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Lock up Smart now for cheap

Yes - 4 year for 50 million
59 (84.3%)
No. Wait and see.
8 (11.4%)
No. Final season as a Celtic
3 (4.3%)

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Lock up Smart now for cheap (poll)
« on: September 27, 2017, 08:54:23 PM »

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Smart is in tremendous shape right now.  I mean I never thought he was ever out of shape.  A player out of shape can't work as hard as Smart has shown. 

But he has been able to take his body to another and can't wait to see how much more quickness/explosiveness he has  now.   How much more "everywhere" on the court he is going to be....what a nightmare for opponents

But the #1 thing the fans want to see is his 3 pt shot/overall FG percentage improve.  Seeing drastic improvements on his FT last season (close to 80 percent), I have confidence his 3pt shooting should be better this season.

So before he has the best season of his career and his price tags balloons up (15 million plus a season). What about Danny locking him up as soon as possible

Smart and his camp may flat out reject a 4 year 12-13 million dollar a year deal but a little tweaks here and there...  they may accept

On the premise they would accept.... should Danny aggressively offer him an extension now ?

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 09:02:46 PM »

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I'll let Danny decide. This is to complicated for me to give an opinion on

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 09:05:10 PM »

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MArcus Smart at about 220 pounds. Who is this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHEcCUYhmXs

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 10:13:01 PM »

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So the argument goes, which has been discussed in countless other threads now, that there won't be a whole lot of money lying around next year for FA's, and that we should just wait and match whatever is offered, or if someone wants to throw 24million or something similar at Marcus, let him walk.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 10:17:18 PM »

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Smart is in tremendous shape right now.  I mean I never thought he was ever out of shape.  A player out of shape can't work as hard as Smart has shown. 

But he has been able to take his body to another and can't wait to see how much more quickness/explosiveness he has  now.   How much more "everywhere" on the court he is going to be....what a nightmare for opponents

But the #1 thing the fans want to see is his 3 pt shot/overall FG percentage improve.  Seeing drastic improvements on his FT last season (close to 80 percent), I have confidence his 3pt shooting should be better this season.

So before he has the best season of his career and his price tags balloons up (15 million plus a season). What about Danny locking him up as soon as possible

Smart and his camp may flat out reject a 4 year 12-13 million dollar a year deal but a little tweaks here and there...  they may accept

On the premise they would accept.... should Danny aggressively offer him an extension now ?

They should lock him up now if they can get him on anything less than a crazy deal. Marcus will still be a restricted free agent at the end of this season, yes? If Smart is going to be restricted at the end of this year Danny might just let the market set the price. The fact that The Celtics are capped out makes Marcus more valuable to The Celtics than a team under the cap because the Celtics can't replace Marcus without a trade or signing someone for the minimum.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 01:57:09 AM »

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Smart is in tremendous shape right now.  I mean I never thought he was ever out of shape.  A player out of shape can't work as hard as Smart has shown. 

But he has been able to take his body to another and can't wait to see how much more quickness/explosiveness he has  now.   How much more "everywhere" on the court he is going to be....what a nightmare for opponents

But the #1 thing the fans want to see is his 3 pt shot/overall FG percentage improve.  Seeing drastic improvements on his FT last season (close to 80 percent), I have confidence his 3pt shooting should be better this season.

So before he has the best season of his career and his price tags balloons up (15 million plus a season). What about Danny locking him up as soon as possible

Smart and his camp may flat out reject a 4 year 12-13 million dollar a year deal but a little tweaks here and there...  they may accept

On the premise they would accept.... should Danny aggressively offer him an extension now ?

A couple minor disagreements. 4/50 isn't cheap, that's about what he's worth right now. 4/40 would be cheap.

He was fat last year. He looked slow. Watching him drive to the hoop was like watching somewhere move through waist deep water. He couldn't finish because he had no lift. I don't think there's any thing wrong with saying it. Marcus Smart obviously thought he was overweight because he'd made it a big deal that he lost weight. The fact he lost weight is very encouraging and bodes well for the coming season.

FT% actually doesn't have much correlation with 3pt% at either the college or the pro level. Guys can shoot fairly well form the line and stink out to 3pt%. Smarts shot obviously needs some work, he's like a 30% shooter through 3 years. But his SHOT SELECTION also needs some work, guy needs to realize he shouldn't be shooting eight straight bad threes after one or two makes.

Marcus Smart may reject a 12 million dollar deal, but unless he shows improvement I find it unlikely he gets more than that after the season. Salary cap space league wide had dried up.

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 03:47:37 AM »

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Smart is in tremendous shape right now.  I mean I never thought he was ever out of shape.  A player out of shape can't work as hard as Smart has shown. 

But he has been able to take his body to another and can't wait to see how much more quickness/explosiveness he has  now.   How much more "everywhere" on the court he is going to be....what a nightmare for opponents

But the #1 thing the fans want to see is his 3 pt shot/overall FG percentage improve.  Seeing drastic improvements on his FT last season (close to 80 percent), I have confidence his 3pt shooting should be better this season.

