Is Ben Wallace going to get a HOF nod this year?

[trickybilly]

I say absolutely. What you?

[GreenEnvy]

Yes, he will get in.

Very dominant defensive player on a perennial contender. Probably belongs in the same group as Mutombo and Rodman.

[BlastFromThePast]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

[Neurotic Guy]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

A few clarification:
Ben Wallace was not a member of the "Bad Boys" Pistons.  Dennis Rodman is, indeed, a member of the HOF.  One distinguishing difference between Ben Wallace and Kenneth Faried might be Wallace's 4 DPOY awards.  Another would be that Faried never broke 10 rpg in a season and Ben did it 8 times (6 times more than 12 rpg) including leading the league twice (once with >15),

[GreenEnvy]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

Yeah that’s a good comparison, including the NBA-record 4 DPoY awards, 4 all-star appearances, 5 All-NBA appearances, and 6 All-Defensive appearances they both have.


It’s really just the Pistons success (that he had little to do with) that separates a player like Ben Wallace from Kenneth Faried.

[gouki88]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

That whole second paragraph is almost entirely wrong, lol. Wallace was 14 when the Bad Boy Pistons won their first title, so I'm not sure how he would've played for them. Next, to compare one of the best defensive big men in the history of the game to Kenneth freakin Faried is beyond insulting. Ben Wallace is one of two players with 4 DPOY's (the other being Dikembe, who was a pretty nifty defender), whereas Kenneth Faried is widely viewed as a mediocre defender at best. Wallace was also absolutely crucial to the '04 Pistons team title run, and all their other deep playoff runs at the time, including an 18 point, 22 rebound effort in game 5 to win the title.

Insane

[BlastFromThePast]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

A few clarification:
Ben Wallace was not a member of the "Bad Boys" Pistons.  Dennis Rodman is, indeed, a member of the HOF.  One distinguishing difference between Ben Wallace and Kenneth Faried might be Wallace's 4 DPOY awards.  Another would be that Faried never broke 10 rpg in a season and Ben did it 8 times (6 times more than 12 rpg) including leading the league twice (once with >15),

Well, there were the Bad Boys of the 80's and 90's and then there were the Bad Boys Lite in the early 2000's when Wallace played with the likes of Rasheed and Ron Artest neither of whom would be confused with choir boys.    

Did not know Rodman made the HOF; good for him.  He didn't just guard and battle under the glass against centers he often matched up against the other teams' best offensive player.  Didn't he win something like 6 DPOY awards? 

I still think Faried is the closest example in terms of style of play comparison to Ben Wallace unless you can come up with someone else.

Do you think Wallace is HOF material?

[hodgy03038]

I think Wallace was a defensive monster. I don't think he qualifies for HOF, jmo.

[Big333223]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

A few clarification:
Ben Wallace was not a member of the "Bad Boys" Pistons.  Dennis Rodman is, indeed, a member of the HOF.  One distinguishing difference between Ben Wallace and Kenneth Faried might be Wallace's 4 DPOY awards.  Another would be that Faried never broke 10 rpg in a season and Ben did it 8 times (6 times more than 12 rpg) including leading the league twice (once with >15),

Well, there were the Bad Boys of the 80's and 90's and then there were the Bad Boys Lite in the early 2000's when Wallace played with the likes of Rasheed and Ron Artest neither of whom would be confused with choir boys.    

Did not know Rodman made the HOF; good for him.  He didn't just guard and battle under the glass against centers he often matched up against the other teams' best offensive player.  Didn't he win something like 6 DPOY awards? 

I still think Faried is the closest example in terms of style of play comparison to Ben Wallace unless you can come up with someone else.

Do you think Wallace is HOF material?

Ron Artest never played for the Pistons.

Ben Wallace was, as others have pointed out, a 4 time defensive player of the year, 5 time all NBA selection, and 6 time all defense selection. He also led the league in rebounding a couple of times and blocks once. He was the best defensive player of his generation and a no brainer hall of famer to me.

[mr. dee]

I think Wallace was a defensive monster. I don't think he qualifies for HOF, jmo.

