Kyrie Threatened Season Ending Knee Surgery If Cavs Didn't Trade Him

[hpantazo]

I hate trade demands.  Just honor your contract.  If one of my players demanded a trade, and then threatened surgery, I'd void his contract and take it to an arbitrator.

But, so far Cleveland's loss seems to be our gain.

looking at the cavs this year and the potential of lebron leaving, do you blame him?

I "blame" everyone who doesn't honor their contract.  I don't think he should have done it, but if the owners and GMs are going to reward that type of behavior, I understand it.

Then is ownership not honoring their contract when they trade a player?  The player signed said contract with that team and city.  How do the contractual obligations of a team to a player only cover the payment considerations (you'll get paid, we just don't guarantee where), while a player's obligations to the organization cover both payment and team (you'll get paid and you must remain here)?

I don't like it when players try to renegotiate freshly-signed contracts or sabotage their effort to facilitate escape either.  But it seems kind of lame to have the Cavs try unsuccessfully to trade Kyrie and everything is cool, then Kyrie demands to be traded and he's a villain.

Since the contract and CBA allow for trades, of course a team is within its contractual rights to trade a player. There’s no such provision for demanding a trade, and threatening an unnecessary surgery unless a trade demand is met is a breach of contract.

^THIS^

You guys need to read the contracts and CBA. Trades aren’t a two-way street, which makes the “what about the owners” argument a non-starter.

Officially, legally, you are totally correct. Still, I have yet to see a team stand up to a star player who demanded a trade in the nba. I’m sure keeping some relationships with players agents plays a role
in it.

[Phantom255x]

At the end of the day, it all depends on two things.

1. Does Irving actually sign an extension here (Boston) long term in 2 years?

2. Does Cleveland win a Finals this year? (Or next assuming Lebron stays put)

If Irving doesn't sign an extension here (bolts) and/or Cavaliers win a Finals within the next two years with Isaiah and Crowder (maybe Zizic) having a role, then Celtics lose the trade. So far though, C's are slightly winning it, though it depends where that BKN pick lands and what happens with Zizic a few years down the line.

[Kevins Gamble]

I hate trade demands.  Just honor your contract.  If one of my players demanded a trade, and then threatened surgery, I'd void his contract and take it to an arbitrator.

But, so far Cleveland's loss seems to be our gain.

looking at the cavs this year and the potential of lebron leaving, do you blame him?

I "blame" everyone who doesn't honor their contract.  I don't think he should have done it, but if the owners and GMs are going to reward that type of behavior, I understand it.

Then is ownership not honoring their contract when they trade a player?  The player signed said contract with that team and city.  How do the contractual obligations of a team to a player only cover the payment considerations (you'll get paid, we just don't guarantee where), while a player's obligations to the organization cover both payment and team (you'll get paid and you must remain here)?

I don't like it when players try to renegotiate freshly-signed contracts or sabotage their effort to facilitate escape either.  But it seems kind of lame to have the Cavs try unsuccessfully to trade Kyrie and everything is cool, then Kyrie demands to be traded and he's a villain.

Since the contract and CBA allow for trades, of course a team is within its contractual rights to trade a player. There’s no such provision for demanding a trade, and threatening an unnecessary surgery unless a trade demand is met is a breach of contract.

^THIS^

You guys need to read the contracts and CBA. Trades aren’t a two-way street, which makes the “what about the owners” argument a non-starter.

We all understand that from a legal standing, the players hold the weak position in trades, etc.  But we're not really talking about that...are we?  You talked about "blaming" someone, which sounds more like public opinion.  Unless I'm wrong, you're not mad with player X because legal guidelines have been violated...but because as a fan, you feel the player is doing something wrong (being unfaithful to the contract they agreed to).

I'm saying that I don't blame a player demanding to leave a team that just tried to leave him (even if legally speaking, they don't have recourse).  The Celtics have every legal right (I assume) to try and trade Hayward to the Nuggets next week...but if it failed, would I "blame" Gordon if he demanded a trade back to the Jazz and considerably slowed down his rehab schedule in response?  Not really............

[CelticsQuestFor18]

At the end of the day, it all depends on two things.

1. Does Irving actually sign an extension here (Boston) long term in 2 years?

2. Does Cleveland win a Finals this year? (Or next assuming Lebron stays put)

If Irving doesn't sign an extension here (bolts) and/or Cavaliers win a Finals within the next two years with Isaiah and Crowder (maybe Zizic) having a role, then Celtics lose the trade. So far though, C's are slightly winning it, though it depends where that BKN pick lands and what happens with Zizic a few years down the line.