So before he has the best season of his career and his price tags balloons up (15 million plus a season). What about Danny locking him up as soon as possible

Smart and his camp may flat out reject a 4 year 12-13 million dollar a year deal but a little tweaks here and there...  they may accept

On the premise they would accept.... should Danny aggressively offer him an extension now ?

A couple minor disagreements. 4/50 isn't cheap, that's about what he's worth right now. 4/40 would be cheap.

He was fat last year. He looked slow. Watching him drive to the hoop was like watching somewhere move through waist deep water. He couldn't finish because he had no lift. I don't think there's any thing wrong with saying it. Marcus Smart obviously thought he was overweight because he'd made it a big deal that he lost weight. The fact he lost weight is very encouraging and bodes well for the coming season.

FT% actually doesn't have much correlation with 3pt% at either the college or the pro level. Guys can shoot fairly well form the line and stink out to 3pt%. Smarts shot obviously needs some work, he's like a 30% shooter through 3 years. But his SHOT SELECTION also needs some work, guy needs to realize he shouldn't be shooting eight straight bad threes after one or two makes.

Marcus Smart may reject a 12 million dollar deal, but unless he shows improvement I find it unlikely he gets more than that after the season. Salary cap space league wide had dried up.

I was going to do a write up, but you just wrote up everything I was going to say.  So I'll just give you a TP instead! :D

And yes, Smart already admitted that he was 240 pounds last year.  6'3" / 240 lbs is disgraceful for an NBA PG, and at that weight it's no wonder he often struggled so much to keep up with quicker guards.

My problem with locking smart up in a double figure contract is that I'm not honestly convinced that he has the raw talent to ever be a quality starter in the NBA.  I think he can be a good 6th man on almost any team, and can be a nice 5th starter on very specific teams (ones that already have plenty of shooting/scoring) but he's just not one of those guys who you could just throw in to any starting lineup and watch him flourish (such as a Crowder or Avery Bradley could).  That means that IMHO, if you are competing for a title in absolute seriousness, you probably want to have Smart coming off the bench. 

Even just $10M/yr is a lot of money to play for a bench player when the cap is $99M and you already have about $88M committed to three guys (or at least will do when Kyrie's deal runs out).  in 2-3 years we will need to be thinking about what to do with Tatum and Brown as they are coming off their rookie deals, and by the last thing you want to do is push yourself into a position where luxury tax penalties make you have to consider letting on of those two guys walk all because you decided to extend Marcus Smart a few years back.

If I am Danny I am not offering Smart a think until he can go out there and prove (with some consistency) that he has made some legitimate progress, and that there is still untapped potential in the tank...because the last three seasons his game has not changed one iota. I would give him until maybe just before the all-star break, and if he can at least show flashes of improvement, then fine, give him the deal. If not, then hold off.

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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 06:40:10 AM »

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MArcus Smart at about 220 pounds. Who is this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHEcCUYhmXs

The way he's talking about nutrition concerns me. For sustainable weight loss, one has to have the understanding of macronutrient breakdowns and caloric levels. He didn't mention any of that, or bring up any high protein foods he was eating. He said, essentially, that he just cleaned up his diet and did 2 workouts a day. That's not a recipe for sustainable weight. Smart reminded me of Sullenger talking about diet. I predict Smart gains all that weight back by next spring.

The Celtics need to bring in a dietary specialist who has a bodybuilding background.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 06:57:16 AM »

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The way he's talking about nutrition concerns me. For sustainable weight loss, one has to have the understanding of macronutrient breakdowns and caloric levels. He didn't mention any of that, or bring up any high protein foods he was eating. He said, essentially, that he just cleaned up his diet and did 2 workouts a day. That's not a recipe for sustainable weight.

The man is a pro athlete, and those two workouts can be for hours.  So relax.

Give me, a break, cleaning up one's diet can help quite a bit and exercising more usually helps.   You really don't think he spoke to a trainer or nutritionist?   He has the money to do so and good work ethic much better than Sully.

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 07:17:33 AM »

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The way he's talking about nutrition concerns me. For sustainable weight loss, one has to have the understanding of macronutrient breakdowns and caloric levels. He didn't mention any of that, or bring up any high protein foods he was eating. He said, essentially, that he just cleaned up his diet and did 2 workouts a day. That's not a recipe for sustainable weight.

The man is a pro athlete, and those two workouts can be for hours.  So relax.

Give me, a break, cleaning up one's diet can help quite a bit and exercising more usually helps.   You really don't think he spoke to a trainer or nutritionist?   He has the money to do so and good work ethic much better than Sully.

Yeah, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that Sully didn't really clean up his diet (at least during the season). Bodybuilding guys think they have it all figured out in terms of diet  :P but different individuals have different specific needs. Smart is an NBA PG which means he does a LOT of cardio. The key for him isn't necessarily having a nutritionist concocting the perfect tupperware food container meals; it is having his own nutritional plan that is sustainable throughout the course of the season.

