Will Kyrie follow Pierce to the Rafters and Hall of Fame

[rollie mass]

Will this young team be his vehicle to build a legacy.
Boston seems the perfect fit coaching ,management ,fan support in a sports mecca.
Watching Isaiah ,Crowder,Green and Turner all on the same court -all being remembered as Celtics.
The NBA wouldn't be the same without Red Auerbach/ Russell era,Cowens/ Havilchek,Bird/ McHale  Pierce/ Garnett and Danny/Wyc and Brad era
The Celtics have ambassadors in so many positions across the NBA and its historical landscape.
Last year the Celts battled adversity to ECF, this year the loss of a key component of Bostons future but the young and Kyrie have battled to best record in NBA
Tonight is a very important game as it will echo till we meet them again
The Celtics are now Kyries team and we will not forget Isaiahs part of fabric that is Bostons Celtics history
Tonight it is Kyries Team VS Lebron and assembled cast.

[Moranis]

He hasn't even played half a season in Boston, so no way to know on the Rafters.  Barring injury, he will almost certainly be in the Basketball Hall of Fame though.

[GreenFaith1819]

I hope so.

He'll certainly have a great team around him, especially once Hayward comes back.

Barring injuries we have a good shot at a banner or 2 over the next few years.

[Roy H.]

He hasn't even played half a season in Boston, so no way to know on the Rafters.  Barring injury, he will almost certainly be in the Basketball Hall of Fame though.

Agreed.

[bdm860]

Way back in '98, I thought Antoine was a lock to get his jersey retired.  Only his 2nd season and he had already put up a few triple doubles and was an All-Star.  Along with Kobe, was the first in that historic draft class to be an All-Star, beating out Iverson, Ray Allen, Marbury, Nash, etc.  And Kobe only made it because he was voted by fans, while Walker earned it by being selected by the coaches!  I figured dude was a lock to get his jersey retired at that point.

Then in the mid-00's, man did Big Al look legit. 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks in only his 3rd season straight of a high school.  He looked like he would be the foundation of Celtics teams for the next decade.  Would love to see some polls of C's fans from '07 asking if they'd prefer to build around Big Al or Pierce, as I think many preferred Big Al.  At the time, it probably seemed like his jersey is definitely going in the rafters, right?

And up until about 6 months ago, to me at least, it seemed pretty much unfathomable that IT wouldn't get his jersey retired here.

All that to say, way too earlier to make a call on Kyrie's number hanging in the rafters.

[droopdog7]

Way back in '98, I thought Antoine was a lock to get his jersey retired.  Only his 2nd season and he had already put up a few triple doubles and was an All-Star.  Along with Kobe, was the first in that historic draft class to be an All-Star, beating out Iverson, Ray Allen, Marbury, Nash, etc.  And Kobe only made it because he was voted by fans, while Walker earned it by being selected by the coaches!  I figured dude was a lock to get his jersey retired at that point.

Then in the mid-00's, man did Big Al look legit. 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks in only his 3rd season straight of a high school.  He looked like he would be the foundation of Celtics teams for the next decade.  Would love to see some polls of C's fans from '07 asking if they'd prefer to build around Big Al or Pierce, as I think many preferred Big Al.  At the time, it probably seemed like his jersey is definitely going in the rafters, right?

And up until about 6 months ago, to me at least, it seemed pretty much unfathomable that IT wouldn't get his jersey retired here.

All that to say, way too earlier to make a call on Kyrie's number hanging in the rafters.

I would venture to say that Kyrie ALREADY has five times the resume than Antoine built his entire career (never mind Al).

[smokeablount]

He hasn't even played half a season in Boston, so no way to know on the Rafters.  Barring injury, he will almost certainly be in the Basketball Hall of Fame though.

Agreed.

If he can win just one title in Boston in the next 5 or so years, it's yes to both, and he'd be a first ballot HOF'er as the likely top dog on the Celtics title team, plus another title.