LOL I almost forgot about Zizic even being in that trade.

[Roy H.]

I hate trade demands.  Just honor your contract.  If one of my players demanded a trade, and then threatened surgery, I'd void his contract and take it to an arbitrator.

But, so far Cleveland's loss seems to be our gain.

looking at the cavs this year and the potential of lebron leaving, do you blame him?

I "blame" everyone who doesn't honor their contract.  I don't think he should have done it, but if the owners and GMs are going to reward that type of behavior, I understand it.

Then is ownership not honoring their contract when they trade a player?  The player signed said contract with that team and city.  How do the contractual obligations of a team to a player only cover the payment considerations (you'll get paid, we just don't guarantee where), while a player's obligations to the organization cover both payment and team (you'll get paid and you must remain here)?

I don't like it when players try to renegotiate freshly-signed contracts or sabotage their effort to facilitate escape either.  But it seems kind of lame to have the Cavs try unsuccessfully to trade Kyrie and everything is cool, then Kyrie demands to be traded and he's a villain.

Since the contract and CBA allow for trades, of course a team is within its contractual rights to trade a player. There’s no such provision for demanding a trade, and threatening an unnecessary surgery unless a trade demand is met is a breach of contract.

^THIS^

You guys need to read the contracts and CBA. Trades aren’t a two-way street, which makes the “what about the owners” argument a non-starter.

We all understand that from a legal standing, the players hold the weak position in trades, etc.  But we're not really talking about that...are we?  You talked about "blaming" someone, which sounds more like public opinion.  Unless I'm wrong, you're not mad with player X because legal guidelines have been violated...but because as a fan, you feel the player is doing something wrong (being unfaithful to the contract they agreed to).

I'm saying that I don't blame a player demanding to leave a team that just tried to leave him (even if legally speaking, they don't have recourse).  The Celtics have every legal right (I assume) to try and trade Hayward to the Nuggets next week...but if it failed, would I "blame" Gordon if he demanded a trade back to the Jazz and considerably slowed down his rehab schedule in response?  Not really............

Sure, you can have whatever opinion you want, for any reason. The argument you presented doesn’t make a ton of sense, though, since you couched it in “contractual obligations”.

And “blame” wasn’t my word.

[Phantom255x]

At the end of the day, it all depends on two things.

1. Does Irving actually sign an extension here (Boston) long term in 2 years?

2. Does Cleveland win a Finals this year? (Or next assuming Lebron stays put)

If Irving doesn't sign an extension here (bolts) and/or Cavaliers win a Finals within the next two years with Isaiah and Crowder (maybe Zizic) having a role, then Celtics lose the trade. So far though, C's are slightly winning it, though it depends where that BKN pick lands and what happens with Zizic a few years down the line.

LOL I almost forgot about Zizic even being in that trade.

I thought it was extremely and utterly ridiculous that they had to put Zizic in the trade as a "throw-in" (guy was projected to be a lottery pick in the previous draft according to most projections/draft experts), BUT it came to my attention from some on here that he HAD to be in the trade to make salaries work, so...

[playdream]

I hate trade demands.  Just honor your contract.  If one of my players demanded a trade, and then threatened surgery, I'd void his contract and take it to an arbitrator.

But, so far Cleveland's loss seems to be our gain.

looking at the cavs this year and the potential of lebron leaving, do you blame him?

I "blame" everyone who doesn't honor their contract.  I don't think he should have done it, but if the owners and GMs are going to reward that type of behavior, I understand it.

Then is ownership not honoring their contract when they trade a player?  The player signed said contract with that team and city.  How do the contractual obligations of a team to a player only cover the payment considerations (you'll get paid, we just don't guarantee where), while a player's obligations to the organization cover both payment and team (you'll get paid and you must remain here)?

I don't like it when players try to renegotiate freshly-signed contracts or sabotage their effort to facilitate escape either.  But it seems kind of lame to have the Cavs try unsuccessfully to trade Kyrie and everything is cool, then Kyrie demands to be traded and he's a villain.

Since the contract and CBA allow for trades, of course a team is within its contractual rights to trade a player. There’s no such provision for demanding a trade, and threatening an unnecessary surgery unless a trade demand is met is a breach of contract.

^THIS^

You guys need to read the contracts and CBA. Trades aren’t a two-way street, which makes the “what about the owners” argument a non-starter.

If the rules did not exclude demanding a trade or take surgery than it's all legal

[Roy H.]

I hate trade demands.  Just honor your contract.  If one of my players demanded a trade, and then threatened surgery, I'd void his contract and take it to an arbitrator.

