Stevens IS THE Coach of the year

[Granath]

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

Um, there are SEVEN games left, not twelve. I guess you missed that too.

Ok, you got me. Jaylen Brown will only play in 71 games even if he starts every single game between now and the end of season.

As a curious aside, I distinctly remember having conversations about giving max contracts to guys like Hayward, Irving and Anthony Davis who routinely turn in seasons with workload in the low 70s... and there was a school of thought that it was fine and one wouldn't want your main guys to play so many games either way. Tsk-tsk.

You couldn't even get the number of games right, which negated your entire point. Instead of admitting that, you decided to double down on the stupidity. Not a good strategy. 

In all but one season prior to this one, Hayward will have played 72 games or more - a benchmark that almost none of our guys will hit this year. So again, you've managed to use a metric that outright contradicts the point you're trying to make.   

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Our regular lineup is Irving, Brown, Tatum, Horford and Baynes. Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Baynes have mostly been available this season.

Thanks for playing, please try again. Baynes is NINTH on the team in minutes per game. Between not having a clue how many games are in a season, not knowing who actually plays and how many games players have missed, you're exceptionally uninformed.

Our regular lineup is Brown, Tatum, Horford, Irving, Smart and Morris. That's the first 6 guys in MINUTED PLAYED (you know, the guys who are actually on the basketball court the most) who - if we're lucky - will average about 65 games each. Mostly available? Sure. But let's not pretend that's an outstanding number of games played by anyone. That's a lot of lost games even before adding in Hayward's 81 lost.

I don't know what's being "debunked" and how. That Brett Brown has worked largely with a roster that has little to no real NBA experience is a fact, no matter how you choose to interpret Simmons and Embiid's redshirt years. This discussion isn't about whether Ben Simmons should be eligible for the ROY vote...

I guess you should read the thread responses before posting then.

But then again, you don't seem to understand that this is Embiid's 4th year in the league or that there are 82 games in a season.

[jambr380]

I don't think Stevens get it because of the media bias against Boston.   I think it mike go to the Houston Coach.

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year

I too, don't like it when the NBA calls people rookies that are not in their first year.   It is a rule they made up to make number picks favored to win the rookie of the year for the their propaganda machine and little more.

Those guys got professional trainers, weight training and a year for their body to grow and mature and have a huge edge over the other rookies.   The NBA needs to stop this practice now.  They are not true rookies no matter what the NBA or Celticsclay says.   I am with Moranis on this one!

I think you mean you are with celticsclay and not with Moranis. You seemed to have switched around who was arguing what point.

And if D'Antoni wins COTY for a 3rd time, including being the first back to back winner of the award EVER, I will have a problem with that. Like it or not, history has shown this has been a kind-of a spread the wealth kind-of award. Having a guy like D'Antoni tie Riley, Pop, and Nelson for the all-time lead as a COTY seems a little off.

[cman88]

I dont see how Brad doesnt get it.

celtics are on a 5 game win streak missing their top 2 all-stars, with guys like Tatum/Brown/Morris being your top 3 guys scoring. and they are beating the best the west has to offer.

then, take into account last offseason the huge overhaul of the roster and we hear how it will take time for the C's to Gel. we lose Hayward 5 minutes into the season and everyone declares it is over. and through all of that we go on a 16 game win streak and are having a 50+ win season again holding strong onto the #2 seed in the east.

[Boris Badenov]

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

Um, there are SEVEN games left, not twelve. I guess you missed that too.

Ok, you got me. Jaylen Brown will only play in 71 games even if he starts every single game between now and the end of season.

As a curious aside, I distinctly remember having conversations about giving max contracts to guys like Hayward, Irving and Anthony Davis who routinely turn in seasons with workload in the low 70s... and there was a school of thought that it was fine and one wouldn't want your main guys to play so many games either way. Tsk-tsk.

You couldn't even get the number of games right, which negated your entire point. Instead of admitting that, you decided to double down on the stupidity. Not a good strategy. 

In all but one season prior to this one, Hayward will have played 72 games or more - a benchmark that almost none of our guys will hit this year. So again, you've managed to use a metric that outright contradicts the point you're trying to make.   

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Our regular lineup is Irving, Brown, Tatum, Horford and Baynes. Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Baynes have mostly been available this season.

Thanks for playing, please try again. Baynes is NINTH on the team in minutes per game. Between not having a clue how many games are in a season, not knowing who actually plays and how many games players have missed, you're exceptionally uninformed.

Our regular lineup is Brown, Tatum, Horford, Irving, Smart and Morris. That's the first 6 guys in MINUTED PLAYED (you know, the guys who are actually on the basketball court the most) who - if we're lucky - will average about 65 games each. Mostly available? Sure. But let's not pretend that's an outstanding number of games played by anyone. That's a lot of lost games even before adding in Hayward's 81 lost.

