Stevens IS THE Coach of the year

[celticsclay]

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games.

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

You are really twisting some stats here to try and make a point that really isn't accurate. If you asked anyone to rank our players in order of importance it would go something like

Irving
Horford
Smart
Tatum/Brown
Morris
Rozier

Of those guys Irving, Smart, Morris, Brown have already missed 10+ games. Horford has missed 8 already and missed the last game with injury. There is just no way to pretend that this isn't a really unhealthy team.

With your philly stuff, you are just digging your own grave here (and sharing inaccurate numbers in the process) Where are you getting this .75 years stat from? Covington is 27 and in his 5th year, Embiid is 24 and in his 4th season. Saric in his second season (but is 2.5 years older than a second year player like brown cause he was playing professionally in europe) Only Simmons is actually rookie. Than if you look at the amount of rookies they are actually playing? It is just one, Simmons. Their bench is actually grizzled vets in Johnson, Bellinelli and Illasova.

The Celtics on this incredible west coast swing have been winning with starting two rookies, and playing Nader and Semi two other rookies legit minutes off the bench. Just enjoy the incredible job Stevens has gone on them and stop all the mental gymnastics and twisted stats to discount it. Its worth enjoying!

[GreenWarrior]

I could give 2 craps weather stevens is coach of the yr. who cares? awards are meaningless... 

[Granath]

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

Um, there are SEVEN games left, not twelve. I guess you missed that too.

As for the core guys, in MPG the top 3 and 5 of the top 6 will almost certainly have missed more than 10 games (this doesn't even include Hayward). So much for your "core players have suited up" theory...unless you consider missing on average about 20 games each is somehow a good thing.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

Again, that's already been debunked. There's only rookie putting time on the court for that team. For much of the season, our bench has consisted of almost exclusively of 2nd round rookies, a castoff reclamation project who was out of the NBA entirely, a 25 euro with overseas experience and a dancing bear as the other bench guys were pressed into starting roles.

[Moranis]

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games.

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

You are really twisting some stats here to try and make a point that really isn't accurate. If you asked anyone to rank our players in order of importance it would go something like

Irving
Horford
Smart
Tatum/Brown
Morris
Rozier

Of those guys Irving, Smart, Morris, Brown have already missed 10+ games. Horford has missed 8 already and missed the last game with injury. There is just no way to pretend that this isn't a really unhealthy team.

With your philly stuff, you are just digging your own grave here (and sharing inaccurate numbers in the process) Where are you getting this .75 years stat from? Covington is 27 and in his 5th year, Embiid is 24 and in his 4th season. Saric in his second season (but is 2.5 years older than a second year player like brown cause he was playing professionally in europe) Only Simmons is actually rookie. Than if you look at the amount of rookies they are actually playing? It is just one, Simmons. Their bench is actually grizzled vets in Johnson, Bellinelli and Illasova.

The Celtics on this incredible west coast swing have been winning with starting two rookies, and playing Nader and Semi two other rookies legit minutes off the bench. Just enjoy the incredible job Stevens has gone on them and stop all the mental gymnastics and twisted stats to discount it. Its worth enjoying!

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year, though your larger point remains.

[kozlodoev]

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

Um, there are SEVEN games left, not twelve. I guess you missed that too.

Ok, you got me. Jaylen Brown will only play in 71 games even if he starts every single game between now and the end of season.

As a curious aside, I distinctly remember having conversations about giving max contracts to guys like Hayward, Irving and Anthony Davis who routinely turn in seasons with workload in the low 70s... and there was a school of thought that it was fine and one wouldn't want your main guys to play so many games either way. Tsk-tsk.

As for the core guys, in MPG the top 3 and 5 of the top 6 will almost certainly have missed more than 10 games (this doesn't even include Hayward). So much for your "core players have suited up" theory...unless you consider missing on average about 20 games each is somehow a good thing.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Our regular lineup is Irving, Brown, Tatum, Horford and Baynes. Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Baynes have mostly been available this season.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

Again, that's already been debunked. There's only rookie putting time on the court for that team. For much of the season, our bench has consisted of almost exclusively of 2nd round rookies, a castoff reclamation project who was out of the NBA entirely, a 25 euro with overseas experience and a dancing bear as the other bench guys were pressed into starting roles.

I don't know what's being "debunked" and how. That Brett Brown has worked largely with a roster that has little to no real NBA experience is a fact, no matter how you choose to interpret Simmons and Embiid's redshirt years. This discussion isn't about whether Ben Simmons should be eligible for the ROY vote...