But, so far Cleveland's loss seems to be our gain.

looking at the cavs this year and the potential of lebron leaving, do you blame him?

I "blame" everyone who doesn't honor their contract.  I don't think he should have done it, but if the owners and GMs are going to reward that type of behavior, I understand it.

Then is ownership not honoring their contract when they trade a player?  The player signed said contract with that team and city.  How do the contractual obligations of a team to a player only cover the payment considerations (you'll get paid, we just don't guarantee where), while a player's obligations to the organization cover both payment and team (you'll get paid and you must remain here)?

I don't like it when players try to renegotiate freshly-signed contracts or sabotage their effort to facilitate escape either.  But it seems kind of lame to have the Cavs try unsuccessfully to trade Kyrie and everything is cool, then Kyrie demands to be traded and he's a villain.

Since the contract and CBA allow for trades, of course a team is within its contractual rights to trade a player. There’s no such provision for demanding a trade, and threatening an unnecessary surgery unless a trade demand is met is a breach of contract.

^THIS^

You guys need to read the contracts and CBA. Trades aren’t a two-way street, which makes the “what about the owners” argument a non-starter.

If the rules did not exclude demanding a trade or take surgery than it's all legal

The player contract explicitly indicates the player has a duty of loyalty to the team, and must act for the best interests of the team.

[Eja117]

The only story I trust as much as a story with an unnamed source is one with MULTIPLE unnamed sources.

They're everywhere! Here! There! Everywhere! And they're all telling the truth!

First rule about Unnamed Sources Club is....we do not talk about unnamed sources club.




 

[Eja117]

According to multiple anonymous resources......

[tarheelsxxiii]

Welp, this thread was handily won by Roy, again
 

[rondofan1255]

This isn't as bizarre as the Cavs threatening to veto the deal and then taking the Miami 2nd.

[Eja117]

I hate trade demands.  Just honor your contract.  If one of my players demanded a trade, and then threatened surgery, I'd void his contract and take it to an arbitrator.

But, so far Cleveland's loss seems to be our gain.

looking at the cavs this year and the potential of lebron leaving, do you blame him?

I "blame" everyone who doesn't honor their contract.  I don't think he should have done it, but if the owners and GMs are going to reward that type of behavior, I understand it.

Then is ownership not honoring their contract when they trade a player?  The player signed said contract with that team and city.  How do the contractual obligations of a team to a player only cover the payment considerations (you'll get paid, we just don't guarantee where), while a player's obligations to the organization cover both payment and team (you'll get paid and you must remain here)?

I don't like it when players try to renegotiate freshly-signed contracts or sabotage their effort to facilitate escape either.  But it seems kind of lame to have the Cavs try unsuccessfully to trade Kyrie and everything is cool, then Kyrie demands to be traded and he's a villain.

Since the contract and CBA allow for trades, of course a team is within its contractual rights to trade a player. There’s no such provision for demanding a trade, and threatening an unnecessary surgery unless a trade demand is met is a breach of contract.

^THIS^

You guys need to read the contracts and CBA. Trades aren’t a two-way street, which makes the “what about the owners” argument a non-starter.

If the rules did not exclude demanding a trade or take surgery than it's all legal

The player contract explicitly indicates the player has a duty of loyalty to the team, and must act for the best interests of the team.

Contracts can be broken. Holdouts happen all the time. They're players with a contract in a union. Not slaves. 
Sprewell attacked his coach and was able to get his contract reinstated by an arbitrator.  Had I been Irving sitting on millions of dollars and my health the threat of being suspended wouldn't bother me at all. Worst case scenario I pull an Asante Samuel and sit out the last second before getting a year towards vesting and let them know it. And then I let people know I'm thinking of doing it the next year. Then I do the absolute minimum possible that my contract allows for. Do I have to go to film study? Do I have to go to shoot around? What does the contract say and what does it not say?

[CelticsElite]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/01/cavaliers_felt_compelled_to_tr.html


Kyrie Irving needs to undergo minor knee surgery as a follow-up to the procedure he underwent during the 2015 Finals to repair his broken kneecap.

The procedure would ease some of the swelling and day-to-day pain he feels.


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[KGBirdBias]

I believe he'll have the surgery soon and be out for the All-Star game. Let him be ready to go by March and the playoffs.

BTW, this story that he threatened the Cavs is just the Cavs trying to save face from their fiasco team meeting and their infighting. They still didn't have to trade him, they just got fleeced by Ainge and have no recourse. Once they bench IT because it's not working after already benching Crowder they will see they got the worst end of the trade. Haha