Scalabrine's interesting comment on Celtics' DPE

[slightly biased bias fan]

On Yahoo Sports NBA with Chris Mannix (Podcast), Brian Scalabrine discussed why Boston have yet to use their disabled players exception, he said:

"As far as the buy-out market...they are looking at it from a small sample size for this season. I think they're looking at it as a buy-out, get a guy, trade, get a guy and then factor that player on their team the following year...not only are the Celtics aggressively looking, but agents (players) are telling teams, I want to be a part of this buy-out market, I want to get bought out for this amount, i'll opt out of my contract and i'll sign with the Celtics. Also what comes into play, whenever they come and do that, they'll get what's allowed a 120% raise the following year, so who ever they end up getting, I don't think it's all about this season, I think it's also about next year and I also think it's about accumulating assets and salary, like right now, obvious the hot name you're hearing out there is Anthony Davis and these guys are always going to be linked but right now the Celtics would have a hard time trading for Anthony Davis, if they want to keep their core together and just add in an Anthony Davis, which for all my understanding is what they've been talking about, they do, they wouldn't have enough salary to ship off to get an Anthony Davis so adding a guy at 8.4 (DPE) and giving him a 120% raise the following year would help their cause."

[DarthCeltic]

Who do you think is on the list to be bought out this year?  I'm thinking Lopez and Monroe. 

[Rick Robeys Return]

On Yahoo Sports NBA with Chris Mannix (Podcast), Brian Scalabrine discussed why Boston have yet to use their disabled players exception, he said:

"As far as the buy-out market...they are looking at it from a small sample size for this season. I think they're looking at it as a buy-out, get a guy, trade, get a guy and then factor that player on their team the following year...not only are the Celtics aggressively looking, but agents (players) are telling teams, I want to be a part of this buy-out market, I want to get bought out for this amount, i'll opt out of my contract and i'll sign with the Celtics. Also what comes into play, whenever they come and do that, they'll get what's allowed a 120% raise the following year, so who ever they end up getting, I don't think it's all about this season, I think it's also about next year and I also think it's about accumulating assets and salary, like right now, obvious the hot name you're hearing out there is Anthony Davis and these guys are always going to be linked but right now the Celtics would have a hard time trading for Anthony Davis, if they want to keep their core together and just add in an Anthony Davis, which for all my understanding is what they've been talking about, they do, they wouldn't have enough salary to ship off to get an Anthony Davis so adding a guy at 8.4 (DPE) and giving him a 120% raise the following year would help their cause."

My understanding is that idea of a 120% raise come from the prospective use of the non-Bird Exception. That would mean that the overall 120% raise is for the life of the subsequent contract, with the first year limited to a 5% raise.  Isn't this a problem for the re-signing the type of player contemplated by Scal's comment?

For example, if we did want to use the DPE to sign Brooke Lopez or Greg Monroe for the full $8.4 mill, are we either: a) going to be able to re-sign them for $9 mill (i.e. 8.4 + 5%) year one, on a multi-year deal; or b) want to sign them for a multi-year contract starting at $9 mill, going up annually for the full 120%. Maybe the answer is yes, under certain circumstances, but this is a necessary question for any of the prospective candidates, under Scals theory...

[Sophomore]

"As far as the buy-out market...they are looking at it from a small sample size for this season. I think they're looking at it as a buy-out, get a guy, trade, get a guy and then factor that player on their team the following year...not only are the Celtics aggressively looking, but agents (players) are telling teams, I want to be a part of this buy-out market, I want to get bought out for this amount, i'll opt out of my contract and i'll sign with the Celtics. Also what comes into play, whenever they come and do that, they'll get what's allowed a 120% raise the following year, so who ever they end up getting, I don't think it's all about this season, I think it's also about next year and I also think it's about accumulating assets and salary, like right now, obvious the hot name you're hearing out there is Anthony Davis and these guys are always going to be linked but right now the Celtics would have a hard time trading for Anthony Davis, if they want to keep their core together and just add in an Anthony Davis, which for all my understanding is what they've been talking about, they do, they wouldn't have enough salary to ship off to get an Anthony Davis so adding a guy at 8.4 (DPE) and giving him a 120% raise the following year would help their cause."

That's interesting.

Not sure I get the 120% raise rule; did Scal mean to say that in year 2 they could pay the bought out player 120% of the salary they signed him for (which I would think of as a 20% raise) or did he mean they can pay the player 220% of the salary from year 1 (a 120% raise)?

[slightly biased bias fan]

That's interesting.

Not sure I get the 120% raise rule; did Scal mean to say that in year 2 they could pay the bought out player 120% of the salary they signed him for (which I would think of as a 20% raise) or did he mean they can pay the player 220% of the salary from year 1 (a 120% raise)?

My understanding is that the DPE is only for one season then it gives the Celtics:

'Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent (“Non-Bird”) Exception. A team may re-sign its own free agent who is neither a “Bird” nor an “Early Bird” player to a first-year salary of up to the greater of (a) 120% of the player’s salary in the last season of his prior contract, (b) 120% of the player’s applicable minimum salary for the current season, or (c) if the player is a Restricted Free Agent, his Qualifying Offer amount.'

