Hayward vs Tatum

[Goldstar88]

It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.


Tatum Rookie year
PPG:14.3   REB:6.5   AST:1.9  FT:82.2  3P%:52.9  FG%:50

Hayward in his 3rd year:
PPG:14.1   REB:3.1   AST:3.0  FT:82.7  3P%:41.5  FG%:43.5

[Tr1boy]

It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.


Tatum Rookie year
PPG:14.3   REB:6.5   AST:1.9  FT:82.2  3P%:52.9  FG%:50

Hayward in his 3rd year:
PPG:14.1   REB:3.1   AST:3.0  FT:82.7  3P%:41.5  FG%:43.5

yes but Tatum is benefiting playing in a solid system from the get go

his situation/results remind me of what happened with Tim Duncan in his first season

Hayward on the other hand, went through hell his first 3-4 seasons in the league

[cman88]

having both of them next year will be scary good.

[Celtics4ever]

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It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.

Better team less pressure on the rookie.

Hayward on the other hand, went through hell his first 3-4 seasons in the league

Agree, he was forged in fire, TP

[Goldstar88]

It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.


Tatum Rookie year
PPG:14.3   REB:6.5   AST:1.9  FT:82.2  3P%:52.9  FG%:50

Hayward in his 3rd year:
PPG:14.1   REB:3.1   AST:3.0  FT:82.7  3P%:41.5  FG%:43.5

yes but Tatum is benefiting playing in a solid system from the get go

his situation/results remind me of what happened with Tim Duncan in his first season

Hayward on the other hand, went through hell his first 3-4 seasons in the league

So shouldn't his stats have been even better on a Jazz team with little talent? Kevin love played with no one in Minnesota and he was putting up monster numbers. It's even more impressive that Tatum is doing this on a talented and deep team.

[Fafnir]

Not every player has the same development curve. Tatum was the number 3 pick in a star studded draft, hopefully he does become a franchise player better than Hayward but its no given.

Hayward developed a lot every year and grew from a lower baseline to be an all-star.

[Roy H.]

It doesn’t really work that way, but it’s been a really impressive start for Tatum.

[CelticsElite]

It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.


Tatum Rookie year
PPG:14.3   REB:6.5   AST:1.9  FT:82.2  3P%:52.9  FG%:50

Hayward in his 3rd year:
PPG:14.1   REB:3.1   AST:3.0  FT:82.7  3P%:41.5  FG%:43.5

yes but Tatum is benefiting playing in a solid system from the get go

his situation/results remind me of what happened with Tim Duncan in his first season

Hayward on the other hand, went through hell his first 3-4 seasons in the league

So shouldn't his stats have been even better on a Jazz team with little talent? Kevin love played with no one in Minnesota and he was putting up monster numbers. It's even more impressive that Tatum is doing this on a talented and deep team.

not all players are equal. Hayward started at a lower floor as more of a project

[Goldstar88]

Not every player has the same development curve. Tatum was the number 3 pick in a star studded draft, hopefully he does become a franchise player better than Hayward but its no given.

Hayward developed a lot every year and grew from a lower baseline to be an all-star.

I think the 2010 draft with Wall, Cousins, Hayward and P. George was a better draft class than this one, by a lot. I don't think anyone thought Tatum would be playing at this level, right away.

[Goldstar88]

It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.


Tatum Rookie year
PPG:14.3   REB:6.5   AST:1.9  FT:82.2  3P%:52.9  FG%:50

Hayward in his 3rd year:
PPG:14.1   REB:3.1   AST:3.0  FT:82.7  3P%:41.5  FG%:43.5

yes but Tatum is benefiting playing in a solid system from the get go

his situation/results remind me of what happened with Tim Duncan in his first season

Hayward on the other hand, went through hell his first 3-4 seasons in the league

So shouldn't his stats have been even better on a Jazz team with little talent? Kevin love played with no one in Minnesota and he was putting up monster numbers. It's even more impressive that Tatum is doing this on a talented and deep team.

not all players are equal. Hayward started at a lower floor as more of a project

Hayward was an elite prospect, he took his team to the final 4 and was drafted 9th overall. He needed to work on his shot, but a project? Was Paul George also a project

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.