[celticsclay]

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

Um, there are SEVEN games left, not twelve. I guess you missed that too.

Ok, you got me. Jaylen Brown will only play in 71 games even if he starts every single game between now and the end of season.

As a curious aside, I distinctly remember having conversations about giving max contracts to guys like Hayward, Irving and Anthony Davis who routinely turn in seasons with workload in the low 70s... and there was a school of thought that it was fine and one wouldn't want your main guys to play so many games either way. Tsk-tsk.

As for the core guys, in MPG the top 3 and 5 of the top 6 will almost certainly have missed more than 10 games (this doesn't even include Hayward). So much for your "core players have suited up" theory...unless you consider missing on average about 20 games each is somehow a good thing.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Our regular lineup is Irving, Brown, Tatum, Horford and Baynes. Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Baynes have mostly been available this season.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

Again, that's already been debunked. There's only rookie putting time on the court for that team. For much of the season, our bench has consisted of almost exclusively of 2nd round rookies, a castoff reclamation project who was out of the NBA entirely, a 25 euro with overseas experience and a dancing bear as the other bench guys were pressed into starting roles.

I don't know what's being "debunked" and how. That Brett Brown has worked largely with a roster that has little to no real NBA experience is a fact, no matter how you choose to interpret Simmons and Embiid's redshirt years. This discussion isn't about whether Ben Simmons should be eligible for the ROY vote...

Acting like the Celtics are not playing a significantly younger team with their injuries right now than the 76ers. Yes that has been completely debunked.You should frankly have a little pride and admit you were wrong and move along. Since you haven't and are still arguing this I will spell it out again here.

Will their winning ways the last few months that you think should get Brett Brown coach of the year they have been playing 9 guys consistent minutes with these ages

Reddick 33
Covington 27
Embiid 24
Bellenelli 32
McConnell 26
Saric 24
Johnson 30
Simmons 21
Illasova 30

This isn't an old team by any stretch of the imagination, but it is not the same league as our recent west coast trip that prompted this thread where our rotation has been

Brown 21
Tatum 20
Yabu 22
Baynes 31
Larkin 25
Ojeleye 23
Rozier 24
Nader 24
Monroe 27

Please stop acting like these are equivalent things. The 76ers are playing 1 redshirt rookie and one second year guy that played professionally a few years (i don't consider Theis a normal rookie either for the record)

[kozlodoev]

Please stop acting like these are equivalent things. The 76ers are playing 1 redshirt rookie and one second year guy that played professionally a few years (i don't consider Theis a normal rookie either for the record)

Oh, these are not equivalent things. They're not even in the same stratosphere. Over the course of the year, the 76ers have given 10,000+ minutes (nearly 60% of team total) to five guys with a total of 8 years of NBA experience and an average age of 23 years and change (and that's driven up by the fact that Covington is old for a player with 4-year tenure). If you think that relying on multiple 23-year-old starters with little in terms of actual NBA experience is easier than having to use the scrubs on the end of the bench more than you'd like... well, then you probably also think that Brad Stevens is head and shoulders above all other coaches in the NBA.

Also, let's not pretend that Saric, who came over aged 22, was some sort of grizzled veteran when he made the move. He was pretty much the age of a college senior and had played in the grand total of 60 games for second-rate EuroLeague clubs.

[celticsclay]

Please stop acting like these are equivalent things. The 76ers are playing 1 redshirt rookie and one second year guy that played professionally a few years (i don't consider Theis a normal rookie either for the record)

Oh, these are not equivalent things. They're not even in the same stratosphere. Over the course of the year, the 76ers have given 10,000+ minutes (nearly 60% of team total) to five guys with a total of 8 years of NBA experience and an average age of 23 years and change (and that's driven up by the fact that Covington is old for a player with 4-year tenure). If you think that relying on multiple 23-year-old starters with little in terms of actual NBA experience is easier than having to use the scrubs on the end of the bench more than you'd like... well, then you probably also think that Brad Stevens is head and shoulders above all other coaches in the NBA.