[gamehead36]

Hard to believe, but that sounds like we could, for example, sign Brook if he's bought out with the dpe, and then resign him for up to 120% of his prior deal, which would be ~27 mil.

Holy smokes if true lol

Edit: I think I misunderstood what "prior season" means? At second glance it seems clear that prior season refers to the dpe amount. Yea, that makes sense.

Almost had a heart attack lol man idk it's late somebody help me out

[Rick Robeys Return]

This is from the Larry Coon CBA FAQ (<http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm>), emphasis is my own:

NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

• Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent.
  
  Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
  
  Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.

This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.

A partial season counts as a full season for the tenure calculation related to Bird rights. If a team signs another team's free agent to a Rest-of-Season contract mid-way through the season, then at the end of that season the player is a non-Bird free agent.

Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 26 for details.

[Roy H.]

This is from the Larry Coon CBA FAQ (<http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm>), emphasis is my own:

NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

• Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent.
  
  Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
  
  Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.

This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.

A partial season counts as a full season for the tenure calculation related to Bird rights. If a team signs another team's free agent to a Rest-of-Season contract mid-way through the season, then at the end of that season the player is a non-Bird free agent.

Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 26 for details.

You’re misinterpreting that. The 5% is talking about year-to-year raises within a contract. The first year value is allowed to jump 20% from the player’s previous amount (hypothetically the DPE).

[Eddie20]

This is from the Larry Coon CBA FAQ (<http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm>), emphasis is my own:

NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

• Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent.
  
  Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
  
  Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.

This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.

A partial season counts as a full season for the tenure calculation related to Bird rights. If a team signs another team's free agent to a Rest-of-Season contract mid-way through the season, then at the end of that season the player is a non-Bird free agent.

Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 26 for details.

You’re misinterpreting that. The 5% is talking about year-to-year raises within a contract. The first year value is allowed to jump 20% from the player’s previous amount (hypothetically the DPE).

20 or 120? I only saw 120% in the above.

[Big333223]

This is from the Larry Coon CBA FAQ (<http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm>), emphasis is my own:

NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

• Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent.
  
  Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
  
  Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.

This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.

A partial season counts as a full season for the tenure calculation related to Bird rights. If a team signs another team's free agent to a Rest-of-Season contract mid-way through the season, then at the end of that season the player is a non-Bird free agent.

Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 26 for details.

You’re misinterpreting that. The 5% is talking about year-to-year raises within a contract. The first year value is allowed to jump 20% from the player’s previous amount (hypothetically the DPE).

20 or 120? I only saw 120% in the above.

The new salary can be 120% of the old salary which is the same as saying the salary can be raised 20%. 

e.g. 120% of 8 is 9.6. 9.6 is 20% more than 8.

[Surferdad]

This is from the Larry Coon CBA FAQ (<http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm>), emphasis is my own:

NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

• Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent.
  
  Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
  
  Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.

This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.

A partial season counts as a full season for the tenure calculation related to Bird rights. If a team signs another team's free agent to a Rest-of-Season contract mid-way through the season, then at the end of that season the player is a non-Bird free agent.

Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 26 for details.

You’re misinterpreting that. The 5% is talking about year-to-year raises within a contract. The first year value is allowed to jump 20% from the player’s previous amount (hypothetically the DPE).

20 or 120? I only saw 120% in the above.

The new salary can be 120% of the old salary which is the same as saying the salary can be raised 20%. 

e.g. 120% of 8 is 9.6. 9.6 is 20% more than 8.

Yeah, that's logical if you think about it.  It is not logical to allow a 5% raise then subsequently a 120% raise.

[More Banners]

Not surprised Ainge is looking ahead to maximize this asset.

Consider adding a DPE player, MLE player, and, yeah, Gordon Hayward to this team next year.

If we add 2 first round picks as well, who is out next year?  The roster is getting pretty good...and deep.

[Csfan1984]

"a buy-out, get a guy, trade, get a guy and then factor that player on their team the following year"

Is this options or a sequence he was referring to?

If it's a sequence is he saying if bought out player signs with C's then C's might do a two for one not simply make roster space? He does say get a guy twice so that is what I wonder about. It would mean two roster upgrades.

But if it's options then it could mean
1. Sign a buy out guy you can 120 resign.
2. DPE Trade for a guy then immediately trade for a higher increased salary player.

The options is probably what he meant because of the salary talk that follows. But again it's not 100% clear reading the quote.

[hodgy03038]

I believe the time has passed weeks ago where you could get someone on DPE and subsequently trade that player by the trade deadline. That being said, we can only use the DPE on a player we plan to keep for at least this year. I don't understand why I see so many talking about trading the DPE (can't do that) or signing a DPE and trading said player for an upgrade.

This except from Reddit:
For those who don't know, the trade deadline is February 8th. In order to obtain a player with the DPE who we would still be able to include in trades (if we wanted to), we'd need to sign them by December 8th.

[crimson_stallion]

Yeah, I'm assuming Danny would be looking beyond this season when checking out his options.  Looking for somebody he can sign to finish off this season, then potentially re-sign again after the fact.