Screw the Process-- Screw Lonzo and Trust Danny

[rollie mass]

It seems LA/Lonzo is pushing pace, is that enough to make up for Lonzo having no mid range game ,no burst.What about Lopez not the most mobile center.
Watched a scrimmage video promoting Lonzo and his side being undefeated but they inadvertently
filmed Lonzo getting caught out out underneath and leaving weak side wide open for layup.

Fultz was shown down in Philly and has altered his free throws -imagine a point guard,shooting guard that can't shoot free throws at a high rate and imagine him trying go over the top There also a video released of ta group of players missing about 15 straight jumpers and mid range even layups and floaters-it went viral

Lonzo-Lopez -Ingram are not a very good defensive combo-
Lets draft at number two, a weak defensive point guard and skinny with no burst,no mid range game unable to create for himself and has a dodgy three point release
Hows rondo working out and he can play defense, and he is strong and he can pass and penetrate

Danny got Tatum a brilliant move and Irving another and Hayward another and Horford another and Marcus another and Rozier another and Jaylen another and Brad another-
Ainge-got  tough guys Morris and Baynes ,Semi,Yabusele,Theis and Nader
Not a spoiled ,lazy whimp among our players-
 And we got to East Coast Finals and won a game--And still ALL those future picks.
And only 4 returnees, three young hard nosed defenders now blended with 2 new young all stars AND HORFORD
That's what TRUST DANNY built

[Sketch5]

From what I've heard Tatum is killing it in camp. Irving said he was a Baaaaadddd dude. If it's true then our bench is much better than we thought and we're deeper than we thought. I still wouldn't mind getting on more vet, but DA's been smart to wait and see what pops up.

This team has that '08 feel to it. Not that I think they will win it all, but just how they had great vet talent with young talented bench and guys who were wanting to prove something. And that could be really fun.

I also said in '08 the team needed a season to gel and they wouldn't win until the following year.

[Eddie20]

Ainge-got  tough guys Morris and Baynes ,Semi,Yabusele,Theis and Nader
Not a spoiled ,lazy whimp among our players-

Here is where the Rollie hyperbole starts. How exactly do you know that Semi, Yabusele, Theis, and Nader are tough players? Just because you look tough does not mean you are tough. Sheldon Williams is a pretty good example of this, while Stockton looked like a choir boy but was borderline dirty. Plus, what constitutes toughness for you? To me it's how you handle adversity, take a hit, give a hit, have fight in you, etc. You have basically no evidence to support your claims. Hopefully, they're indeed tough players, but at this point all you're basing that is off looks and some highlight videos.

[Fred Roberts]

I agree with the sentiment. Love nearly all of Danny's moves. The Tatum pick and trade looks brilliant. I was so pumped they picked Jaylen and he looks and acts like a Stud already.

Smart appears ready to break out. Loads of intrigue down the depth chart with young guys.

Lakers already had to dump a top 3 pick to unload Mozgof. Ugh. If Danny did that, people would lose it.

Sixers are enticing, but they are a long ways off. Embiid still fragile and Noel trade was underwhelming. I'm pulling for this team though.

[rollie mass]

Ainge-got  tough guys Morris and Baynes ,Semi,Yabusele,Theis and Nader
Not a spoiled ,lazy whimp among our players-

Here is where the Rollie hyperbole starts. How exactly do you know that Semi, Yabusele, Theis, and Nader are tough players? Just because you look tough does not mean you are tough. Sheldon Williams is a pretty good example of this, while Stockton looked like a choir boy but was borderline dirty. Plus, what constitutes toughness for you? To me it's how you handle adversity, take a hit, give a hit, have fight in you, etc. You have basically no evidence to support your claims. Hopefully, they're indeed tough players, but at this point all you're basing that is off looks and some highlight videos.

Ainge got tough guys morris and Baynes-semi,yabusele,theis-not a spoiled,lazy whimp among them
Morris plays lebron best in league,baynes played rugby,yabusele a boxer,theis defensive player of year loves to rebound ,set pickt and bangs on offensive boards..nader played d league
What i said was not a spoiled,lazy whimp among our players and that was directly after the rookies.
I watched semi play defense, i watched Nader all season and he gave up money to play in celts system.
I live in europe and my son played premier league there are some tough scrappy ,dirty players over here.From Balkans to turkey and Spain-
What right do you have to call that hyperbole--after my calling fultz soft and spoiled  and lonzo a skinny, no defense guard that can't get over a screen.
What are you some sort of English teacher --did you watch yabusele go down the middle for red claws scattering players like bowling pins.
How do yo know these arn't tough guys which was aimed at morris and baynes
Semi has some of the strongest discipline and dedication-watch him at hoops house

I THINK IT IS YOU THAT NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THINGS DEEPER YOUR JUST BEING GIRLY
IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR JUST ON THE RAG LOOKING TO CRTICIZE
I WATCHED THEIS LIVE IN EURO AND HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT ON TIME TO READ AND WATCH EVERYTHING I CAN