[Monkhouse]

Way back in '98, I thought Antoine was a lock to get his jersey retired.  Only his 2nd season and he had already put up a few triple doubles and was an All-Star.  Along with Kobe, was the first in that historic draft class to be an All-Star, beating out Iverson, Ray Allen, Marbury, Nash, etc.  And Kobe only made it because he was voted by fans, while Walker earned it by being selected by the coaches!  I figured dude was a lock to get his jersey retired at that point.

Then in the mid-00's, man did Big Al look legit. 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks in only his 3rd season straight of a high school.  He looked like he would be the foundation of Celtics teams for the next decade.  Would love to see some polls of C's fans from '07 asking if they'd prefer to build around Big Al or Pierce, as I think many preferred Big Al.  At the time, it probably seemed like his jersey is definitely going in the rafters, right?

And up until about 6 months ago, to me at least, it seemed pretty much unfathomable that IT wouldn't get his jersey retired here.

All that to say, way too earlier to make a call on Kyrie's number hanging in the rafters.

Walker was a great player, but Kyrie is leaps and bounds already above him and that's not even a question.. Walker have had so many freakin' chances with the Celtics, it isn't even funny... Sure he had gaudy numbers, but over the next few years, it got into his head, and he eventually relied heavily on his 3 point shooting... At the age of 25/26, he was taking 7.5 and 8.0 3PA.. At
.344/.323 clip average.... That is horrendous...


NBA champion (2006)
3× NBA All-Star (1998, 2002, 2003)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1997)
NCAA champion (1996)
First-team All-SEC (1996)


NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)

Now which resume looks relatively better?

Everyone knew Kyrie was a stud even after he finished college... No one was worried whether or not he could or not play in the NBA. It was a matter of his injury history in high school and college that had people worried.

[Moranis]

Way back in '98, I thought Antoine was a lock to get his jersey retired.  Only his 2nd season and he had already put up a few triple doubles and was an All-Star.  Along with Kobe, was the first in that historic draft class to be an All-Star, beating out Iverson, Ray Allen, Marbury, Nash, etc.  And Kobe only made it because he was voted by fans, while Walker earned it by being selected by the coaches!  I figured dude was a lock to get his jersey retired at that point.

Then in the mid-00's, man did Big Al look legit. 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks in only his 3rd season straight of a high school.  He looked like he would be the foundation of Celtics teams for the next decade.  Would love to see some polls of C's fans from '07 asking if they'd prefer to build around Big Al or Pierce, as I think many preferred Big Al.  At the time, it probably seemed like his jersey is definitely going in the rafters, right?

And up until about 6 months ago, to me at least, it seemed pretty much unfathomable that IT wouldn't get his jersey retired here.

All that to say, way too earlier to make a call on Kyrie's number hanging in the rafters.

Walker was a great player, but Kyrie is leaps and bounds already above him and that's not even a question.. Walker have had so many freakin' chances with the Celtics, it isn't even funny... Sure he had gaudy numbers, but over the next few years, it got into his head, and he eventually relied heavily on his 3 point shooting... At the age of 25/26, he was taking 7.5 and 8.0 3PA.. At
.344/.323 clip average.... That is horrendous...


NBA champion (2006)
3× NBA All-Star (1998, 2002, 2003)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1997)
NCAA champion (1996)
First-team All-SEC (1996)


NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)

Now which resume looks relatively better?

Everyone knew Kyrie was a stud even after he finished college... No one was worried whether or not he could or not play in the NBA. It was a matter of his injury history in high school and college that had people worried.

what does that have to do with the Celtics?  You don't get your number in the Celtic's rafters by being a great player, otherwise Shaq would have his number up there.  You have your number in the rafters for what you do as a Celtic.  And as a Celtic, Walker is far superior to Irving at this point.  It isn't close and isn't debatable.

It also isn't debatable that Irving is better right now than Walker ever was and that Irving has a much better case for the HOF than Walker does.

[SHAQATTACK]

he ll be enshrined at Cleveland for sure .  Thats about the only thing ever happened for that city in sports.

He is going to need to hang alot banner to get Boston to retire his number.

