If IT4 Was 100% Healthy, Would DA Have Kept Him For LONG Haul?

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Kyrie is 4 years younger.

3 years. 

Many others have said it, but man, you have always been one if the most even keeled, and rational posters on this board, but the Kyrie trade has you trippin'.

Because I corrected an oft-repeated factual mistake?

There's a three year age gap.

OK 3 years.  Making him a whole max-contract with player option younger than IT.   

If you could get IT's productivity for 5 more years versus 2, would you make a trade for that?  Because that is what this is all about.

It's more like IT's production + Crowder's production + Zizic's production + BRK pick's production.

But, that's just rehashing the trade.

On topic, I don't think Danny would have walked away from a healthy IT.  I get the age argument, but Danny committed max dollars to an older Al Horford.

I agree Celtics overpayed for Kyrie. Cavs got enough instant impact players to comp for Kyrie whether they have his clutch factor or not. Cavs won't feel the hit as some project.

With that said, I think in a dissecting trade standpoint, ofcourse we lost the trade.  I also think the over pay was to have a clutch superstar on our team. We completed the path to Lebron in the Conference finals. Hayward is not confirmed to lift us any farther . He is though confirmed to be an efficient high volume wing on our team.

With all we traded, our asset stash is strong and. We have strong projections in player development. Ainge is gambling heavy and I dont blame him.GS set a standard.

[Phantom255x]

So about 75% of people here think Isaiah was never going to be our long term solution regardless (even if he was healthy and Kyrie was never made available in trade talks).

Wow, I can see why IT made that comment about "I could be MVP and it wouldn't matter" at the Cavs press conference the other day. 

[playdream]

So about 75% of people here think Isaiah was never going to be our long term solution regardless (even if he was healthy and Kyrie was never made available in trade talks).

Wow, I can see why IT made that comment about "I could be MVP and it wouldn't matter" at the Cavs press conference the other day. 

Well Ainge doesn't think like majority of people so there you have it

[CelticsQuestFor18]

So about 75% of people here think Isaiah was never going to be our long term solution regardless (even if he was healthy and Kyrie was never made available in trade talks).

Wow, I can see why IT made that comment about "I could be MVP and it wouldn't matter" at the Cavs press conference the other day. 

Well Ainge doesn't think like majority of people so there you have it

So by that logic, Ainge was going to keep Isaiah long term if this hypothetical happened.

[playdream]

So about 75% of people here think Isaiah was never going to be our long term solution regardless (even if he was healthy and Kyrie was never made available in trade talks).

Wow, I can see why IT made that comment about "I could be MVP and it wouldn't matter" at the Cavs press conference the other day. 

Well Ainge doesn't think like majority of people so there you have it

So by that logic, Ainge was going to keep Isaiah long term if this hypothetical happened.

I believe he will gave out 3 year MAX

[Phantom255x]

So about 75% of people here think Isaiah was never going to be our long term solution regardless (even if he was healthy and Kyrie was never made available in trade talks).

Wow, I can see why IT made that comment about "I could be MVP and it wouldn't matter" at the Cavs press conference the other day. 

Well Ainge doesn't think like majority of people so there you have it

So by that logic, Ainge was going to keep Isaiah long term if this hypothetical happened.

I believe he will gave out 3 year MAX

Might not have been enough frankly.

A healthy Isaiah who would have probably put up 25+ PPG next season w/6 APG would have gotten 4 year max offers from some other teams (mostly the mediocre/bad ones).

[droopdog7]

Kyrie is 4 years younger.

3 years. 

Many others have said it, but man, you have always been one if the most even keeled, and rational posters on this board, but the Kyrie trade has you trippin'.

Because I corrected an oft-repeated factual mistake?

There's a three year age gap.

OK 3 years.  Making him a whole max-contract with player option younger than IT.   

If you could get IT's productivity for 5 more years versus 2, would you make a trade for that?  Because that is what this is all about.

It's more like IT's production + Crowder's production + Zizic's production + BRK pick's production.

But, that's just rehashing the trade.

On topic, I don't think Danny would have walked away from a healthy IT.  I get the age argument, but Danny committed max dollars to an older Al Horford.

I agree Celtics overpayed for Kyrie. Cavs got enough instant impact players to comp for Kyrie whether they have his clutch factor or not. Cavs won't feel the hit as some project.

