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So now it has been confirmed that Cohen is now officially under criminal investigation....
Cohen and Trump are in a lot of trouble. 

There are also reports that Cohen had tapes that might have been taken in the FBI raid, and that people on the Trump campaign knew that Cohen taped people during the 2016 campaign.

Also there is news that Cohen negotiated a 1.6 million dollar payoff to a playboy playmate that Elliot Broidy (finance chairman of the Republican National Committee) reportedly got pregnant.  Broidy then resigned from the RNC today.

Then while on CNN, the RNC chair Ronna Romney McDaniel won't answer directly whether Michael Cohen is still a National Deputy Chairman.   Stunning huh?

Is there no end to this madness and slime? 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-criminal-investigation/story?id=54450757

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-routinely-taped-conversations-which-is-a-problem-for-the-president.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-payment-elliott-broidy-trump-playboy-model-2018-4
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The newest ďgemĒ of info is that Sean Hannity is a client of Cohenís. What a soap opera
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Apparently, Cohen used to tape conversations with people to use that tape against them later. So my question is, if he did that without consent of those people, isn't that illegal and so those recordings would be fair game to use in any investigation against he and Trump? Also, if he records meetings with Trump and other people, does attorney-client privlidge end because there was another person in the room not a part of the legal team? Can those recordings really be deemed privlidged simply because he is Trump's lawyer and he and Trump were there?

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Nick, my understanding is that New York is a one party state so the taping may very well be legal.

Regarding the Attorney-Client privilege, the standard is reasonable expectation of privacy ..having a third-party privy to the attorney client communication puts the privilege at substantial risk to say the least.

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The special counsel appointment is a very dangerous thing. Giving a prosecutor unlimited resources and power to dig into somebodyís background is irresponsible at best, and violates the Constitution at worst.  Thatís especially true when thereís no oversight or real check on power.

If Cohenís office was raided due to potential campaign finance violations related to Trumpís extramarital affairs, that has absolutely zero to do with collusion with Russia. If Rosenstein isnít reigning that in, ive got no problem with him being fired.

I donít know much about the history of the special counsel and the propriety of its use under Nixon, but in terms of due process Iíve been disgusted by the fishing expedition that both Ken Starr and Mueller have been allowed to undertake.
Wait, so when a prosecutor uncovers evidence of an unrelated crime in the course of an investigation, they have to duly ignore that because it's not in scope? Is that really how the justice system is supposed to work?
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The special counsel appointment is a very dangerous thing. Giving a prosecutor unlimited resources and power to dig into somebodyís background is irresponsible at best, and violates the Constitution at worst.  Thatís especially true when thereís no oversight or real check on power.

If Cohenís office was raided due to potential campaign finance violations related to Trumpís extramarital affairs, that has absolutely zero to do with collusion with Russia. If Rosenstein isnít reigning that in, ive got no problem with him being fired.

I donít know much about the history of the special counsel and the propriety of its use under Nixon, but in terms of due process Iíve been disgusted by the fishing expedition that both Ken Starr and Mueller have been allowed to undertake.
Wait, so when a prosecutor uncovers evidence of an unrelated crime in the course of an investigation, they have to duly ignore that because it's not in scope? Is that really how the justice system is supposed to work?

In this case, where campaign finance violations are generally handled through the FEC?  Yeah, referring it to the DOJ, and raiding an attorneyís office, is pretty extreme.

For comparison, Obamaís 2008 campaign was guilty of accepting millions of dollars in illegal donations, much more than Trump or Cohen paid out to Daniels.  There were no raids, referrals to the US Attorney, or criminal charges there. Everything was resolved with a large fine.

Trump is being handled in an atypical manner. Buffoon or not, he should be treated the same as similarly situated suspects.



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Nick, my understanding is that New York is a one party state so the taping may very well be legal.

Regarding the Attorney-Client privilege, the standard is reasonable expectation of privacy ..having a third-party privy to the attorney client communication puts the privilege at substantial risk to say the least.

I believe the problem arises if the other party is in, for example, California.
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The special counsel appointment is a very dangerous thing. Giving a prosecutor unlimited resources and power to dig into somebodyís background is irresponsible at best, and violates the Constitution at worst.  Thatís especially true when thereís no oversight or real check on power.