I don't know what's being "debunked" and how. That Brett Brown has worked largely with a roster that has little to no real NBA experience is a fact, no matter how you choose to interpret Simmons and Embiid's redshirt years. This discussion isn't about whether Ben Simmons should be eligible for the ROY vote...

I guess you should read the thread responses before posting then.

But then again, you don't seem to understand that this is Embiid's 4th year in the league or that there are 82 games in a season.

TP, for dogged persistence in the face of the "I'm going to try to win this argument by continually ignoring objective facts" strategy.

[celticsclay]

I don't think Stevens get it because of the media bias against Boston.   I think it mike go to the Houston Coach.

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year

I too, don't like it when the NBA calls people rookies that are not in their first year.   It is a rule they made up to make number picks favored to win the rookie of the year for the their propaganda machine and little more.

Those guys got professional trainers, weight training and a year for their body to grow and mature and have a huge edge over the other rookies.   The NBA needs to stop this practice now.  They are not true rookies no matter what the NBA or Celticsclay says.   I am with Moranis on this one!

For the record I dont think Simmons is a rookie for all the reasons you listed. Furthermore he could have actually played last season but didn't for non basketball reasons

[Granath]

Koz,

You may think I'm being condescending to you. You're right. It's because you must think we're stupid to put forth such an absurd argument and try to defend it by ignoring every single metric and fact.

FACT: After the trade deadline, PHI's roster averages 24.35 years. BOS's roster averages 24.38 years. There is no substantial difference in age between the two rosters. And no, Greg Monroe doesn't change this metric enough to matter.
Source: https://herosports.com/nba/oldest-and-youngest-nba-teams-byby

FACT: The 76ers have put forth a MORE experienced roster on the floor this year than the Celtics.
Source: NBA Reference

This one is the shocker. Even if we evaluate Embiid as a 1st year player - which he's not - the 76ers experienced bench more than makes up for our starters. It's simple. Take the number of years of NBA experience and multiple that by their minutes on the court. That's the experience factor. So again, the formula is simply # of NBA Seasons x Minutes This Year.

The 76ers have had 80,278 minutes of experience on the court. This is led by JJ Reddicks' 11 years of experience and 1,936 minutes of court time (good for 4th on the 76ers) and Amir Johnson's 1,013 minutes and 12 years experience.

The Celtics have had 72,815 minutes of experience on the court, led by Al Horford's 2,120 minutes and 10 years. Irving is a distant 2nd (1,931 and 6 years).

Argue with the methodology all you want but the 76ers have put forth a more experienced roster on the court this year than the Celtics and that's with the methodology being favorable to the 76ers.

FACT: The Celtics have lost far more games and minutes to injury this year. At least 4 and probably 5 of the 7ers top 6 in minutes per game will have more than 70 games played and the others are in the 60s. The Celtics will have 2, maybe 3 on an outside chance. You can also look at the man games lost for other data.

FACT: The Celtics had more turnover in the off season, both in minutes and in personnel. The Celtics returned only 4 players from their previous roster who had played a total of 7,196 minutes the prior year. The 76ers returned 7 who had played 10,068 minutes the year before.

FACT: The Celtics are up by 7 games in the standings.

The only logical basis for your argument is that the 76ers have improved by more wins. Why wouldn't they? They're fielding a more experienced team, returned more players and purposely tanked the year before. Brett Brown has dealt with an exceptionally stable situation and had no where to go but up.

Brad, on the other hand, will (almost certainly) improve the win total while returning a scant few of his previous roster, dealt with more injuries, had to play a less experienced team and handled the higher expectations. The fact that he was already a winning coach shouldn't penalize him. That you think coaching a team in such circumstances to 55 wins would somehow be easy shows just how little you know about the game of basketball.

/thread

[KGs Knee]

Our regular lineup is Brown, Tatum, Horford, Irving, Smart and Morris. That's the first 6 guys in MINUTED PLAYED (you know, the guys who are actually on the basketball court the most) who - if we're lucky - will average about 65 games each. Mostly available? Sure. But let's not pretend that's an outstanding number of games played by anyone. That's a lot of lost games even before adding in Hayward's 81 lost.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here either.

The Celtics most used lineup this season, in terms of both games played and minutes played per game, has been Baynes-Horford-Tatum-Brown-Irving. That is the 5 man group that has spent the most time on the court together this season. It is also the lineup that has started the most games this season.

Baynes has played in the 3rd most games this season and has been a regular part of the starting lineup all season. Excluding him form being part of the "regular" lineup makes little sense to me.

[celticsclay]

Koz,

You may think I'm being condescending to you. You're right. It's because you must think we're stupid to put forth such an absurd argument and try to defend it by ignoring every single metric and fact.