Also, let's not pretend that Saric, who came over aged 22, was some sort of grizzled veteran when he made the move. He was pretty much the age of a college senior and had played in the grand total of 60 games for second-rate EuroLeague clubs.

jesus dude this is the point:

Reddick 33
Covington 27
Embiid 24
Bellenelli 32
McConnell 26
Saric 24
Johnson 30
Simmons 21
Illasova 30

This isn't an old team by any stretch of the imagination, but it is not the same league as our recent west coast trip that prompted this thread where our rotation has been

Brown 21
Tatum 20
Yabu 22
Baynes 31
Larkin 25
Ojeleye 23
Rozier 24
Nader 24
Monroe 27

This is what we were debating. The premise of this thread is this road trip should solidify him as coach of the work because it has been absolutely incredible. This is what we are playing on this road trip. This is what the 76ers have been playing when they have been the last 6 weeks or whatever. That is the comparison. I don't really understand how you are not getting this... willfully ignorant or what?

[celticsclay]

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games.

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

You are really twisting some stats here to try and make a point that really isn't accurate. If you asked anyone to rank our players in order of importance it would go something like

Irving
Horford
Smart
Tatum/Brown
Morris
Rozier

Of those guys Irving, Smart, Morris, Brown have already missed 10+ games. Horford has missed 8 already and missed the last game with injury. There is just no way to pretend that this isn't a really unhealthy team.

With your philly stuff, you are just digging your own grave here (and sharing inaccurate numbers in the process) Where are you getting this .75 years stat from? Covington is 27 and in his 5th year, Embiid is 24 and in his 4th season. Saric in his second season (but is 2.5 years older than a second year player like brown cause he was playing professionally in europe) Only Simmons is actually rookie. Than if you look at the amount of rookies they are actually playing? It is just one, Simmons. Their bench is actually grizzled vets in Johnson, Bellinelli and Illasova.

The Celtics on this incredible west coast swing have been winning with starting two rookies, and playing Nader and Semi two other rookies legit minutes off the bench. Just enjoy the incredible job Stevens has gone on them and stop all the mental gymnastics and twisted stats to discount it. Its worth enjoying!

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year, though your larger point remains.

Calling Embiid a second year player at this point is pretty absurd. His rookie scale contracts expires in two months and he is maxing a vet maximum next season. I don't think any of us are going to say Hayward is doing his 8th season over again next year cause he didn't play this year. I called Simmons a rookie to avoid having this derail into a whole should he be eligible for ROY debate, but there isn't even an argument for Embiid being a second year player. Some really strange takes by Koz in this thread.

[gouki88]

Please stop acting like these are equivalent things. The 76ers are playing 1 redshirt rookie and one second year guy that played professionally a few years (i don't consider Theis a normal rookie either for the record)

Oh, these are not equivalent things. They're not even in the same stratosphere. Over the course of the year, the 76ers have given 10,000+ minutes (nearly 60% of team total) to five guys with a total of 8 years of NBA experience and an average age of 23 years and change (and that's driven up by the fact that Covington is old for a player with 4-year tenure). If you think that relying on multiple 23-year-old starters with little in terms of actual NBA experience is easier than having to use the scrubs on the end of the bench more than you'd like... well, then you probably also think that Brad Stevens is head and shoulders above all other coaches in the NBA.

Also, let's not pretend that Saric, who came over aged 22, was some sort of grizzled veteran when he made the move. He was pretty much the age of a college senior and had played in the grand total of 60 games for second-rate EuroLeague clubs.

Cringeworthy stubbornness

[Moranis]

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games.

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

You are really twisting some stats here to try and make a point that really isn't accurate. If you asked anyone to rank our players in order of importance it would go something like

Irving
Horford
Smart
Tatum/Brown
Morris
Rozier

Of those guys Irving, Smart, Morris, Brown have already missed 10+ games. Horford has missed 8 already and missed the last game with injury. There is just no way to pretend that this isn't a really unhealthy team.

With your philly stuff, you are just digging your own grave here (and sharing inaccurate numbers in the process) Where are you getting this .75 years stat from? Covington is 27 and in his 5th year, Embiid is 24 and in his 4th season. Saric in his second season (but is 2.5 years older than a second year player like brown cause he was playing professionally in europe) Only Simmons is actually rookie. Than if you look at the amount of rookies they are actually playing? It is just one, Simmons. Their bench is actually grizzled vets in Johnson, Bellinelli and Illasova.

The Celtics on this incredible west coast swing have been winning with starting two rookies, and playing Nader and Semi two other rookies legit minutes off the bench. Just enjoy the incredible job Stevens has gone on them and stop all the mental gymnastics and twisted stats to discount it. Its worth enjoying!

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year, though your larger point remains.