If Cohenís office was raided due to potential campaign finance violations related to Trumpís extramarital affairs, that has absolutely zero to do with collusion with Russia. If Rosenstein isnít reigning that in, ive got no problem with him being fired.

I donít know much about the history of the special counsel and the propriety of its use under Nixon, but in terms of due process Iíve been disgusted by the fishing expedition that both Ken Starr and Mueller have been allowed to undertake.
Wait, so when a prosecutor uncovers evidence of an unrelated crime in the course of an investigation, they have to duly ignore that because it's not in scope? Is that really how the justice system is supposed to work?

In this case, where campaign finance violations are generally handled through the FEC?  Yeah, referring it to the DOJ, and raiding an attorneyís office, is pretty extreme.

For comparison, Obamaís 2008 campaign was guilty of accepting millions of dollars in illegal donations, much more than Trump or Cohen paid out to Daniels.  There were no raids, referrals to the US Attorney, or criminal charges there. Everything was resolved with a large fine.

Trump is being handled in an atypical manner. Buffoon or not, he should be treated the same as similarly situated suspects.

I agree with most of this in principle, but only under the assumption that the raids were purely about campaign finance. Recent reporting seems to indicate Cohen under investigation for "months" around personal business dealings.

Also, is the Obama stuff comparable? I honestly don't remember the details, but there could be a big difference between millions (cumulative) and $130k+ by your own personal lawyer, as part of an intentional conspiracy.
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The special counsel appointment is a very dangerous thing. Giving a prosecutor unlimited resources and power to dig into somebodyís background is irresponsible at best, and violates the Constitution at worst.  Thatís especially true when thereís no oversight or real check on power.

If Cohenís office was raided due to potential campaign finance violations related to Trumpís extramarital affairs, that has absolutely zero to do with collusion with Russia. If Rosenstein isnít reigning that in, ive got no problem with him being fired.

I donít know much about the history of the special counsel and the propriety of its use under Nixon, but in terms of due process Iíve been disgusted by the fishing expedition that both Ken Starr and Mueller have been allowed to undertake.
Wait, so when a prosecutor uncovers evidence of an unrelated crime in the course of an investigation, they have to duly ignore that because it's not in scope? Is that really how the justice system is supposed to work?

In this case, where campaign finance violations are generally handled through the FEC?  Yeah, referring it to the DOJ, and raiding an attorneyís office, is pretty extreme.

For comparison, Obamaís 2008 campaign was guilty of accepting millions of dollars in illegal donations, much more than Trump or Cohen paid out to Daniels.  There were no raids, referrals to the US Attorney, or criminal charges there. Everything was resolved with a large fine.

Trump is being handled in an atypical manner. Buffoon or not, he should be treated the same as similarly situated suspects.

how does anyone know exactly what the charges against Cohen are going to be? I think we always assume that we know what is going on in these situations, but we have no idea what the evidence is.

instantly rebounding to the whatabouts isn't helpful either.

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This is all the new standard operating procedure in American politics. When Clinton lowered the bar to the floor with Monica in the Oval Office, and he was nearly impeached, that set a new precedent.

Expect almost every President from here on in to face impeachment for the smallest impropriety by the party, not in office.   

This is a nothing burger, it's all about paying the Right back for embarrassing Hillary and the Left. The Russian crap didn't work...If this doesn't stick they'll throw something new against the wall.

It's a game sports fans...it's a game. It's all about following those donation dollars.

We need a third party and term limits. 

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The special counsel appointment is a very dangerous thing. Giving a prosecutor unlimited resources and power to dig into somebodyís background is irresponsible at best, and violates the Constitution at worst.  Thatís especially true when thereís no oversight or real check on power.

If Cohenís office was raided due to potential campaign finance violations related to Trumpís extramarital affairs, that has absolutely zero to do with collusion with Russia. If Rosenstein isnít reigning that in, ive got no problem with him being fired.

I donít know much about the history of the special counsel and the propriety of its use under Nixon, but in terms of due process Iíve been disgusted by the fishing expedition that both Ken Starr and Mueller have been allowed to undertake.
Wait, so when a prosecutor uncovers evidence of an unrelated crime in the course of an investigation, they have to duly ignore that because it's not in scope? Is that really how the justice system is supposed to work?