FACT: After the trade deadline, PHI's roster averages 24.35 years. BOS's roster averages 24.38 years. There is no substantial difference in age between the two rosters. And no, Greg Monroe doesn't change this metric enough to matter.
Source: https://herosports.com/nba/oldest-and-youngest-nba-teams-byby

FACT: The 76ers have put forth a MORE experienced roster on the floor this year than the Celtics.
Source: NBA Reference

This one is the shocker. Even if we evaluate Embiid as a 1st year player - which he's not - the 76ers experienced bench more than makes up for our starters. It's simple. Take the number of years of NBA experience and multiple that by their minutes on the court. That's the experience factor. So again, the formula is simply # of NBA Seasons x Minutes This Year.

The 76ers have had 80,278 minutes of experience on the court. This is led by JJ Reddicks' 11 years of experience and 1,936 minutes of court time (good for 4th on the 76ers) and Amir Johnson's 1,013 minutes and 12 years experience.

The Celtics have had 72,815 minutes of experience on the court, led by Al Horford's 2,120 minutes and 10 years. Irving is a distant 2nd (1,931 and 6 years).

Argue with the methodology all you want but the 76ers have put forth a more experienced roster on the court this year than the Celtics and that's with the methodology being favorable to the 76ers.

FACT: The Celtics have lost far more games and minutes to injury this year. At least 4 and probably 5 of the 7ers top 6 in minutes per game will have more than 70 games played and the others are in the 60s. The Celtics will have 2, maybe 3 on an outside chance. You can also look at the man games lost for other data.

FACT: The Celtics had more turnover in the off season, both in minutes and in personnel. The Celtics returned only 4 players from their previous roster who had played a total of 7,196 minutes the prior year. The 76ers returned 7 who had played 10,068 minutes the year before.

FACT: The Celtics are up by 7 games in the standings.

The only logical basis for your argument is that the 76ers have improved by more wins. Why wouldn't they? They're fielding a more experienced team, returned more players and purposely tanked the year before. Brett Brown has dealt with an exceptionally stable situation and had no where to go but up.

Brad, on the other hand, will (almost certainly) improve the win total while returning a scant few of his previous roster, dealt with more injuries, had to play a less experienced team and handled the higher expectations. The fact that he was already a winning coach shouldn't penalize him. That you think coaching a team in such circumstances to 55 wins would somehow be easy shows just how little you know about the game of basketball.

/thread

Thank you. Hopefully this stops the madness of ignoring who the Celtics are actually playing.

[moiso]

I don't think Stevens get it because of the media bias against Boston.   I think it mike go to the Houston Coach.

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year

I too, don't like it when the NBA calls people rookies that are not in their first year.   It is a rule they made up to make number picks favored to win the rookie of the year for the their propaganda machine and little more.

Those guys got professional trainers, weight training and a year for their body to grow and mature and have a huge edge over the other rookies.   The NBA needs to stop this practice now.  They are not true rookies no matter what the NBA or Celticsclay says.   I am with Moranis on this one!

But if a guy stays in college an extra year he still gets an extra year lifting with a trainer and another year for his body to grow.

[hpantazo]

Stevens showing everyone why he's COY tonight, beating Casey head to head without several of our best players.

[Eja117]

If Stevens doesn't win we can all laugh and laugh. If he does the trophy should be handed to him by Captain Obvious from the hotels commercials. Stevens will probably be like "Thanks" and walk away

[Tr1boy]

Will be one of the top 3

but Nate McMillan probably wins it

[SparzWizard]

I don't think Stevens get it because of the media bias against Boston.   I think it mike go to the Houston Coach.

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year

I too, don't like it when the NBA calls people rookies that are not in their first year.   It is a rule they made up to make number picks favored to win the rookie of the year for the their propaganda machine and little more.

Those guys got professional trainers, weight training and a year for their body to grow and mature and have a huge edge over the other rookies.   The NBA needs to stop this practice now.  They are not true rookies no matter what the NBA or Celticsclay says.   I am with Moranis on this one!

But if a guy stays in college an extra year he still gets an extra year lifting with a trainer and another year for his body to grow.

But college and NBA are very different leagues.

[Ilikesports17]

Brad is the favorite at this point. Casey had a substantial lead on him about 2 weeks ago but I think Brad has made up the ground.

Plenty of other coaches have done an unbelievable job, but Brad has been the best.

[hpantazo]

Brad is the favorite at this point. Casey had a substantial lead on him about 2 weeks ago but I think Brad has made up the ground.

Plenty of other coaches have done an unbelievable job, but Brad has been the best.

If this winning streak with half of our roster out, including a win over Casey and the Raptors, doesn't seal it for Brad, then the COY award is meaningless.