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Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2018, 05:18:36 PM »

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Don't see why people would suggest trading Rozier this offseason for a 2017 draft pick. Next year this is a contending team. They will need all the great players they can get to win a title, Rozier included. And since we own him on cheap money and can match or sign and trade him the following year, you keep him for the title run.

We are no longer in the development stage of bringing more and more rookies on board to develop. We are developing a ton of players right now. This team doesn't need to try to develop another in a contending year by giving up a possible 6th Man of the Year candidate.

BTW, trading Kyrie because we have Rozier is just silly talk.

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2018, 05:44:03 PM »

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Don't see why people would suggest trading Rozier this offseason for a 2017 draft pick. Next year this is a contending team. They will need all the great players they can get to win a title, Rozier included. And since we own him on cheap money and can match or sign and trade him the following year, you keep him for the title run.

We are no longer in the development stage of bringing more and more rookies on board to develop. We are developing a ton of players right now. This team doesn't need to try to develop another in a contending year by giving up a possible 6th Man of the Year candidate.

BTW, trading Kyrie because we have Rozier is just silly talk.

The reason is Gordon Hayward is back next year, and he's taking 32 minutes from someone. Irving, Brown and Tatum aren't giving up any.  Unless we run into another rash of injuries, either Smart or Rozier is barely going to play next year. The likelihood is that keeping both Smart and Rozier means devaluing one of them.

There are 5 outstanding centers/power forwards at the top of this year's draft. It's a truly unique opportunity to get an young athletic two-way big, which is the last piece we need to secure for the long term.

The top two, Ayton and Bagley, are not advanced defensively, but the other three, Bamba, Jackson and Carter, are excellent defenders and rim protectors. We are more likely to get a shot at one of those three, and any of them would probably be a foundational player.

In 2019, it does not look right now like there are any elite bigs.

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2018, 05:45:45 PM »

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The big contracts are going Brown and Tatum.  Smart's situation this summer will determine how Terry plays out.  Fact is, if we re-sign Marcus on a good deal, gotta deal Terry for a player that can fit into the time line under team control for longer than 1 season.  Can't let Rozier walk for nothing.

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2018, 05:50:53 PM »

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Don't see why people would suggest trading Rozier this offseason for a 2017 draft pick. Next year this is a contending team. They will need all the great players they can get to win a title, Rozier included. And since we own him on cheap money and can match or sign and trade him the following year, you keep him for the title run.

We are no longer in the development stage of bringing more and more rookies on board to develop. We are developing a ton of players right now. This team doesn't need to try to develop another in a contending year by giving up a possible 6th Man of the Year candidate.

BTW, trading Kyrie because we have Rozier is just silly talk.

The reason is Gordon Hayward is back next year, and he's taking 32 minutes from someone. Irving, Brown and Tatum aren't giving up any.  Unless we run into another rash of injuries, either Smart or Rozier is barely going to play next year. The likelihood is that keeping both Smart and Rozier means devaluing one of them.

There are 5 outstanding centers/power forwards at the top of this year's draft. It's a truly unique opportunity to get an young athletic two-way big, which is the last piece we need to secure for the long term.

The top two, Ayton and Bagley, are not advanced defensively, but the other three, Bamba, Jackson and Carter, are excellent defenders and rim protectors. We are more likely to get a shot at one of those three, and any of them would probably be a foundational player.

In 2019, it does not look right now like there are any elite bigs.
Or Stevens will manage all the minutes and somehow get everyone 20+ minutes. If you're cutting minutes my guess is you see Tatum playing tons more 4, Smart playing more wing, Baynes or Monroe's minutes being gone completely and Semi and Yabu barely playing. That gets all the good players minutes.

Also, if you think Rozier and a bunch of picks are getting you into this year's top five, I have a bridge to sell you in south Florida. Great view of wildlife.

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2018, 06:05:04 PM »

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don't like smart and his crappy career 480 ts% and high usage rate. rozier has way higher upside.

my dream is turn rozier to enough of an asset that he be packaged with brown and picks for kawhi.

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Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2018, 07:09:40 PM »

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Amazing how fast this flipped. Over the summer (and even after the season started) there was a lot of talk about how the C's should trade Smart because Rozier could fill a similar role but won't be as expensive to retain in free agency. The season isn't even over yet and now it's starting to feel like it could be the exact opposite.
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Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2018, 08:12:57 PM »

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don't like smart and his crappy career 480 ts% and high usage rate. rozier has way higher upside.

my dream is turn rozier to enough of an asset that he be packaged with brown and picks for kawhi.

If Rozier can sustain his great play as a starter throughout the rest of the season and be a big contributor in the playoffs..... who says no to Kawhi for Brown/Rozier/Kings pick?
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Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2018, 08:20:48 PM »

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don't like smart and his crappy career 480 ts% and high usage rate. rozier has way higher upside.

my dream is turn rozier to enough of an asset that he be packaged with brown and picks for kawhi.

If Rozier can sustain his great play as a starter throughout the rest of the season and be a big contributor in the playoffs..... who says no to Kawhi for Brown/Rozier/Kings pick?

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Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2018, 08:21:07 PM »

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don't like smart and his crappy career 480 ts% and high usage rate. rozier has way higher upside.

my dream is turn rozier to enough of an asset that he be packaged with brown and picks for kawhi.

If Rozier can sustain his great play as a starter throughout the rest of the season and be a big contributor in the playoffs..... who says no to Kawhi for Brown/Rozier/Kings pick?
Probably San Antonio.

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2018, 08:22:17 PM »

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don't like smart and his crappy career 480 ts% and high usage rate. rozier has way higher upside.

my dream is turn rozier to enough of an asset that he be packaged with brown and picks for kawhi.
Terry Rozier has a career .493 TS

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2018, 08:29:30 PM »

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don't like smart and his crappy career 480 ts% and high usage rate. rozier has way higher upside.

my dream is turn rozier to enough of an asset that he be packaged with brown and picks for kawhi.
Terry Rozier has a career .493 TS
Yeah, except Smart's TS% has been stagnant for 4 years whereas Rozier's TS% has increased by large amounts each  from .326 to .466 to .532. He's been at .582 since the All-Star break. Rozy's TS% shows great growth.

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2018, 10:49:25 PM »

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don't like smart and his crappy career 480 ts% and high usage rate. rozier has way higher upside.

my dream is turn rozier to enough of an asset that he be packaged with brown and picks for kawhi.

If Rozier can sustain his great play as a starter throughout the rest of the season and be a big contributor in the playoffs..... who says no to Kawhi for Brown/Rozier/Kings pick?
Probably San Antonio.


IF, and nobody truly knows at this point, Kawhi no longer wants to play in SA and the damage is beyond repair, what team would they get more from?

Philly? Maybe, but the conversation has to start with either Embiid or Simmons. Fultz won’t cut it IMO. Unless they somehow get the top pick from the Lakers, I don’t think they can swing it.

I don’t see a team that can give up enough talent and still be competitive enough with Kawhi.

Celtics are a 55-win team WITHOUT Gordon Hayward and have plenty of assets to deal. They can afford to give up impact players and lottery picks. I think last offseason Ainge played his first hand. This offseason he will do it again imo.

It’s nice to have a deep team, but in the playoffs the cream rises to the top and you need multiple superstars.
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Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2018, 12:40:32 AM »

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I'm reluctant to spend on Kawhi. Would prefer a player who communicates well with the team.
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Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2018, 01:49:40 AM »

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ok fine

Re: Terry Rozier
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2018, 02:40:54 AM »

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Another Terry Rozier thread  ??? We could probably merge this with the "are there any Terry Rozier fans left" thread lol  ;D


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