In this case, where campaign finance violations are generally handled through the FEC?  Yeah, referring it to the DOJ, and raiding an attorneyís office, is pretty extreme.

For comparison, Obamaís 2008 campaign was guilty of accepting millions of dollars in illegal donations, much more than Trump or Cohen paid out to Daniels.  There were no raids, referrals to the US Attorney, or criminal charges there. Everything was resolved with a large fine.

Trump is being handled in an atypical manner. Buffoon or not, he should be treated the same as similarly situated suspects.

how does anyone know exactly what the charges against Cohen are going to be? I think we always assume that we know what is going on in these situations, but we have no idea what the evidence is.

instantly rebounding to the whatabouts isn't helpful either.

Itís not ďwhataboutĒ, itís an example of how these ďcrimesĒ are generally treated.


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Not sure if it merits its own thread, at least until it happens, but Cohen is reportedly in the process of making a plea deal for counts including tax and banking fraud. The plea may be made as soon as today.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/ex-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-discussing-plea-deal-prosecutors-n902571

The import of this won't be known til more specifics come out, so there's no indication of whether there are more charges to come, if he's providing more evidence against Trump or not, etc. But it's a big development, and would be yet another financial criminal closely linked to a President who won't disclose his finances.

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Not sure if it merits its own thread, at least until it happens, but Cohen is reportedly in the process of making a plea deal for counts including tax and banking fraud. The plea may be made as soon as today.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/ex-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-discussing-plea-deal-prosecutors-n902571

The import of this won't be known til more specifics come out, so there's no indication of whether there are more charges to come, if he's providing more evidence against Trump or not, etc. But it's a big development, and would be yet another financial criminal closely linked to a President who won't disclose his finances.
If Cohen has tape on Trump or information that corroborates anything McGahn says, Trump will be in a world of trouble. 2 lawyers flipping on him is not a good look.

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Not sure if it merits its own thread, at least until it happens, but Cohen is reportedly in the process of making a plea deal for counts including tax and banking fraud. The plea may be made as soon as today.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/ex-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-discussing-plea-deal-prosecutors-n902571

The import of this won't be known til more specifics come out, so there's no indication of whether there are more charges to come, if he's providing more evidence against Trump or not, etc. But it's a big development, and would be yet another financial criminal closely linked to a President who won't disclose his finances.
If Cohen has tape on Trump or information that corroborates anything McGahn says, Trump will be in a world of trouble. 2 lawyers flipping on him is not a good look.
tbh, I'd be surprised if their information/testimony overlapped much.  I would anticipate Trump discussing very different topics with each of them. 
McGahn: Govt-focused discussion revolving around how to stop Mueller and pardoning rights.
Cohen: Discussions about his business dealings and possibly about the campaign.

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Not sure if it merits its own thread, at least until it happens, but Cohen is reportedly in the process of making a plea deal for counts including tax and banking fraud. The plea may be made as soon as today.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/ex-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-discussing-plea-deal-prosecutors-n902571

The import of this won't be known til more specifics come out, so there's no indication of whether there are more charges to come, if he's providing more evidence against Trump or not, etc. But it's a big development, and would be yet another financial criminal closely linked to a President who won't disclose his finances.
If Cohen has tape on Trump or information that corroborates anything McGahn says, Trump will be in a world of trouble. 2 lawyers flipping on him is not a good look.
tbh, I'd be surprised if their information/testimony overlapped much.  I would anticipate Trump discussing very different topics with each of them. 
McGahn: Govt-focused discussion revolving around how to stop Mueller and pardoning rights.
Cohen: Discussions about his business dealings and possibly about the campaign.

The question is, did Trump use McGahn appropriately -- i.e., discussing the legality of his goals, etc. -- or did he trample all over McGahn's advice?  And then there's the grey area (which happens all the time):  rejecting your attorney's initial advice (explicitly or implicitly), and instructing him to find a legal basis for your actions, no matter how flimsy.

I just assume everything with Cohen is sleazy.  Why else go to Cohen in the first place?  It's not like he was one of NYC's best lawyers.


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