[Monkhouse]

Way back in '98, I thought Antoine was a lock to get his jersey retired.  Only his 2nd season and he had already put up a few triple doubles and was an All-Star.  Along with Kobe, was the first in that historic draft class to be an All-Star, beating out Iverson, Ray Allen, Marbury, Nash, etc.  And Kobe only made it because he was voted by fans, while Walker earned it by being selected by the coaches!  I figured dude was a lock to get his jersey retired at that point.

Then in the mid-00's, man did Big Al look legit. 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks in only his 3rd season straight of a high school.  He looked like he would be the foundation of Celtics teams for the next decade.  Would love to see some polls of C's fans from '07 asking if they'd prefer to build around Big Al or Pierce, as I think many preferred Big Al.  At the time, it probably seemed like his jersey is definitely going in the rafters, right?

And up until about 6 months ago, to me at least, it seemed pretty much unfathomable that IT wouldn't get his jersey retired here.

All that to say, way too earlier to make a call on Kyrie's number hanging in the rafters.

Walker was a great player, but Kyrie is leaps and bounds already above him and that's not even a question.. Walker have had so many freakin' chances with the Celtics, it isn't even funny... Sure he had gaudy numbers, but over the next few years, it got into his head, and he eventually relied heavily on his 3 point shooting... At the age of 25/26, he was taking 7.5 and 8.0 3PA.. At
.344/.323 clip average.... That is horrendous...


NBA champion (2006)
3× NBA All-Star (1998, 2002, 2003)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1997)
NCAA champion (1996)
First-team All-SEC (1996)


NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)

Now which resume looks relatively better?

Everyone knew Kyrie was a stud even after he finished college... No one was worried whether or not he could or not play in the NBA. It was a matter of his injury history in high school and college that had people worried.

what does that have to do with the Celtics?  You don't get your number in the Celtic's rafters by being a great player, otherwise Shaq would have his number up there.  You have your number in the rafters for what you do as a Celtic.  And as a Celtic, Walker is far superior to Irving at this point.  It isn't close and isn't debatable.

It also isn't debatable that Irving is better right now than Walker ever was and that Irving has a much better case for the HOF than Walker does.

So please tell me how your second paragraph doesn't contradict your first statement. Kyrie Irving is already better than Walker and he's only gonna get better. Also.. You really think Kyrie is not gonna stay a Celtic for at least for a few more years? It would make no sense for the Celtics to walk away in 2 years.

[Jiri Welsch]

If anyone read that Jackie MacMullan piece on ESPN today about Kyrie, my biggest concern is that he needs a new environment every few years and doesn’t want to re-sign with us.

[Moranis]

Way back in '98, I thought Antoine was a lock to get his jersey retired.  Only his 2nd season and he had already put up a few triple doubles and was an All-Star.  Along with Kobe, was the first in that historic draft class to be an All-Star, beating out Iverson, Ray Allen, Marbury, Nash, etc.  And Kobe only made it because he was voted by fans, while Walker earned it by being selected by the coaches!  I figured dude was a lock to get his jersey retired at that point.

Then in the mid-00's, man did Big Al look legit. 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks in only his 3rd season straight of a high school.  He looked like he would be the foundation of Celtics teams for the next decade.  Would love to see some polls of C's fans from '07 asking if they'd prefer to build around Big Al or Pierce, as I think many preferred Big Al.  At the time, it probably seemed like his jersey is definitely going in the rafters, right?

And up until about 6 months ago, to me at least, it seemed pretty much unfathomable that IT wouldn't get his jersey retired here.

All that to say, way too earlier to make a call on Kyrie's number hanging in the rafters.

Walker was a great player, but Kyrie is leaps and bounds already above him and that's not even a question.. Walker have had so many freakin' chances with the Celtics, it isn't even funny... Sure he had gaudy numbers, but over the next few years, it got into his head, and he eventually relied heavily on his 3 point shooting... At the age of 25/26, he was taking 7.5 and 8.0 3PA.. At
.344/.323 clip average.... That is horrendous...


NBA champion (2006)
3× NBA All-Star (1998, 2002, 2003)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1997)
NCAA champion (1996)
First-team All-SEC (1996)


NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)

Now which resume looks relatively better?

