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« on: December 31, 2017, 04:27:55 AM »

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With all the calls, this favors Boston as Marcus,Rozier,Larkin and Kyrie to a lesser degree manage not to get hung up or have capability to fight over and draw fouls.Bostons will and desire showed 2nd half of Houston game" that was playoff style defense on Celtics part."
I have a theory that this energy draining defense, fueled with adrenaline and aggression spills over to missed shots,aggressive shot selection and missed foul shots..In Marcus's case you can see him crashing boards and fighting for rebounds with bigs,as well as his strips and drawing charges.
Jaylens poor foul shooting may be a result.
Bostons defense 2nd half was a masterclass of effort,will and skill-i marveled at Jasons
 last second dunk but it was the pirouette off the rim to defense stance at baselines with those extended arms-little things like aggressive inbound defense that used critical timeouts or forced Harden to push off.
This was a team win and a classic.
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With all the calls this favors Boston as Marcus,Rozier,Larkin and Kyrie to a lesser degree manage not to get hung up or have capability to fight over and draw fouls.Bostons will and desire showed 2nd half of Houston game" that was playoff style defense on Celtics part."
I have a theory that this energy draining defense, fueled with adrenaline and aggression spills over to missed shots,aggressive shot selection and missed foul shots..In Marcus's case you can see him crashing boards and fighting for rebounds with bigs,as well as his strips and drawing charges.
Jaylens poor foul shooting may be a result.
Bostons defense 2nd half was a masterclass of effort,will and skill-i marveled at Jasons
 last second dunk but it was the pirouette off the rim to defense stance at baselines with those extended arms-little things like aggressive inbound defense that used critical timeouts or forced Harden to push off.
This was a team win and a classic.


TP for anyone that can translate this. Thanks.

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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 07:45:44 AM »

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Trans- They did well because of their defense. Defense is their strength.

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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2017, 07:58:31 AM »

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Hahaha I love rollie! I was all excited about a post about bigs at the top of the key setting picks and moving/pushing people with their ass and sometimes legs/feet. Been noticing this more and more seems to be getting worse the league needs to start calling this all the time.

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2017, 08:21:29 AM »

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I wish we would play a zone more often, just to confuse other teams.
Or occasionally double team. Or occasionally run a full court press.

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 09:03:36 AM »

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 Eddie-refs cracked down this year on moving screens and too wide stances.This favors Smart and Rozier as well as Larkin -easier to get over top and easier to sell a foul.
Secondly -i believe aggressive defense leads to more aggressive shot selection and adrenaline interferes with foul shooting-Marcus goes wild on defense and physical on the boards and it causes aggressive poor shot selection at times-a theory
"2nd half of Houston game celtics played playoff defense

Jaylens foul shooting percentage drop this year may be a result of defensive intensity and adrenaline boost
Eddie there is a defensive highlite video out-watch it
Jason dunk and quick reaction to baseline with his length forcing pressure on out of bounds play -quick thinking for a rookie
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2017, 10:53:55 AM »

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Secondly -i believe aggressive defense leads to more aggressive shot selection and adrenaline interferes with foul shooting-Marcus goes wild on defense and physical on the boards and it causes aggressive poor shot selection at times-a theory

Jaylens foul shooting percentage drop this year may be a result of defensive intensity and adrenaline boost

The inability to set KG like screens benefits ALL defenders, not just the few Celtics players you mentioned. That's just common sense, though.

The part I quoted above makes no sense, however. Smart is a poor shooter because he's just a poor shooter. Just like CP3, Beverly, Bradley, Kawhi, etc. can shoot despite being great defenders that exert a lot of energy at that end.

As for Brown, FT shooting is mostly mental, assuming your shooting mechanics are sound. Brown's FT mechanics are sound, although I wish he would slow down a bit, and his woes have virtually nothing to do with intensity or adrenaline. His percentages from the field, especially from 3's, instantly debunks your theory.

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refs cracked down this year on moving screens and too wide stances.

Yeah, they did and it was wrong to crack down on wide stances.  Movement in a screen is a foul but if a guy was set he should be able to create space for his team mates.

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2017, 12:23:19 PM »

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The execution of screens will need more attention and better timing to thwart a strong defender with power and  good lateral movement  and add length to equation -you have Marcus and Rozier and Larkin uses his quickness and intensity..If you don't think Marcus,Rozier and Larkin don't try and draw fouls from the screen setters.
Your just pulling a Clouseau move in an attempt to bait a response.
I assume you were not a great defensive player and didn't fight over screens-dirty ,hard work not many have that ability like Marcus its exhausting and combative as is offensive rebounding another skill he has.
Marcus is a special defender and he creates mayhem and to think there is no adrenaline in his game or Jaylens or Roziers-
.I'll never forget shooting foul shots in the Old Boston Garden

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Secondly -i believe aggressive defense leads to more aggressive shot selection and adrenaline interferes with foul shooting-Marcus goes wild on defense and physical on the boards and it causes aggressive poor shot selection at times-a theory

Jaylens foul shooting percentage drop this year may be a result of defensive intensity and adrenaline boost

The inability to set KG like screens benefits ALL defenders, not just the few Celtics players you mentioned. That's just common sense, though.