[Eddie20]

Ainge-got  tough guys Morris and Baynes ,Semi,Yabusele,Theis and Nader
Not a spoiled ,lazy whimp among our players-

Here is where the Rollie hyperbole starts. How exactly do you know that Semi, Yabusele, Theis, and Nader are tough players? Just because you look tough does not mean you are tough. Sheldon Williams is a pretty good example of this, while Stockton looked like a choir boy but was borderline dirty. Plus, what constitutes toughness for you? To me it's how you handle adversity, take a hit, give a hit, have fight in you, etc. You have basically no evidence to support your claims. Hopefully, they're indeed tough players, but at this point all you're basing that is off looks and some highlight videos.

Ainge got tough guys morris and Baynes-semi,yabusele,theis-not a spoiled,lazy whimp among them
Morris plays lebron best in league,baynes played rugby,yabusele a boxer,theis defensive player of year loves to rebound ,set pickt and bangs on offensive boards..nader played d league
What i said was not a spoiled,lazy whimp among our players and that was directly after the rookies.
I watched semi play defense, i watched Nader all season and he gave up money to play in celts system.
I live in europe and my son played premier league there are some tough scrappy ,dirty players over here.From Balkans to turkey and Spain-
What right do you have to call that hyperbole--after my calling fultz soft and spoiled  and lonzo a skinny, no defense guard that can't get over a screen.
What are you some sort of English teacher --did you watch yabusele go down the middle for red claws scattering players like bowling pins.
How do yo know these arn't tough guys which was aimed at morris and baynes
Semi has some of the strongest discipline and dedication-watch him at hoops house

I THINK IT IS YOU THAT NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THINGS DEEPER YOUR JUST BEING GIRLY
IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR JUST ON THE RAG LOOKING TO CRTICIZE
I WATCHED THEIS LIVE IN EURO AND HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT ON TIME TO READ AND WATCH EVERYTHING I CAN

Things seem to be lost in translation. I'm not disagreeing with Baynes and Morris being tough players. In fact, perhaps even Theis has proven his mettle overseas and in FIBA play. However, including unproven players like Yabulse, Nader, and Semi simply because you watched some highlight videos (even Zeller looks like a HOF in a highlight video), a player gave up money to not play overseas (like Larkin did but I guess he isn't tough), or trained at Hoops House (so what?) is quite a stretch even for you.

What's weird about Ojeleye is that despite his frame and combine numbers he only managed to average 6.9 RPG in a healthy 34.1 MPG on the college level. In addition, last year he played a total of 1195 minutes and only managed to register 15 steals and 22 blocks. For comparison, in his final season at Gonzaga Olynyk played far less minutes (845) and still had more steals (22) and blocks (36). He also averaged more RPG in 8 less MPG. So how good is Ojeleye's motor anyways when rebounds, blocks, and steals are known has hustle stats?

And yes, Rollie your opinions are often hyperbolic and have to be taken with a boatload of salt. This isn't exactly a revelation, though. The majority seems to be aware that you often overrate bench players. Here's hoping you're right, but to proclaim they're "tough" is yes, an exaggeration.

[incoherent]

I understand where this is coming from and I agree with a lot of it. 

I like Lonzo a lot though.  How can anyone here, who has watched as much basketball as we've all watched, honestly look at Lonzo's game and think he's not something special.

No one is expecting a 19 year old rookie point guard to be some defensive stud, no one will care at all if his D sucks. It's suppose to suck, its virtually guaranteed to suck.

But the kid has the perfect skill set and body for a modern NBA point guard, and he has court vision unlike many I've seen in the league.

[Alleyoopster]

It seems LA/Lonzo is pushing pace, is that enough to make up for Lonzo having no mid range game ,no burst.What about Lopez not the most mobile center.
Watched a scrimmage video promoting Lonzo and his side being undefeated but they inadvertently
filmed Lonzo getting caught out out underneath and leaving weak side wide open for layup.

From what I saw in Summer League, it doesn't matter if Ball scores 2 points or 30. He's in a league by himself. He's so unconventional that he reminds me of how Doug Flutie approached playing football for the Patriots. One could never quite figure out where and how Doug was going to operate. Eason on the other hand may have been a better quarterback, but you knew where he was coming from. 

In my opinion most players play hoops in a linear fashion. Ball, on the other hand, is dancing all over the place.

Even when he throws the ball away it's almost like he orchestrated it that way. He doesn't get flustered by his mistakes. It's like he's an artist. He just keeps playing.

He's the consummate opportunist. He fills the lane for stolen passes, blocks the ball from behind if a player beats him to a spot, he's makes baskets easy for big men...either through full court break-away passes or lob passes off a pick and roll.

The ways he beats you seem endless. If he's not scoring or passing, he's nimbly handling the ball, rebounding, driving to hoop, etc.   

