OUR rookie Jayson OUR Jaylen

[rollie mass]

 19 year old Tatum shows how its supposed to be 22 pts  with 4-6 from three point territory,,a put back dunk,fade away and 4 steals, 2 blocks,4 boards  while shooting 60% from floor-That is defense and spreading the floor
AND Jaylen 23pts on 3-6 from three,9-16 fg at 56%,1 steal,1 block,4 boards,2 assists and 66% from foul line while playing excellent defense
To glamorize or give positive press to Simmons wile overlooking he is a 21 year old rookie with an asterisk -he has age , a year of NBA lifestyle and the gym while rehabbing.Simmons hasn't made a three .Has no outside game therefore doesn't stretch the floor  .
Tatum is a 80% free throw shooter-Simmons struggles
Jaylen is quicker,stronger a better athlete, can pull up and shoot threes and plays what is getting to be elite defense.Our guys are celtics
Now i have never called Simmons or Fultz busts but not having NO outside game ,being flawed foul shooters and not spreading floor will lose games that are tight in 4th quarter.Then add in average defense at best -A Rookie of year should not have a big basic hole in their game LIKE zero outside game!!!!.
I'll take our guys on a redraft and we got a pick-
Positive press for our rookie should start now and catch fire with TV games.

[rollie mass]

Simmons shot 3 three pointers at LSU in a year-they don't even know if he is a righty or lefty shooting with wrong hand.NO outside game at LSU for a full year ,now following same pattern.

Fultz is a train wreck at moment -you have two guards that have zero outside game,Fultz is comical from line and a matador on defense-
While Simmons plays" lackadaisical defence and hangs back to  get rebounds or fill passing lanes looking for transition highlite plays" Tthats from a Philly writer.

[Jiri Welsch]

I think you can make the point that Tatum and Brown are impressive players without underselling Simmons to the extent you have.

Simmons is 6'10'' with good handles and great court-vision. Over time he will develop something resembling an outside game, but you are right to recognize that is an oddity, if not weak point, in his game.

Then again...we are only 4 games into the season. I'm more interested how our young studs can do DEFENSIVELY tomorrow (Thursday) vs. Giannis.

Jiri

[TomHeinsohn]

56% is my personal favorite rate at which to shoot 9 of 16.

[ederson]

IMHO the most important thing about them is that they look 100% focused in bball and they keep their head in place.

[cman88]

looks like danny made the right choice with both picks..

I know the season just started, but imagine these guys with another year of development and adding an allstar in Gordon Hayward (or even if you add him by the playoffs).

we could potentially be the warriors of the east pending the development of these two guys.

[rollie mass]

I think you can make the point that Tatum and Brown are impressive players without underselling Simmons to the extent you have.

Simmons is 6'10'' with good handles and great court-vision. Over time he will develop something resembling an outside game, but you are right to recognize that is an oddity, if not weak point, in his game.

Then again...we are only 4 games into the season. I'm more interested how our young studs can do DEFENSIVELY tomorrow (Thursday) vs. Giannis.

Jiri

We are celtics fans and someday will be facing philly for real-they have been tanking for so long and burning through high picks
The more people overlook the effects of zero outside game and its knock on effects and gloss over it the more he will  likely be rookie of year
-The quote on defense was from a philly writer-its our rookie against their rookie -and the press sides against the celtics-
The asterisk of age and having a year in gym and around his teammates is a distinct advantage as is playing with embid-other teams will be gunning at celtics..
I go way back to the rivalry with Philly.
AND i am responding to that factitious post centering on a redraft knowing what you know.
Simmons has zero outside game and shot 3 threes in a whole year at LSU that problem is not going away. This is no oddity but a huge flag Unless he can put in the work and face the embarrassment.This will plague him for his career and be attacked.

There were no holes in Tatums game both ends and Jaylen got his 20 in first half alone.

[RockinRyA]

I dont get why we have to put down other rookies to praise our own players.

Simmons has some work to do on aspects of his game, but so does Brown. If he becomes elite elsewhere, he is still going to be good without a jumpshot. Esp if if he becomes decent in that aspect he will be terrifying, just look at Giannis.