4x DPOY
NBA Champion
5x All-NBA Team
4x All-Star
2x Rebound Champ
Blocking Champ

I think he have quite good enough resume to be inducted. He have more case than the likes of Tracy McGrady and Dikembe Mutombo.

[Neurotic Guy]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

A few clarification:
Ben Wallace was not a member of the "Bad Boys" Pistons.  Dennis Rodman is, indeed, a member of the HOF.  One distinguishing difference between Ben Wallace and Kenneth Faried might be Wallace's 4 DPOY awards.  Another would be that Faried never broke 10 rpg in a season and Ben did it 8 times (6 times more than 12 rpg) including leading the league twice (once with >15),

Well, there were the Bad Boys of the 80's and 90's and then there were the Bad Boys Lite in the early 2000's when Wallace played with the likes of Rasheed and Ron Artest neither of whom would be confused with choir boys.    

Did not know Rodman made the HOF; good for him.  He didn't just guard and battle under the glass against centers he often matched up against the other teams' best offensive player.  Didn't he win something like 6 DPOY awards? 

I still think Faried is the closest example in terms of style of play comparison to Ben Wallace unless you can come up with someone else.

Do you think Wallace is HOF material?

I don't really know much about HOF criteria.  HOF doesn't interest me all that much.  I think of HOF as a museum that tells the story of whatever the "Hall" is commemorating.  In that way, Wallace probably has a good case as an important figure in an era.  The 4 DPOY, all-NBA teams and importance to a champion probably qualify him for consideration.  Whether he should be in depends on where the bar is -- something I think differs for each Hall. 

[jambr380]

The Hall is all about accolades and Wallace has them in spades. He is also a unique player in that he was so dominant defensively yet so mediocre offensively and I honestly think that should help his case. Even if he doesn't get in the first time around, he definitely deserves it.

[hodgy03038]

I think Wallace was a defensive monster. I don't think he qualifies for HOF, jmo.

4x DPOY
NBA Champion
5x All-NBA Team
4x All-Star
2x Rebound Champ
Blocking Champ

I think he have quite good enough resume to be inducted. He have more case than the likes of Tracy McGrady and Dikembe Mutombo.

I think these do qualify for HOF. You have changed my mind with this list. Thanks & TP!

[wayupnorth]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

Yeah that’s a good comparison, including the NBA-record 4 DPoY awards, 4 all-star appearances, 5 All-NBA appearances, and 6 All-Defensive appearances they both have.


It’s really just the Pistons success (that he had little to do with) that separates a player like Ben Wallace from Kenneth Faried.

That is just incredibly false. He was very important to that teams success, and comparing him to Faried is laughable, I am sorry.

He is one of the best defensive and rebounding centers in league history, and anchored that unit.

[mgent]

Highly doubtful IMO.  He never broke 10 ppg in his career, barely shot over 40% from the line  and was never a threat on offense except for put backs and alley oops. 

Apart from being part of the Bad Boys teams which can cut both ways (yes, he got a ring but many basketball purists hold the personalities on that team and how they played with disdain--see the already mentioned Rodman as well as Laimbeer, neither who are in the HOF), there's nothing distinguishing him from say Kenneth Faried who has comparable rebounding and shot blocking stats on PER basis and much better other overall stats.  I don't think anyone would be pounding the table that Faried as HOF material even if the Nuggets were perennial contenders and won an NBA championship.

Yeah that’s a good comparison, including the NBA-record 4 DPoY awards, 4 all-star appearances, 5 All-NBA appearances, and 6 All-Defensive appearances they both have.


It’s really just the Pistons success (that he had little to do with) that separates a player like Ben Wallace from Kenneth Faried.

That is just incredibly false. He was very important to that teams success, and comparing him to Faried is laughable, I am sorry.

He is one of the best defensive and rebounding centers in league history, and anchored that unit.

Agree completely with this, I really can't stop laughing at that previous post.

Saying they didn't need Ben is like saying the Bad Boy Piston team didn't need Isiah.