I'm not saying Tatum or Brown aren't better players. Just that Ball is quite a unique talent.

[MattyIce]

It seems LA/Lonzo is pushing pace, is that enough to make up for Lonzo having no mid range game ,no burst.What about Lopez not the most mobile center.
Watched a scrimmage video promoting Lonzo and his side being undefeated but they inadvertently
filmed Lonzo getting caught out out underneath and leaving weak side wide open for layup.

Fultz was shown down in Philly and has altered his free throws -imagine a point guard,shooting guard that can't shoot free throws at a high rate and imagine him trying go over the top There also a video released of ta group of players missing about 15 straight jumpers and mid range even layups and floaters-it went viral

Lonzo-Lopez -Ingram are not a very good defensive combo-
Lets draft at number two, a weak defensive point guard and skinny with no burst,no mid range game unable to create for himself and has a dodgy three point release
Hows rondo working out and he can play defense, and he is strong and he can pass and penetrate

Danny got Tatum a brilliant move and Irving another and Hayward another and Horford another and Marcus another and Rozier another and Jaylen another and Brad another-
Ainge-got  tough guys Morris and Baynes ,Semi,Yabusele,Theis and Nader
Not a spoiled ,lazy whimp among our players-
 And we got to East Coast Finals and won a game--And still ALL those future picks.
And only 4 returnees, three young hard nosed defenders now blended with 2 new young all stars AND HORFORD
That's what TRUST DANNY built

Rollie, check you PM's please, and are you in England still? ( i thought you said that's where you were but I could be mistaken)

[moiso]

I understand where this is coming from and I agree with a lot of it. 

I like Lonzo a lot though.  How can anyone here, who has watched as much basketball as we've all watched, honestly look at Lonzo's game and think he's not something special.

No one is expecting a 19 year old rookie point guard to be some defensive stud, no one will care at all if his D sucks. It's suppose to suck, its virtually guaranteed to suck.

But the kid has the perfect skill set and body for a modern NBA point guard, and he has court vision unlike many I've seen in the league.

Agree with all this and I don't agree with Rollie that he can't create his own offense.  He's not going to break people down Kyrie Irving style but when he gets a head of steam he generally gets all the way to the basket where he can hit difficult shots with amazing efficiency.  He's going to be a stud.  It kind of seems that Rollie prefers great athletes and guys with great bodies over guys with actual skills that know how to play the game.

[jambr380]

Where is all this Lonzo love coming from anyway? DA had every opportunity to take him and he decided to trade down. And this is after he let Rondo run the Big 3 show, so he understands what kind of things Lonzo brings to the table. I expect Lonzo to be an exciting player, but does he really project to be better than Rondo?

And sorry, Eddie, nothing was lost in translation. You are just girly    I bet it has been tough around here without LarBrd to banter with.

[Celtics4ever]

Where is all this Lonzo love coming from anyway?

ESPN's love of a story.  His dad, his success as a player, a storied franchise that he is supposed to save, the built up quite a few guys this way.   I think he will have a harder time delivering than some of their past build ups.   He will be fine passing the ball, but in college there were times in games where he was physically exposed by good athletes.   Fox ate his lunch, and the NBA is full of athletes so good luck to him, he is going to need it.

[jpotter33]

The first televised preseason game is tonight on NBATV, and it's Minny versus LAL. I'm pretty excited for this game, not only to see the revamped TWolves, but also to see how Lonzo and this Lakers team will look against a pretty decent TWolves team.

[Surferdad]

I agree with the sentiment. Love nearly all of Danny's moves. The Tatum pick and trade looks brilliant. I was so pumped they picked Jaylen and he looks and acts like a Stud already.

Smart appears ready to break out. Loads of intrigue down the depth chart with young guys.
Lakers already had to dump a top 3 pick to unload Mozgof. Ugh. If Danny did that, people would lose it.

Sixers are enticing, but they are a long ways off. Embiid still fragile and Noel trade was underwhelming. I'm pulling for this team though.

TP Fred.

I really like the off-season moves and the upside of Tatum is pretty exciting.  Jaylen appears ready for a good sophormore season.  Hopefully Smart has a breakout, then you are talking a nice 8 man rotation.

[incoherent]

Where is all this Lonzo love coming from anyway?

ESPN's love of a story.  His dad, his success as a player, a storied franchise that he is supposed to save, the built up quite a few guys this way.   I think he will have a harder time delivering than some of their past build ups.   He will be fine passing the ball, but in college there were times in games where he was physically exposed by good athletes.   Fox ate his lunch, and the NBA is full of athletes so good luck to him, he is going to need it.

Not sure what planet you are living on.  There was nothing but hate for Lonzo for the very reasons you've listed as reason people love him.  His Dad and ESPN turned a lot of people off from Lonzo.

The reason now people are giving Lonzo some love is because of his play at Summer League was pretty captivating.