Everyone knew Kyrie was a stud even after he finished college... No one was worried whether or not he could or not play in the NBA. It was a matter of his injury history in high school and college that had people worried.

what does that have to do with the Celtics?  You don't get your number in the Celtic's rafters by being a great player, otherwise Shaq would have his number up there.  You have your number in the rafters for what you do as a Celtic.  And as a Celtic, Walker is far superior to Irving at this point.  It isn't close and isn't debatable.

It also isn't debatable that Irving is better right now than Walker ever was and that Irving has a much better case for the HOF than Walker does.

So please tell me how your second paragraph doesn't contradict your first statement. Kyrie Irving is already better than Walker and he's only gonna get better. Also.. You really think Kyrie is not gonna stay a Celtic for at least for a few more years? It would make no sense for the Celtics to walk away in 2 years.

Shaq was a better player than Walker and Irving combined.  Shaq played for the Celtics.  Shaq's number isn't in the rafters nor should it be. 

I really don't understand how this is a difficult concept to understand.  Irving has played less than half a season with the Celtics.  Talk of his number in the rafters is ridiculous until he has played at least 5 seasons with the team.  He may not play more than 2.  He might get hurt.  He might just fall off a cliff in a couple of seasons and end up not worthy. 

[rollie mass]

Way back in '98, I thought Antoine was a lock to get his jersey retired.  Only his 2nd season and he had already put up a few triple doubles and was an All-Star.  Along with Kobe, was the first in that historic draft class to be an All-Star, beating out Iverson, Ray Allen, Marbury, Nash, etc.  And Kobe only made it because he was voted by fans, while Walker earned it by being selected by the coaches!  I figured dude was a lock to get his jersey retired at that point.

Then in the mid-00's, man did Big Al look legit. 16 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 blocks in only his 3rd season straight of a high school.  He looked like he would be the foundation of Celtics teams for the next decade.  Would love to see some polls of C's fans from '07 asking if they'd prefer to build around Big Al or Pierce, as I think many preferred Big Al.  At the time, it probably seemed like his jersey is definitely going in the rafters, right?

And up until about 6 months ago, to me at least, it seemed pretty much unfathomable that IT wouldn't get his jersey retired here.

All that to say, way too earlier to make a call on Kyrie's number hanging in the rafters.

Walker was a great player, but Kyrie is leaps and bounds already above him and that's not even a question.. Walker have had so many freakin' chances with the Celtics, it isn't even funny... Sure he had gaudy numbers, but over the next few years, it got into his head, and he eventually relied heavily on his 3 point shooting... At the age of 25/26, he was taking 7.5 and 8.0 3PA.. At
.344/.323 clip average.... That is horrendous...


NBA champion (2006)
3× NBA All-Star (1998, 2002, 2003)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1997)
NCAA champion (1996)
First-team All-SEC (1996)


NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)

Now which resume looks relatively better?

Everyone knew Kyrie was a stud even after he finished college... No one was worried whether or not he could or not play in the NBA. It was a matter of his injury history in high school and college that had people worried.

Part of the reason behind this topic is legacy and i think that is important to Kyrie and how it will hold him here.He is young enough to become a mythical figure in Celtics history
.He fits in Boston,he fits with our sports legends,he fits with Horford and Jason-he is a east coast kid and Duke guy.
He isn't a Lebron guy or a Cleveland guy he has made that clear
-He is intent on a ring won by his team collectively won in a city where his fathers jersey was retired at BU
.History will play a huge part in keeping him here when free agency hits.I think Kyrie wants to be a leader but not a leader of followers-Remember how San Antonio played -it was beautiful basketball and chemistry and coaching and management.

[KGBirdBias]

I think Kyrie will resign with the Celtics. He can't go anywhere else and get what Stevens will do for him. They will win 2 titles in 2019, 2020 or 2021. Kyrie will become the major recruiter and will develop more leadership skills as the year goes on.

Kyrie wanted to get out from under Bron. Bron sucks all the oxygen out of the room anywhere he goes. Kyrie couldn't blossom under him and the Cavs were going to be horrible once Bron left...Kyrie knew it and wanted out. Great move by Ainge