The part I quoted above makes no sense, however. Smart is a poor shooter because he's just a poor shooter. Just like CP3, Beverly, Bradley, Kawhi, etc. can shoot despite being great defenders that exert a lot of energy at that end.

As for Brown, FT shooting is mostly mental, assuming your shooting mechanics are sound. Brown's FT mechanics are sound, although I wish he would slow down a bit, and his woes have virtually nothing to do with intensity or adrenaline. His percentages from the field, especially from 3's, instantly debunks your theory.

TP's to all that helped decipher the Davinci Code!  ;)

You just named 4 players with next level quickness and explosion.  Smart is a below-average NBA athlete who struggles to play even at the level of the rim.  The theory still holds. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2017, 12:30:49 PM »

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refs cracked down this year on moving screens and too wide stances.

Yeah, they did and it was wrong to crack down on wide stances.  Movement in a screen is a foul but if a guy was set he should be able to create space for his team mates.

I believe this and the travel calls (where a player does as fake then starts moving) was a point of emphasis early in the season. I think they've let up a bit on those calls, especially on the travel. They used to call at least once a game per team, now I still see the same move without getting any calls.

The moving screens can be a problem. You can see guys moving and even holding a bit during those screens (the bigs) without getting called one way, then the other team does some little move and its a foul. Like many other calls in the NBA, the inconsistency is the issue.
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Secondly -i believe aggressive defense leads to more aggressive shot selection and adrenaline interferes with foul shooting-Marcus goes wild on defense and physical on the boards and it causes aggressive poor shot selection at times-a theory

Jaylens foul shooting percentage drop this year may be a result of defensive intensity and adrenaline boost

The inability to set KG like screens benefits ALL defenders, not just the few Celtics players you mentioned. That's just common sense, though.

The part I quoted above makes no sense, however. Smart is a poor shooter because he's just a poor shooter. Just like CP3, Beverly, Bradley, Kawhi, etc. can shoot despite being great defenders that exert a lot of energy at that end.

As for Brown, FT shooting is mostly mental, assuming your shooting mechanics are sound. Brown's FT mechanics are sound, although I wish he would slow down a bit, and his woes have virtually nothing to do with intensity or adrenaline. His percentages from the field, especially from 3's, instantly debunks your theory.

TP's to all that helped decipher the Davinci Code!  ;)

You just named 4 players with next level quickness and explosion.  Smart is a below-average NBA athlete who struggles to play even at the level of the rim.  The theory still holds.

Really? I thought the etcetera part would do the trick. There are plenty of players who play really good defense, aren't athletic monsters, and can still shoot. Players like Danny Green, Brogdon, Crabbe, Middleton, Ingles, Crowder (at least the version in Green), etc.  If you think the theory holds substance than you're also suggesting that all good shooters, at least those that aren't athletically elite, don't expend much energy on defense. Is that it?

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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2017, 12:49:39 PM »

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Marcus is a special defender and he creates mayhem and to think there is no adrenaline in his game or Jaylens or Roziers-
.I'll never forget shooting foul shots in the Old Boston Garden

This is weird. Are you suggesting that Smart and Rozier aren't good perimeter shooters and Brown isn't a good shooter because of adrenaline? Then you mention yourself, an admittedly untalented player, being nervous on shooting free throws at the Garden as an example. Really?! Listen, if they can't shoot because of adrenaline after a few years of being in the NBA then we should trade them all ASAP because they might have an aneurysm if/when we make it to the Finals.

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2017, 04:34:43 PM »

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i think you should look up effects of adrenaline on athletes performance-

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Marcus is a special defender and he creates mayhem and to think there is no adrenaline in his game or Jaylens or Roziers-
.I'll never forget shooting foul shots in the Old Boston Garden

This is weird. Are you suggesting that Smart and Rozier aren't good perimeter shooters and Brown isn't a good shooter because of adrenaline? Then you mention yourself, an admittedly untalented player, being nervous on shooting free throws at the Garden as an example. Really?! Listen, if they can't shoot because of adrenaline after a few years of being in the NBA then we should trade them all ASAP because they might have an aneurysm if/when we make it to the Finals.

Maybe he was good but the old Garden made him nervous? :)