With that said, I think in a dissecting trade standpoint, ofcourse we lost the trade.  I also think the over pay was to have a clutch superstar on our team. We completed the path to Lebron in the Conference finals. Hayward is not confirmed to lift us any farther . He is though confirmed to be an efficient high volume wing on our team.

With all we traded, our asset stash is strong and. We have strong projections in player development. Ainge is gambling heavy and I dont blame him.GS set a standard.

I don't agree that we overpayed.  Zizic was a throw in for salary matching.  Top ten my rear.   That guy is a stiff that is 30 years too late.  Crowder good player on good contract but not a difference maker.  Trading him was worth the cost for giving more time Tatum and brown.  And IT, no, I would not have given him a max contract.  And Cleveland may not either?  The Brooklyn pick?  Complete wild card and wildly overrated around here.

This trade makes so much sense for the celts is unbelieveable.  Makes sense for both teams.  Just because we didn't rip off the other team doesn't mean we lost the trade.

[Phantom255x]

Bump.

I'll say this. If we didn't have Isaiah now (or Kyrie) and Hayward went down, we'd be doomed (probably just a game or two above .500 at best).

But it's still an interesting question.

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The answer is no. IT was a classic Ainge pump-and-dump move from day one.

[Celtics4ever]

No.   IT can't play D and that was always going to be an issue.   That being said, he was the first and soul of the team last year.   A team based around him always had a finite ceiling because other teams know they can get physical with him and put him out of the game.

Cavs got enough instant impact players to comp for Kyrie whether they have his clutch factor or not. Cavs won't feel the hit as some project.

You are aware that Crowder is playing much worse in CLE.   His average is like 8 PPG.  His ability to impact games is much less without CBS hiding his flaws

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6581/jae-crowder

Note these are stats, and some of us here will call you when you simply have nothing but hyperbole to back up your statement.   IT has not played yet this year.  Zizic would not fit into our system.   The pick would have been nice but Ainge got his man and another possible decent pick.   How about some cheese to go with all the whine?

[mr. dee]

If IT was healthy, he probably wouldn't even include the BKN pick in the package.

[Phantom255x]

The answer is no. IT was a classic Ainge pump-and-dump move from day one.

Yeah, Ainge probably thought IT could be a great scorer off the bench, but even he could not have imagined him becoming the player he is now (but unfortunately the ceiling may not be as high with him as the #1 guy).

No.   IT can't play D and that was always going to be an issue.   That being said, he was the first and soul of the team last year.   A team based around him always had a finite ceiling because other teams know they can get physical with him and put him out of the game.

Cavs got enough instant impact players to comp for Kyrie whether they have his clutch factor or not. Cavs won't feel the hit as some project.

You are aware that Crowder is playing much worse in CLE.   His average is like 8 PPG.  His ability to impact games is much less without CBS hiding his flaws

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6581/jae-crowder

Note these are stats, and some of us here will call you when you simply have nothing but hyperbole to back up your statement.   IT has not played yet this year.  Zizic would not fit into our system.   The pick would have been nice but Ainge got his man and another possible decent pick.   How about some cheese to go with all the whine?

Oh I'm definitely aware. I've said that numerous times around here.

Solid player, but CLE and "coach" Lue have no clue how to utilize Crowder's talents/skillset like CBS and the C's did, and it's showing.

[jambr380]

If IT was healthy, he probably wouldn't even include the BKN pick in the package.

IT was never worth near what Kyrie was on the open market - never mind the fact that  he was on an expiring deal.

Cleveland is hoping for the best from IT this year, but the deal was always for the BKN pick. No other pick - besides maybe the LAL/Sac pick - would have gotten the trade done.

[Phantom255x]

If IT was healthy, he probably wouldn't even include the BKN pick in the package.

IT was never worth near what Kyrie was on the open market - never mind the fact that  he was on an expiring deal.

Cleveland is hoping for the best from IT this year, but the deal was always for the BKN pick. No other pick - besides maybe the LAL/Sac pick - would have gotten the trade done.

Boston definitely "outbid" other teams for him.

Supposedly no other team was close to offering Boston's value in trade (Milwaukee's was good, but not THAT good).

[green_bballers13]

Probably, unless DA had a better option. IT is a top 6/7 PG in the league, so that's a tall task. Luckily Kyrie became available.