C's in win-now mode. Dead-end in sight?

[Jvalin]

Trading the Brooklyn pick means the Celtics are entering win-now mode. Problem is, the Warriors may very well be the best team in NBA history. If we can't move the needle past them it doesn't mean anything. The way I see it, it's as if we were in the early 90s and we were trying to compete against the Bulls. That's how good I believe this Warriors team is.

The C's have been a championship driven organization since (at least) the mid/late 50s. They have won a record number of 17 championships. Losing to the Warriors in the Finals is not good enough. All that matters to the C's is banner 18.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should have stopped trying to win. After all, we were a top 2 team in the East last year. My point is, we shouldn't have entered win-now mode. Kyrie-Hayward-Horford aren't good enough to beat KD-Steph-Klay-Green. Not to mention, Brown and Tatum are still way too young. We jumped the gun on the Kyrie trade. He isn't gonna help us beat the Warriors. In fact, nobody was gonna help us beat the Warriors (except maybe for LeBron/Kawhi/AD but they were never available anyway).

[Rondo2287]

Before the trade when we still had Isaiah we needed Tatum and brown to both become all stars to have a chance against GS.  That doesn't change after the trade either. 

The trade does give us a more predictable PG of the future however.  It stabilizes two positions for us for the next 5ish years.  Without this move we needed both brown and Tatum to evolve and IT to remain consistent for the next 3-4 years.  This trade extends our window IMO

[BitterJim]

Trading the Brooklyn pick for a 25 year old All Star does not mean that we are in win now mode. If it was a guy IT's age, then it would probably mean we were entering win now mode, but that's not the case.

Danny will keep doing what he has been doing, which is waiting for a deal to come up that would put us into win now mode, while perfectly happy to just develop from within if the right deal doesn't come up

[RJ87]

Before the trade when we still had Isaiah we needed Tatum and brown to both become all stars to have a chance against GS.  That doesn't change after the trade either. 

The trade does give us a more predictable PG of the future however.  It stabilizes two positions for us for the next 5ish years.  Without this move we needed both brown and Tatum to evolve and IT to remain consistent for the next 3-4 years.  This trade extends our window IMO

Beat me to it. Kyrie is 25, G is 27, Marcus is 23, Jaylen is 20, Jayson is 19. We still could have the Lakers lottery pick next year,  plus the Memphis pick and LAC pick down the line, while retaining our own picks.

People need to breathe. The Nets pick wasn't the end all, be all.

[Bucketgetter]

Before the trade when we still had Isaiah we needed Tatum and brown to both become all stars to have a chance against GS.  That doesn't change after the trade either. 

The trade does give us a more predictable PG of the future however.  It stabilizes two positions for us for the next 5ish years.  Without this move we needed both brown and Tatum to evolve and IT to remain consistent for the next 3-4 years.  This trade extends our window IMO

What are the 2 positions it stabilizes? It would only stabilize point guard

[cman88]

Irving is 25years old. say it takes tatum 3 years to develop. Irving will only be 28. Irvings age played a huge factor in this trade IMO.

he is a piece to win now, and for the future

[bopna]

Competing for a championship now than while waiting for your pups to mature IS the best way to win. What is wrong with that?.
The future ain't written in stone yet and we will never know what happens in it hence thats why we still play the games.
What if an injury happens to any of the Warriors core in the playoffs? Then that certainly changes the game wouldn't it?
A battle tested Kyrie is going to lead the charge...lets see what happens in yr one first before we judge this group...give them a chance to develop because winning does not happen overnight...Kyrie is certainly in that window or timeline that when the J's are good in say 3 to 5 yrs then Kyrie would be at his peak...Ive seen stranger things happen in this game.

[wiley]

Irving is 25years old. say it takes tatum 3 years to develop. Irving will only be 28. Irvings age played a huge factor in this trade IMO.

he is a piece to win now, and for the future

Yup exactly.  Wyc even said something about this being a step-back year of incorporating rookies and new players, but I think he just means not a year to get by Golden State and maybe or maybe not a year to get by Cleveland.

