Turnovers on Travel Calls

[footey]

I swear at least half of our turnovers are the result of traveling calls.  You can no longer move your pivot foot before taking your first dribble, or the refs will call it. (This was always the rule; now they decided to start enforcing it.)

So many guys, after establishing their right foot as their pivot foot, will jab fake with their left foot, and then try to move right by lifting the right pivot foot and stepping with it to the right.  That is a travel.  NBA players got away with it for years, maybe decades, but they are trying to reinforce it.

In the meantime, it looks like Stevens has been getting this point across to the players, particularly the rooks, who were the biggest culprits of this violation. The number of instances called seems to be declining the last two games. 

[TomHeinsohn]

What you're describing is an obvious, egregious travel. I think what's annoying so many of us is the travel that's called when a player takes the first step after establishing a pivot foot, and the step occurs half a second before the ball hits the floor on the dribble.

[SHAQATTACK]

I heard complaints for years NBA players traveled all the time and it was mostly ignored unless it out and out obvious to most .   I understand the reasons .

I teresting to hear the push back the old way now.  Also good points

Somewhere in between would be nice.   Some of the old time stars , traveled nearly everytime they put the ball on the floor , but they were hero s, big guys and the the NBA let them .  While always picking on rookies seemingly.


I think the NBA is trying to clean up the game , this is method of the refs maintaining control too. 

I kind of enjoy watching them treading lightly

[Fafnir]

I bet these calls die down as the season goes on, both from players adjusting and the refs "point of emphasis" fades as the season grinds on.

[footey]

What you're describing is an obvious, egregious travel. I think what's annoying so many of us is the travel that's called when a player takes the first step after establishing a pivot foot, and the step occurs half a second before the ball hits the floor on the dribble.

I'm describing what you're describing, just in greater detail than you. It's the same thing.  You can't move the pivot foot before you put the ball to the floor. These guys are so fast they've been getting away with it for years.

[Chris22]

Refs are calling non traveling fakes as travels but Lebron and the Greek Freak take three steps without dribbling and nothing is ever called.
Does the league even look at video in slow motion?

[Fafnir]

Refs are calling non traveling fakes as travels but Lebron and the Greek Freak take three steps without dribbling and nothing is ever called.
Does the league even look at video in slow motion?

In the refs defense it is a much easier call to see on the initial dribble/step than once the drive is in the paint euro-stepping and pivoting.

It does drive me nuts when they miss it on those two though, especially as it cost us crucial points in our two losses.

[Surferdad]

Fafnir, on a related point, I always felt the euro-step is a travel.  You can't take 3 steps even if in the act of shooting.  Can someone convince me otherwise?

[Monkhouse]

Fafnir, on a related point, I always felt the euro-step is a travel.  You can't take 3 steps even if in the act of shooting.  Can someone convince me otherwise?

If the dribble driver ended the dribble with both feet off the floor, then the first foot to touch the floor was the right foot which becomes the pivot foot and then the play becomes legal with a step with the
non-pivot foot, the left, and then the shot before the right foot again touches the floor.

If the dribble driver ended the dribble with the right foot on the floor, again the move is legal and is simply a lay-up shot.

Eurosteps are always tricky.

[Snakehead]

I bet these calls die down as the season goes on, both from players adjusting and the refs "point of emphasis" fades as the season grinds on.

This has been my expectation as well. 

[CelticsBR]

Fafnir, on a related point, I always felt the euro-step is a travel.  You can't take 3 steps even if in the act of shooting.  Can someone convince me otherwise?

The change of direction of the eurostep shouldn't be allowed in my opinion also.

[Alleyoopster]

Refs are calling non traveling fakes as travels but Lebron and the Greek Freak take three steps without dribbling and nothing is ever called.
Does the league even look at video in slow motion?

I can't see the travel calls either. Wish they would show them in slow motion on TV.

[droopdog7]

These traveling calls have definitely been annoying and yeah, they'll probably die down as the season goes down.  To me it seems like the refs are overdoing it and making calls where a travel doesn't exist. 

Or perhaps I don't know the rule?  I figure as long at the player releases the ball before moving his pivot foot he's fine.  But more often than not they're calling that a travel too.

[libermaniac]

Refs are calling non traveling fakes as travels but Lebron and the Greek Freak take three steps without dribbling and nothing is ever called.
Does the league even look at video in slow motion?

My sentiments exactly! TP.  Been getting so tired of that superstar treatment.  Giannis, particularly, travels on every other drive.

[Dino Pitino]

Does a dribble begin when the ball leaves the hand or when the ball touches the court?

(And does a dribble end when it leaves the court or when it reaches the hand again?)