Its too early, just too early, to say definitive things about any of this prospects.

[Eddie20]

I dont get why we have to put down other rookies to praise our own players.

The MO is to criticize other teams talented guys, overhype our untalented scrubs.

Simmons can play and if he gets any semblance of respectability on his shot, then look out. I do think it's interesting to compare some of our picks to the Lakers picks since a few of them were taken back-to-back.

2014
#6 Smart - #7 Randle

2015
#27 Nance - #28 Hunter
#33 Mickey - #34 Brown

2016
#2 Ingram - #3 Brown
#31 Davis (trade to Mem) - #32 Zubac

2017
#2 Ball - #3 Tatum

[Dino Pitino]

but you are right to recognize that is an oddity, if not weak point, in his game.

It's more than just a weak point, it's a fatal flaw in his game if it stays this bad!

In a redraft of 2016 and 2017 combined, Brown and Tatum should go top 2.

[Eddie20]

but you are right to recognize that is an oddity, if not weak point, in his game.

It's more than just a weak point, it's a fatal flaw in his game if it stays this bad!

In a redraft of 2016 and 2017 combined, Brown and Tatum should go top 2.

I can't disagree with that, but I imagine the Sixers still would take Simmons and the Lakers go with Ball. Ingram and Fultz would definitely fall.

[gift]

56% is my personal favorite rate at which to shoot 9 of 16.

Any decent player will shoot 9 of 16 at a rate of 80% or higher. But I guess if you want to lower your standards that's ok.

[rollie mass]

And whats your MO saying Semmi sucks,no motor ,no hustle,no diving for loose balls -no defense -when Brad states just the opposite,his athleticism and lateral are chronicled and he hits from outside
.Or the progress Nader had in d league and his elite wingspan and use of either hand at rim while we suffered through James young. Wasn't it Blakely that tweeted Nader played rock solid in his minutes recently.Did i ever claim that Nader was more than a scorer, from deep on bench and that semmi had pushed him further back-
Reporting d league results is not over hyping,posting that someday Semmi may eclipse Crowder is not over hyping-
And posting that they don't even know if Simmons shoots with the right hand -that he shot 3 three point shots at LSU and  three shots from three. hitting zero for Philly and maybe only one at LSU-
That is a huge huge flag, as is his foul shooting going forward.The press is touting him as rookie of year and has OUR guy down the list.
If Simmons played on a playoff team  he would be exploited with game plans and a liability in 4th quarter-Tatum has no glaring holes in his game-you can take Simmons  but that outside shot is going to be a nightmare to correct if ever.-i'll take Jaylen and Tatum over Simmons and Fultz.Right now!!!!

It seems you are critical to the point of hyperbole of our players and our rookies.
Ask Chicago if Gerald Green was like a knife in the back and didn't play a big part in their losing the last two games of playoffs.-Brad stated how much he feared Green and then there was the chemistry with Isaiah.

[Eddie20]

posting that someday Semmi may eclipse Crowder is not over hyping

Ok, if you say so.

Rollie, I have no motivation in saying Semi and Nader are not good NBA players. In fact, as a Celtics fan I wish they wouldn't suck. I also don't consider that enlightening as most objective (key word) individuals, even those which are casual NBA observers, would see them on the floor and have the same belief.

Tatum and Brown are phenomenal prospects, but what's the point in criticizing Simmons in a thread about Tatum and Brown? Simmons looks really good. Can he shoot perimeter shots? No, but he's an all-around player that has a sky high ceiling. He may never be able to shoot, I hope he doesn't, but if he does how do you stop him? The guy is averaging 17 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.0 spg, and he can't shoot...now imagine if he learns how to be at least a decent shooter.

Answer honestly, you wouldn't love to have Simmons on the Celtics?

[Erik]

I dont get why we have to put down other rookies to praise our own players.

Simmons has some work to do on aspects of his game, but so does Brown. If he becomes elite elsewhere, he is still going to be good without a jumpshot. Esp if if he becomes decent in that aspect he will be terrifying, just look at Giannis.

Its too early, just too early, to say definitive things about any of this prospects.

So when is it no longer early? Let's say the Fultz trend continues for 1 season what's the next excuse ?