Danny's Kyrie led team (plus Porzingis or Davis?) should start to be truly dominant (if all goes well) in 3 years.  Lots has to go well though.

I think this year's team can get by Cleveland personally unless Cleveland trades the Brooklyn pick for a  star.  One reason is that we are tougher in the front court.  No more waltzing into the lane for easy buckets.  Plus of course Irving's playoff offense and Hayward's al around game. 

[ManUp]

I think we've learned a few things this off-season.

Danny wasn't impressed with Fultz and truly liked Tatum more, If so we could've just drafted him and traded IT.

Danny didn't want to commit the max to IT.

Danny thinks Kyrie has top ten potential and he values his upside over the pick.

[Rosco917]

Unfortunately were facing an incredible obstacle in the west called the Golden State Warrior. I'm thinking 3rd year, more than 1 or 2.

In 3 years, Tatum and Brown have some good experience under their belts, Hayward will be 30, and Irving  only 28. Plus Big Al will be 32 and still have use, Marcus 26.

This was the plan all along. IMO

[droopdog7]

Can we stop putting so much weight on next years brooklyn pick.  We just had two straight #3 picks.  If one of those guys isn't going to be a star (and I'm not saying they aren't) then what makes people think next years unknown Brooklyn pick is going to be that star.  We don't even know what place they're going to end up in or how good those high school guys will be.

[PAOBoston]

Cs are not in win now mode. They are trying to build a team that can be a contender 3-5 years from now. That doesn't mean they won't try to be competitive but I think they will continue to make moves with that timeframe in mind.

[jambr380]

Can we stop putting so much weight on next years brooklyn pick.  We just had two straight #3 picks.  If one of those guys isn't going to be a star (and I'm not saying they aren't) then what makes people think next years unknown Brooklyn pick is going to be that star.  We don't even know what place they're going to end up in or how good those high school guys will be.

Man, it is only going to get worse, too. If the BKN pick lands at, say, #4, and a player taken at or after #4 becomes a bigger star than Kyrie, then we are all going to hear about what a mistake Danny made...for years (see: Giannis).

People will totally dismiss the players taken in that range that are average (or busts) that we very well could have taken instead. They will also dismiss the fact that Kyrie, while still young himself, is ready to compete NOW, rather than waiting several years for said star to develop.

The only way this doesn't become a miss for Danny is if we a win a championship with Kyrie as the main guy. Any other scenario will lead to people [continuing to] call for his head...even though he is the one that orchestrated the brilliant BKN trade that brought back James Young (bleh), Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum, Kyrie Irving, and the LAL/Sac pick for 1 year of PP and 1 1/2 yrs of KG.

[Big333223]

This question is bizarre to me. Irving is 25, Smart is 23, Brown is 20, Tatum is 19, and they'll have another quality draft pick from either the Lakers or the Kings. I guess we're in "win now" mode if "now" means "sometime over the course of the next 8 years."

[Roy H.]

Can we stop putting so much weight on next years brooklyn pick.  We just had two straight #3 picks.  If one of those guys isn't going to be a star (and I'm not saying they aren't) then what makes people think next years unknown Brooklyn pick is going to be that star.  We don't even know what place they're going to end up in or how good those high school guys will be.

Man, it is only going to get worse, too. If the BKN pick lands at, say, #4, and a player taken at or after #4 becomes a bigger star than Kyrie, then we are all going to hear about what a mistake Danny made...for years (see: Giannis).

People will totally dismiss the players taken in that range that are average (or busts) that we very well could have taken instead. They will also dismiss the fact that Kyrie, while still young himself, is ready to compete NOW, rather than waiting several years for said star to develop.

The only way this doesn't become a miss for Danny is if we a win a championship with Kyrie as the main guy. Any other scenario will lead to people [continuing to] call for his head...even though he is the one that orchestrated the brilliant BKN trade that brought back James Young (bleh), Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum, Kyrie Irving, and the LAL/Sac pick for 1 year of PP and 1 1/2 yrs of KG.

If the Nets pick turns out better than Kyrie, Danny *should* be criticized.