Smart clearly put in a lot of work this off-season with exercise and diet, hopefully he doesn't blow it (and he has every incentive not to).

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 07:43:04 AM »

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Encouraged by the weight loss. Looks like rookie Smart.

Part of me thinks he tried to put on weight since he was guarding so many big wings but based off the video, it just looks like he's a guy going through a maturation process (from teenager/college diet to actual grown up diet). Good for him realizing that and he clearly put in the work to rectify it over the summer. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Sully and put all the weight on during the season.

As for offering a contract, I'd be ok with 12 mil per for Smart. I think that is fair. But I don't think he would accept it. Think he'll bet on himself this year and try to cash in.
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2017, 09:07:35 AM »

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The way he's talking about nutrition concerns me. For sustainable weight loss, one has to have the understanding of macronutrient breakdowns and caloric levels. He didn't mention any of that, or bring up any high protein foods he was eating. He said, essentially, that he just cleaned up his diet and did 2 workouts a day. That's not a recipe for sustainable weight.

The man is a pro athlete, and those two workouts can be for hours.  So relax.

Give me, a break, cleaning up one's diet can help quite a bit and exercising more usually helps.   You really don't think he spoke to a trainer or nutritionist?   He has the money to do so and good work ethic much better than Sully.

Yeah, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that Sully didn't really clean up his diet (at least during the season). Bodybuilding guys think they have it all figured out in terms of diet  :P but different individuals have different specific needs. Smart is an NBA PG which means he does a LOT of cardio. The key for him isn't necessarily having a nutritionist concocting the perfect tupperware food container meals; it is having his own nutritional plan that is sustainable throughout the course of the season.

Smart clearly put in a lot of work this off-season with exercise and diet, hopefully he doesn't blow it (and he has every incentive not to).

Both Sully and Smart talked about fruit as their healthy go to... sugar. Ray Allen once said, "Somtimes I'll plurge and have some blueberries"

The hall of famer got it. And look at Ray Allen today. Almost twice their age and looks better than half the league

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2017, 09:12:47 AM »

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I'll let Danny decide. This is to complicated for me to give an opinion on

me too.   But I know i want him on the team some how.

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2017, 09:20:52 AM »

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The way he's talking about nutrition concerns me. For sustainable weight loss, one has to have the understanding of macronutrient breakdowns and caloric levels. He didn't mention any of that, or bring up any high protein foods he was eating. He said, essentially, that he just cleaned up his diet and did 2 workouts a day. That's not a recipe for sustainable weight.

The man is a pro athlete, and those two workouts can be for hours.  So relax.

Give me, a break, cleaning up one's diet can help quite a bit and exercising more usually helps.   You really don't think he spoke to a trainer or nutritionist?   He has the money to do so and good work ethic much better than Sully.

Yeah, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that Sully didn't really clean up his diet (at least during the season). Bodybuilding guys think they have it all figured out in terms of diet  :P but different individuals have different specific needs. Smart is an NBA PG which means he does a LOT of cardio. The key for him isn't necessarily having a nutritionist concocting the perfect tupperware food container meals; it is having his own nutritional plan that is sustainable throughout the course of the season.

Smart clearly put in a lot of work this off-season with exercise and diet, hopefully he doesn't blow it (and he has every incentive not to).

Both Sully and Smart talked about fruit as their healthy go to... sugar. Ray Allen once said, "Somtimes I'll plurge and have some blueberries"

The hall of famer got it. And look at Ray Allen today. Almost twice their agie and looks better than half the league

I just don't think it's fair to compare Smart to Sully. Every off-season we as fans were led to believe that Sully was making a summer transformation and would come back looking like Kevin Love. We were disappointed every single time.

Smart made the declaration only once that he needed to get in shape and he absolutely succeeded. Obviously it can go a lot of different directions from here, but I think we have to trust that Smart knows what he's doing - at least until he goes back to being overweight.

Sometimes it just clicks with people; they know when it's time and in the case of NBA players, they know it can make or break their NBA careers. Guys like Sully, Oliver Miller, Big Baby, Shawn Kemp, etc just couldn't make the commitment.

I don't care if Smart enjoys fruit (also a great source of fiber and many vitamins), as long as he isn't hitting the all-you-can-eat pancake house on a regular basis, he should be fine. I am glad he is taking a concerted effort in his body.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2017, 10:07:56 AM »

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I'm looking closely at two things: which teams will have space to make 8-figure offers, and also how well Brown, Rozier, and Tatum look.

First, no reason to bid against ourselves, first of all.

Second, are we talking about signing him to a starting role, 6th man, or key rotation reserve?

I'm not sure he starts ahead of Brown at SG.

Rozier could play behind Irving well enough to make it not time to pay out a backup PG. Smart is the minutes sharing SG duties with Brown, who has another year on rookie pay, and will need to be paid a year after Marcus.

So wait and watch the Smart/Brown/Rozier competition this season, as they compete for minutes and also who will impress Danny enough to pay to keep. Personally, I like all 3.