Calling Embiid a second year player at this point is pretty absurd. His rookie scale contracts expires in two months and he is maxing a vet maximum next season. I don't think any of us are going to say Hayward is doing his 8th season over again next year cause he didn't play this year. I called Simmons a rookie to avoid having this derail into a whole should he be eligible for ROY debate, but there isn't even an argument for Embiid being a second year player. Some really strange takes by Koz in this thread.

take it up with the NBA who called Embiid a rookie last year. You don't jump from your rookie year to year 4 in one off season.  Embiid is in his 2nd year according to the only entity that matters

[green_bballers13]

My order:

D'Antoni
Casey
Stevens

[celticsclay]

You also missed the important part of his post. Kyrie for 60 games. Morris for 49. Smart for 54. Every single player but Rozier, Tatum and maybe Horford has missed more than 10 games.

If every one of our starters (not named Irving) plays in just 8 of the remaining 12 games, all of them would have played at least 72 games this season. So yeah, we've had a good amount of injuries, but most of the core players have suited up most of the time.

A bench almost entirely comprised of rookies. When you take all of that into account this team could have easily sunk into chaos. We've had rookies play 26% of the minutes this year. That's an astounding number for a 50 win team and that's due to Brad.

If you think a bench consisting entirely of rookies is such a big issue, I don't see how you dispute Brett Brown's impending COY award, given that he's about to win close to 50 games with a starting lineup featuring 4 guys with an average of 0.75 years of NBA experience and a roster with 10 guys who've been in the NBA for less than two years.

You are really twisting some stats here to try and make a point that really isn't accurate. If you asked anyone to rank our players in order of importance it would go something like

Irving
Horford
Smart
Tatum/Brown
Morris
Rozier

Of those guys Irving, Smart, Morris, Brown have already missed 10+ games. Horford has missed 8 already and missed the last game with injury. There is just no way to pretend that this isn't a really unhealthy team.

With your philly stuff, you are just digging your own grave here (and sharing inaccurate numbers in the process) Where are you getting this .75 years stat from? Covington is 27 and in his 5th year, Embiid is 24 and in his 4th season. Saric in his second season (but is 2.5 years older than a second year player like brown cause he was playing professionally in europe) Only Simmons is actually rookie. Than if you look at the amount of rookies they are actually playing? It is just one, Simmons. Their bench is actually grizzled vets in Johnson, Bellinelli and Illasova.

The Celtics on this incredible west coast swing have been winning with starting two rookies, and playing Nader and Semi two other rookies legit minutes off the bench. Just enjoy the incredible job Stevens has gone on them and stop all the mental gymnastics and twisted stats to discount it. Its worth enjoying!

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year, though your larger point remains.

Calling Embiid a second year player at this point is pretty absurd. His rookie scale contracts expires in two months and he is maxing a vet maximum next season. I don't think any of us are going to say Hayward is doing his 8th season over again next year cause he didn't play this year. I called Simmons a rookie to avoid having this derail into a whole should he be eligible for ROY debate, but there isn't even an argument for Embiid being a second year player. Some really strange takes by Koz in this thread.

take it up with the NBA who called Embiid a rookie last year. You don't jump from your rookie year to year 4 in one off season.  Embiid is in his 2nd year according to the only entity that matters

Moranis do you even disagree with what I am arguing here or are you making a side argument? The debate was comparing the celtics team of this west coast trip to the slicers of last 6 weeks

[Celtics4ever]

I don't think Stevens get it because of the media bias against Boston.   I think it mike go to the Houston Coach.

If Simmons is a rookie, then Embiid is only in his 2nd year

I too, don't like it when the NBA calls people rookies that are not in their first year.   It is a rule they made up to make number picks favored to win the rookie of the year for the their propaganda machine and little more.

Those guys got professional trainers, weight training and a year for their body to grow and mature and have a huge edge over the other rookies.   The NBA needs to stop this practice now.  They are not true rookies no matter what the NBA or Celticsclay says.   I am with Moranis on this one!

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't think Stevens get it because of the media bias against Boston.   I think it mike go to the Houston Coach.



yup agree .  Media bias .   D Antoni probally should get it ....he has got them playing together and CP3 serious .......like in we re not letting Lebron come in and boss our coach and change our team to accomidate the diva wants.

I can live with Coach D as COY . 

I could coach the raptors . 

CBS has the most difficult job day in and out having a game plan with rookies , his stars always out , and still posts a decent winning record......but the national Media hates Boston