Tatum Rookie year
PPG:14.3   REB:6.5   AST:1.9  FT:82.2  3P%:52.9  FG%:50

Hayward in his 3rd year:
PPG:14.1   REB:3.1   AST:3.0  FT:82.7  3P%:41.5  FG%:43.5

yes but Tatum is benefiting playing in a solid system from the get go

his situation/results remind me of what happened with Tim Duncan in his first season

Hayward on the other hand, went through hell his first 3-4 seasons in the league

So shouldn't his stats have been even better on a Jazz team with little talent? Kevin love played with no one in Minnesota and he was putting up monster numbers. It's even more impressive that Tatum is doing this on a talented and deep team.

not all players are equal. Hayward started at a lower floor as more of a project

Hayward was an elite prospect, he took his team to the final 4 and was drafted 9th overall. He needed to work on his shot, but a project? Was Paul George also a project

I dont think project is the right word, but Hayward was definitely a slow-developing player.

george was something of a project.

[Tr1boy]

It took Gordon Hayward 3 years in the league to put up the numbers that Jason Tatum is putting up as a rookie... I understand that the Celtics are only 11 games into the season, but how special is this kid going to be in a few years??? I think he will be a better player than Hayward in 2 years. Tatum's a Franchise player.


Tatum Rookie year
PPG:14.3   REB:6.5   AST:1.9  FT:82.2  3P%:52.9  FG%:50

Hayward in his 3rd year:
PPG:14.1   REB:3.1   AST:3.0  FT:82.7  3P%:41.5  FG%:43.5

yes but Tatum is benefiting playing in a solid system from the get go

his situation/results remind me of what happened with Tim Duncan in his first season

Hayward on the other hand, went through hell his first 3-4 seasons in the league

So shouldn't his stats have been even better on a Jazz team with little talent? Kevin love played with no one in Minnesota and he was putting up monster numbers. It's even more impressive that Tatum is doing this on a talented and deep team.

depends if he is a system player or 1 on 1 talent like Kobe

you think for example Shane Battier would excel on a terrible team

Hayward leans towards the "system" type vs pure 1 on 1 talent. 

[indeedproceed]

That ‘it’s about the system’ stuff is irrelevant Imo. Hayward took much longer to look like a NBA player, let alone a complete player. Jayson Tatum is a legitimate starting quality two-way forward. He’s not great defensively but he’s still good. Hayward turned into a good defender in his 2nd or 3rd year, and has become an underrated plus defender. But as rookies? Tatum through 2 weeks is far superior. This of course means nothing but...yeah.

[Tr1boy]

That ‘it’s about the system’ stuff is irrelevant Imo. Hayward took much longer to look like a NBA player, let alone a complete player. Jayson Tatum is a legitimate starting quality two-way forward. He’s not great defensively but he’s still good. Hayward turned into a good defender in his 2nd or 3rd year, and has become an underrated plus defender. But as rookies? Tatum through 2 weeks is far superior. This of course means nothing but...yeah.

i semi disagree

system does matter

look at Ojeleye... you think he goes to any other team (outside of Celts, Spurs )  and he plays as  well as he has?

Hayward went through growing pains, but it didn't help that the Jazz were horrible

[indeedproceed]

look at Ojeleye... you think he goes to any other team (outside of Celts, Spurs )  and he plays as  well as he has?

Yes. The Raptors, the Thunder, the Hawks, the Nets, the Blazers, I think they all have a need and coaches who would properly identify and value his versatility defensively and known quantity offensively.

Outside of them, how many teams couldn’t use what he’s shown he has? I’m not discounting Danny and Brad being visionaries and giving him the opportunity, but if you took what little he’s done and gave him to the Bucks, Pacers, Knicks, Bulls, T-Wolves, Clippers, anyone probably outside the Rockets and Golden State and I’m being very hesitant with Golden State, maybe Denver too, they’d find minutes for him.