well from basically everywhere on the floor, doesn't turn it over, and was much more aggressive defensively (getting over a steal a game against the C's).  He just turned 24 (so is a bit older), but is in just his 2nd year coming over from a foreign country, and improved a great deal from his rookie year to year 2, so he should continue to improve.

Saric isn't a very athletic player, but I absolutely could see him as a Kevin Love type player, but with a bit less rebounding and a bit more passing, in the right role and the right situation.

This is just such a wild take, and at odds what the consensus is among 76ers fans (who want him off the bench as their team improves). The fact tht you can watch that series and the lack of athleticism he has and think that he will put up numbers that only 2 others guys in the league did actually lowers my opinion of your basketball knowledge. Know when to back down and admit you got ahead of yourself...

I doubted Moranis on this, but watching Saric the last couple of games, he is a very good player, who we really have trouble matching up against. He reminds me of Tristan Thompson with 3 point range, the way he grabs offensive boards.  I completely discounted him going into the series, but have become a believer in his game.
The problem is he doesn't grab offensive rebounds like that against most teams. His ORB% is worse than Aron Baynes and Daniel Theis. That's just from Boston. He is nowhere near a 20/9/5 guy, that's insane.
Sure, but he is playing next to Embiid, Simmons, Holmes, Johnson, Covington, Ilyasova, etc.  Not a collective bunch of crap rebounders like Horford, Morris, Tatum, etc.  Monroe and Baynes (and maybe Theis) are the only above average rebounders (even for their position) on the Celtics.  It is much easier to grab rebounds when you aren't playing next to good rebounders.
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« Reply #282 on: May 10, 2018, 11:56:56 AM »

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In fact, if you look at 20/9/5, you only get

'17-'18: Westbrook, cousins
'16-'17: Westbrook

Then you have to go back to '04-'05 to get to the last person to do it, and it was KG. He was also the only one to do it in '03-'04, and in '02-'03 it was KG and Webber. Then just KG again for the three year stretch from '99-'00 to '01-'02.

So it is really rare. Also, how good was KG?

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« Reply #283 on: May 10, 2018, 12:07:56 PM »

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And let me be clear, I said I could see him as a 20/9/5 type player, that doesn't exactly mean I think he will average 20/9/5 in any given season.  I mean Lebron James could quite easily average those numbers if he wanted to.  So could Durant.  So could Blake Griffin.  So could Love (he was about a half assist away at one point in his career).  And so could countless other players.  I mean, Giannis pretty much did this year and last year (simple rounding and he was there).  Saric absolutely has that statistical ability to get those averages.  Frankly, he is on a team with 2 players that could also fairly realistic get those averages in the right situation and with the right progression (Embiid and Simmons). 
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« Reply #284 on: May 10, 2018, 12:11:39 PM »

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In fact, if you look at 20/9/5, you only get

'17-'18: Westbrook, cousins
'16-'17: Westbrook

Then you have to go back to '04-'05 to get to the last person to do it, and it was KG. He was also the only one to do it in '03-'04, and in '02-'03 it was KG and Webber. Then just KG again for the three year stretch from '99-'00 to '01-'02.

So it is really rare. Also, how good was KG?

KG wasn't that good.  :angel:
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