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What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« on: August 26, 2017, 11:12:12 PM »

Offline celticpride1

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How do we react? Rookies
Get a lot more time Tatum Brown play huge mins. Rozier needs to take a huge leap. Or does Ainge have backup plan? Westbrook maybe anther buy low option like he did on It4? Idk going to be an interesting week .

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2017, 11:17:18 PM »

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Don't Danny lets this fail. kyrie is part of his long term plans

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2017, 11:23:36 PM »

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Plan B is plan A ..... just stay put as we were. Cash in the draft picks  If IT wants to play he can if he wants to be unprofessional and not play, not a whole lot you can do about that.

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2017, 11:23:39 PM »

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I'm pretty sure that Danny had anticipated this move from Koby Altman and the Cavs even before he agreed to the trade. It's clear they're trying to get some more assets. They don't want to take Kyrie back. They want this to go ahead, they're getting a great deal as it is.

It wouldn't surprise me either if Danny was expecting and had budgeted to give up a second round pick or some sweetener in anticipation of this even before he agreed to the initial trade, as insurance to make sure the trade didn't fall apart. So he gives up Jabari Bird or Abdel Nader as a good faith thing. Danny's not stupid and I'm sure he would have anticipated this move from the Cavs. There's no way they're fundamentally restructuring this trade at this point.
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Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 11:28:55 PM »

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To follow on your point, every good negotiator has a best alternative plan. Danny knows his. If Cavs give him a deal better than his best alternative he will take it. If not he goes with his best alternative.

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2017, 01:15:28 PM »

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Danny's more blindsided by this than anyone.  Otherwise the news about IT's hip would have come from the Celts and not the Cavs...

Think about it, what's IT's trade value around the league now he's failed the Cavs physical?  It's nothing.  He went from "recovering" to "damaged goods" overnight.  If the Celtics have to take him back now, not only is he untradeable until he proves he can play again, but he's also going to HATE playing here.   

Also, if the hip injury had played prominently in trade talks with the Cavs it would have been among the first excuses given for the trade from the Boston end.  It would make the trade appear completely reasonable and paint a sympathetic picture of management.  Instead they maligned IT with the Broussard leaks about his teammates not liking him.  Only after it was rumored IT had failed his physical did Ainge mention the hip potentially having anything to do with the trade.

Right now the Celtics are scrambling.  The Cavs position has only improved, they still need to trade Kyrie, but now a market value has been set for him.  The whole league knows his trade value has been established at a star, a lottery pick, a solid starer, and a prospect.  That's pretty beneficial for the Cavs even if they have to hold onto Kyrie for a few more months. 

If this was a poker game - Koby Altman just got Ainge to go all in and expose his hand right before the last round of betting.

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2017, 01:24:28 PM »

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Well here's what I say. They should throw in Shumpert and we have a deal.

This has Gilbert written all over it.

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2017, 01:28:32 PM »

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The NBA needs to step in and have an independent Dr. check out IT's hip. This will end all of this cat and mouse. The Cavs knew the extent of the injury.

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2017, 01:30:17 PM »

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How do we react? Rookies
Get a lot more time Tatum Brown play huge mins. Rozier needs to take a huge leap. Or does Ainge have backup plan? Westbrook maybe anther buy low option like he did on It4? Idk going to be an interesting week .

Even if the Cavs veto the deal.... I think the league will step into this one and force the Celtics to give up minimal compensation  (example happened with Jeff Green with OKC trade. Celtics received a future 2nd)

best case, all Danny has to do is give up a few 2nd round picks extra for all of this mess

If not the Celts give up their own 2019 1st

Cavs really can't ask for more as the 2019 Memphis or Clippers pick are valuable.   Memphis could be a borderline playoff team next season and Celts could net a 15-17 pick. Clippers could blow it up after this season. Who knows

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2017, 01:40:26 PM »

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We don't really know what the Cavs knew about IT other than what Danny told them, and what the medical reports said. Now they've examined him.

I'm afraid this will cause other NBA teams to begin making offers to the Cavs. With the injury to IT the window was left open a tiny bit, and the Cavs took advantage of it.

