Poll: Irving and Hayward, or KG and Ray

[KG Living Legend]

 You can't factor in Paul Pierce. And you definitely should factor in longevity.

[smokeablount]

Love the enthusiasm, but I'm prolly gonna have to see the first duo play at least one game first 

[littleteapot]

KG is a lock first ballot hall of famer and Ray Allen is the best catch-and-shoot player in NBA history. It isn't even close.

[green_bballers13]

KG is a lock first ballot hall of famer and Ray Allen is the best catch-and-shoot player in NBA history. It isn't even close.

Yeah. For this debate, I think a lot has to work out in Irving and Hayward's favor. If they win a ring, this conversation becomes much more relevant.

[blink]

KG completely changed the culture of the team.  Neither KI or GH is going to do that.

[colincb]

KG and RA won a ring and are 1st ballot HOFers AND we got them for Jeff Green, Big Al, and table scraps.

[SHAQATTACK]

this plain common sense

KG .....is THE man.

[moiso]

KG completely changed the culture of the team.  Neither KI or GH is going to do that.

Not for the better.

[GreenEnvy]

KG and RA won a ring and are 1st ballot HOFers AND we got them for Jeff Green, Big Al, and table scraps.

What's the tally on the cost of KI/GH?

IT
Crowder
Zizic
Olynyk
Bradley for Morris
Fultz for Tatum and Lakers/Kings pick
Nets 2018 first-rounder
Miami 2020 second-rounder

Then guys like Johnson and Jerebko who probably wouldn't have been back anyway. Missing anyone?

[crimson_stallion]

Are you insane? 

In their primes KG was a 24/14/5 guy and a top 3 defender in the league, and Ray Allen was a 26 PPG scorer and possibly the best shooter in the entire NBA.

I can understand comparing Kyrie to Ray, but comparing KG to Hayward?  Man, that's borderline insulting to KG.

Not even in his own dreams is Hayward even close to KG.

[blink]

KG completely changed the culture of the team.  Neither KI or GH is going to do that.

Not for the better.

Oh I disagree.  We were immeasurably better once we got KG.  If he hadn't have gotten injured we might have three peated.  He made everyone on the team better.

The day KG walked in we had a championship mentality and it really didn't change until the last year he was here right before he was traded. 

[SparzWizard]

It's been 10 years since we last had huge franchise-changing players come to Boston.

[moiso]

Are you insane? 

In their primes KG was a 24/14/5 guy and a top 3 defender in the league, and Ray Allen was a 26 PPG scorer and possibly the best shooter in the entire NBA.

I can understand comparing Kyrie to Ray, but comparing KG to Hayward?  Man, that's borderline insulting to KG.

Not even in his own dreams is Hayward even close to KG.

Well to be a little more fair, Hayward is in his prime and KG never did better than 19 and 9 on the Celtics.  His second best year was like 16 and 8.  But he is a legend and Hayward is not yet.  And KG absolutely instantly changed the culture.

[moiso]

KG completely changed the culture of the team.  Neither KI or GH is going to do that.

Not for the better.

Oh I disagree.  We were immeasurably better once we got KG.  If he hadn't have gotten injured we might have three peated.  He made everyone on the team better.

The day KG walked in we had a championship mentality and it really didn't change until the last year he was here right before he was traded.

I know, I was agreeing with you.  I said KI and GH won't change the culture for the better when figuring in the subtraction of Bradley, IT, and Crowder.  Plus Irving can be moody.

[KG Living Legend]

Are you insane? 

In their primes KG was a 24/14/5 guy and a top 3 defender in the league, and Ray Allen was a 26 PPG scorer and possibly the best shooter in the entire NBA.

I can understand comparing Kyrie to Ray, but comparing KG to Hayward?  Man, that's borderline insulting to KG.

Not even in his own dreams is Hayward even close to KG.

 Nobody is factoring age. I guarantee Hayward and can Irving win two rings together. And Irving will be here for 7 years at least and Hayward probably the same.

 This is huge people. 7 prime years vs About two prime years. Now if KG we're 25 this would be a  no contest, but he wasn't he be was 31.