How much higher is our teams basketball IQ now? (Kyrie + Hayward + Tatum)

[CelticsElite]

Thinking about our subtractions and additions (no offense to crowder and IT) but Kyrie,Hayward, and Tatum seem to have very advanced games. tatum alone we've seen has an advanced game for his age and i lend it to basketball IQ. all 3 of these guys have many weapons from all areas of the cuort. how long has it been since we've had 1 let alone 3 guys that can shoot and score from anywhere? sure you could say IT, but he had trouble penetrating in the playoffs and i feel like that will be an ongoing issue with his hip now falling apart.


feel like we have a team full of high iq basketball geeks from the bottom to coach stevens. i cant wait to see how cbs cant bring out the best of these guys.

[Roy H.]

I don't think any of IT, AB, Jae or even Amir had a low BBIQ. All were very smart players with good instincts.

[The Oracle]

I don't think any of IT, AB, Jae or even Amir had a low BBIQ. All were very smart players with good instincts.

Avery Bradley has an extremely low BBIQ. 

[greece66]

I don't think any of IT, AB, Jae or even Amir had a low BBIQ. All were very smart players with good instincts.

Avery Bradley has an extremely low BBIQ.

Based on what?

[jpotter33]

I don't think any of IT, AB, Jae or even Amir had a low BBIQ. All were very smart players with good instincts.

IT, Jae, and Amir had pretty average BBIQs, but saying they were "smart" players is quite a stretch.

AB, on the other hand, had one of the worst BBIQs in the league hands down.

[Roy H.]

I don't think any of IT, AB, Jae or even Amir had a low BBIQ. All were very smart players with good instincts.

IT, Jae, and Amir had pretty average BBIQs, but saying they were "smart" players is quite a stretch.

AB, on the other hand, had one of the worst BBIQs in the league hands down.

AB's IQ was so bad that he was an elite defender, rebounder and cutter. He rarely took bad shots , moved the ball, and had relatively few turnovers.

So, defend your statement. One of the worst in the NBA? And there's not even a question? Prove it.

And you don't think a 5'9" guy who makes the All-NBA team while leading the offense with the second best assist rate is smart? He must have relied purely on his physical gifts to finish in the top 2% of all NBA players?

[Ogaju]

Yeah ...you might want to be careful with the BBIQ thing. It's just. code for calling some players smart and some dumb.

[moiso]

I think our collective IQ got lower, now that we will be leaning on brown and Tatum more than anticipated. 

[trickybilly]

Yeah ...you might want to be careful with the BBIQ thing. It's just. code for calling some players smart and some dumb.

? I always thought it meant basketball decision-making.

So for instance, Jaylen, who is obviously super intelligent and probably has a higher IQ than most schmucks on this forum, would have only an average BBIQ coz he makes poor decisions.. when to attack, where to move etc...

[moiso]

Yeah ...you might want to be careful with the BBIQ thing. It's just. code for calling some players smart and some dumb.

? I always thought it meant basketball decision-making.

So for instance, Jaylen, who is obviously super intelligent and probably has a higher IQ than most schmucks on this forum, would have only an average BBIQ coz he makes poor decisions.. when to attack, where to move etc...

Way below average in my opinion, but will certainly improve with time.

[jpotter33]

I don't think any of IT, AB, Jae or even Amir had a low BBIQ. All were very smart players with good instincts.

IT, Jae, and Amir had pretty average BBIQs, but saying they were "smart" players is quite a stretch.

AB, on the other hand, had one of the worst BBIQs in the league hands down.

AB's IQ was so bad that he was an elite defender, rebounder and cutter. He rarely took bad shots , moved the ball, and had relatively few turnovers.

So, defend your statement. One of the worst in the NBA? And there's not even a question? Prove it.

And you don't think a 5'9" guy who makes the All-NBA team while leading the offense with the second best assist rate is smart? He must have relied purely on his physical gifts to finish in the top 2% of all NBA players?

There's a difference between talent and BBIQ. IT is an elite offensive player because of his talent and skill, not BBIQ. On the flip side you have those like Rondo who relied more on their BBIQ than their high skill level.

As for AB, I think that's pretty obvious to anyone (like yourself) who watched him a lot through the years.

His decision-making was always atrocious, whether it was making bad passes, leading the break, attacking at inopportune times, etc. And with his D, while he might legitimately be a top-5 all-time on-ball defender, he was a rather "meh" off-ball defender that would regularly gamble and not make proper transitions.

But one thing I will say for him is that he largely knew his role as a 3 and D guy, and he was a good shooter, which allowed him more leeway with his shot selection. But it was pretty clear when he stepped outside of his limited role how poor his BBIQ was.

[jpotter33]

Yeah ...you might want to be careful with the BBIQ thing. It's just. code for calling some players smart and some dumb.

? I always thought it meant basketball decision-making.

So for instance, Jaylen, who is obviously super intelligent and probably has a higher IQ than most schmucks on this forum, would have only an average BBIQ coz he makes poor decisions.. when to attack, where to move etc...

Yeah, I think people have differing concepts of what BBIQ entails.

I think most people interpret it like yourself, meaning basketball decision-making, proper reads, court vision, etc.

Passing is one of the surest indicators of BBIQ. Think about good passers in the league - Paul, Lebron, Ginobli, etc. Even on our own team Horford and Smart are regularly considered good passers with high BBIQ, though Smart's is due to his superb defensive reads, too.

[colincb]

I do not buy that any of the players  coming in have a high BBIQ which consists of making the right play at the right time. Tim Duncan fits the definition as well as any player and currently, Al Horford certainly fits the bill. Admittedly, I haven't seen enough of Hayward to say much of anything, but Irving's defenses lapses have been pretty striking at times and it's pretty much a known of Tatum's game that he's a black hole on offense and raw on defense.

As for IT, Amir, Jae, and AB? IT has a pretty high basketball IQ from what I can see, but is limited defensively by his size. IT makes many good passes under intense pressure. Offensively, he’s outstanding, but it’s impossible to say he accomplishes his feats solely because of his ridiculous athleticism.

Amir is an advanced stats dream with amazing +/- stats throughout his career which generally indicates that he doesn't do dumb things and does many positive things not readily apparent to those who follow the ball with their eyes. Jae has decent +/- stats, but is nowhere in Amir's class. Certainly tough to make him out to be a high BBIQ guy though.

That leaves Avery, who cannot be one of the lowest BBIQ guys in the NBA. Too good a defender. On the other side of the ball, he definitely has issues, which I attribute to tunnel vision for a lack of a better term. The game speeds up when he has the ball in his hands, unlike high BBIQ guys where the game slow down. Avery is fine as a one or two dribble shooter, but in terms of creating a shot and dishing off if it's not there, he's brutal. Always was.

Nonetheless, that does not make him one of the lowest BBIQ players in the NBA. They cannot do anything right other than shoot the ball, if that. Think Gerald Green for his first stint through BOS, Michael Beasley, Kwame Brown, Michael Bennett, to name some famous ones. We've had a few like Fab Melo, the Brazilian center who has left this earth too early who didn’t know when to duck and Ricky Davis.

[gouki88]

Definitely.

[SHAQATTACK]

don't know about IQ

but I bet the price of good tickets just increased 3X