Get this done Danny, or we're in a terrible position.

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2017, 01:50:53 PM »

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How do we react? Rookies
Get a lot more time Tatum Brown play huge mins. Rozier needs to take a huge leap. Or does Ainge have backup plan? Westbrook maybe anther buy low option like he did on It4? Idk going to be an interesting week .

Even if the Cavs veto the deal.... I think the league will step into this one and force the Celtics to give up minimal compensation  (example happened with Jeff Green with OKC trade. Celtics received a future 2nd)

best case, all Danny has to do is give up a few 2nd round picks extra for all of this mess

If not the Celts give up their own 2019 1st

Cavs really can't ask for more as the 2019 Memphis or Clippers pick are valuable.   Memphis could be a borderline playoff team next season and Celts could net a 15-17 pick. Clippers could blow it up after this season. Who knows
There is no justification for the NBA to step in.  The trade is not complete until the Cavs accept IT's physical.  If they don't, the trade just doesn't happen.  Irving remains an Cav and IT, Crowder, Ziziv remain Celtics and there is nothing to provide compensation for.   

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2017, 01:51:11 PM »

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We don't really know what the Cavs knew about IT other than what Danny told them, and what the medical reports said. Now they've examined him.

I'm afraid this will cause other NBA teams to begin making offers to the Cavs. With the injury to IT the window was left open a tiny bit, and the Cavs took advantage of it.

Get this done Danny, or we're in a terrible position.


I think if the Cavs find a better deal, void the Celts deal ..... Celtics will appeal the move and the league will step in

bad faith negotiating

plus whichever 3rd team steps in to try to take adv of the situation.... it will burn bridges between owners. Its a cheap move

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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2017, 01:51:19 PM »

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How do we react? Rookies
Get a lot more time Tatum Brown play huge mins. Rozier needs to take a huge leap. Or does Ainge have backup plan? Westbrook maybe anther buy low option like he did on It4? Idk going to be an interesting week .

Question # 1
I'm sorry, but are we talking about the same Westbrook that just won the MVP as a "buy-low option"?

Question # 2
Did Triboy create another account?

Re: What the hell is plan b if this falls apart
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2017, 02:07:57 PM »

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I'm pretty sure that Danny had anticipated this move from Koby Altman and the Cavs even before he agreed to the trade. It's clear they're trying to get some more assets. They don't want to take Kyrie back. They want this to go ahead, they're getting a great deal as it is.

It wouldn't surprise me either if Danny was expecting and had budgeted to give up a second round pick or some sweetener in anticipation of this even before he agreed to the initial trade, as insurance to make sure the trade didn't fall apart. So he gives up Jabari Bird or Abdel Nader as a good faith thing. Danny's not stupid and I'm sure he would have anticipated this move from the Cavs. There's no way they're fundamentally restructuring this trade at this point.

If Danny gives up anything it will come across as him admitting he wasn't being totally honest about IT's health.  For that reason alone I think he stands his ground.  Otherwise it's like him saying "Whoops, you got me!  Oh well, I tried.  Here's another pick to actually make this thing even."

That would really be bad for business in the future when it comes to Ainge trying to make trades.  No one would believe him.

Also, by standing his ground, he's showing that what he offered is truly, in his mind, an already great deal for the Cavs.  He's proven he's willing to overpay.  He's proven that it's ok to deal with the Celtics because you aren't always going to be on the losing end of the deal.

So many people said earlier this summer that "No one wants to trade with Danny because he HAS to win every deal."  Well this kills that narrative, if Danny stands firm and doesn't show that maybe he wasn't 100% honest and gives up another asset.

Too many other big picture things going on here.  You can't just say "Ah, a second rounder added to this is easy to give up."

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2017, 02:22:20 PM »

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How do we react? Rookies
Get a lot more time Tatum Brown play huge mins. Rozier needs to take a huge leap. Or does Ainge have backup plan? Westbrook maybe anther buy low option like he did on It4? Idk going to be an interesting week .
Given that what you're seeing right now wasn't really a plan, I'm not sure why we need plan B.
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