Kyrie knee issue update: Could be out the whole week

[KGBirdBias]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

[Erik]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

[green_bballers13]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

[Ilikesports17]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

[KG Living Legend]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

 I like Harden, but better than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, not sure about that.

[Redz]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

While the ball did move well, the Bulls weren't exactly maxing out on defensive effort.

[nickagneta]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Actually the ball has been moving great since the All-Star break, with and without Kyrie.

[Ilikesports17]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

 I like Harden, but better than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, not sure about that.

Those guys are all better players, but strictly talking isolation scoring? I think I'm taking Harden.

[green_bballers13]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

 I like Harden, but better than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, not sure about that.

Those guys are all better players, but strictly talking isolation scoring? I think I'm taking Harden.

I love that he leads the league in FTA and 3PTA.

[Snakehead]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

I think you are watching one game against an awful team to say that.  I think Kyrie has not dominated the ball this year.  He has been very willing to give it up, especially if teams are doubling him hard.  Against better teams the problem is often no one else can make a play off the dribble or make a nice pass to get someone else an easy bucket.

There have been some times where I think he is dominating the ball this year and usually those were the times he was going off.  I think he could do it more often even.  But I think he is playing within the system mostly.  My only times where I have had any issues were in close games but at the same time, as I said, we don't really have guys that help you in those close moments off the dribble.  It's all on him.  And he has come through in the clutch most times.


All that being said, I will say the ball movement and execution of sets has been great after the All Star break, with everyone.  But Kyrie was in that mix just fine through the whole thing, and mostly had great games.  No complaints.

[Androslav]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams play well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, DeRozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

 I like Harden, but better than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, not sure about that.

Those guys are all better players, but strictly talking isolation scoring? I think I'm taking Harden.

I love that he leads the league in FTA and 3PTA.

FTM and 3PM too.
I think he is a better offensive player than Kobe was. He is a better passer, better penetrator, better in ISO, has better range on his jumper. He is leading a historic offense, something that Kobies teams could never approach, even on Shaq's teams.
Defensively it is another story, at least for something like Kobes first 12-13 years.
After that, he had the reputation, but no existing defensive stopper ability.

[Ilikesports17]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

 I like Harden, but better than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, not sure about that.

Those guys are all better players, but strictly talking isolation scoring? I think I'm taking Harden.

I love that he leads the league in FTA and 3PTA.

He also leads the league in ISO scoring. He scores more points from ISO than any other team in the NBA and does it in the 98th percentile of efficiency. He is a remarkable ISO player. His combination of strength, handle, savvy(the free throws), and a lethal jumper is pretty much unstoppable in isolation.

[iadera]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Not so sure. We got Morris. When he gets the ball, even river doesn't flow anymore.

[RockinRyA]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

 I like Harden, but better than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, not sure about that.

Those guys are all better players, but strictly talking isolation scoring? I think I'm taking Harden.

I love that he leads the league in FTA and 3PTA.

He also leads the league in ISO scoring. He scores more points from ISO than any other team in the NBA and does it in the 98th percentile of efficiency. He is a remarkable ISO player. His combination of strength, handle, savvy(the free throws), and a lethal jumper is pretty much unstoppable in isolation.

I dunno about that, its a different era, too hard to judge with all these 3 pointers and no handcheck. Harden is so hard to guard because of foul trouble, and I believe different players had already noticed how he is officiated differently.

[Sophomore]

I'm not trying to start trouble but has anyone noticed how well the ball moves when Kyrie is out.

I think the teams plays well in 2-3 game stretches but ultimately we need Kyrie.

Sure. The ball also moved better when it was out of Jordan's hands. I'd rather have it in exactly Kyrie's hands at all times.

Yeah, he's one of the many ball hogs in the league. Other ball dominant players: Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Derozan, Lillard, Ben Simmons, Kemba.... Basically, the guys you want on your team.,

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Harden holds the ball for an average of 9 seconds, while Kyrie has it for 6 seconds.

Harden also might be the greatest ISO player in the last 20 years.

 I like Harden, but better than Kobe, LeBron, Wade, not sure about that.

Those guys are all better players, but strictly talking isolation scoring? I think I'm taking Harden.

I love that he leads the league in FTA and 3PTA.

He also leads the league in ISO scoring. He scores more points from ISO than any other team in the NBA and does it in the 98th percentile of efficiency. He is a remarkable ISO player. His combination of strength, handle, savvy(the free throws), and a lethal jumper is pretty much unstoppable in isolation.

I dunno about that, its a different era, too hard to judge with all these 3 pointers and no handcheck. Harden is so hard to guard because of foul trouble, and I believe different players had already noticed how he is officiated differently.

Watching him in the last game against the Cs he didn't seem all that special, but obviously it's a one-game sample. I have to say that his game is not fun to watch. He relies a lot on manufacturing contact instead of putting the ball in the bucket. The contrast between his game and Kyrie's is enormous. If you judge by efficiency, Harden is better. But I wouldn't mind a few rule changes to take away some of the garbage fouls he draws.