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Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« on: July 19, 2017, 02:17:32 AM »

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There are so many possibilities it's nuts. Starting five Horford/Hayward/Crowder/Brown/Thomas

 Second team Zizic/Yabu/Morris/Tatum/Smart look at the rebounding of the second team, that's a big, strong, Tough Team and I didn't even include Rozier, Baynes,Semi

Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 03:09:33 AM »

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 Can't believe the NBA Experience we can use on the second team.

Baynes 30, Sixth Season
Morris 27, Seventh season
Tatum 19, First Season
Rozier 22, Third season
Smart 22, Forth Season

 I'd still want Tatum to be the #1 option on offense, followed by Morris

Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 08:27:24 AM »

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Doubt Zizic will see much playing time this year... if they were confident he would be ready we wouldn't have signed a 1-year deal for a fringe starting C to play backup C in Baynes... especially with players like Willie Reed available.

Start: Horford, Vet, Hayward, Brown, IT
2nd Unit: Baynes, Tatum, Crowder, Smart, Rozier
Closing Unit: Baynes, Horford, Crowder, Hayward, IT

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 08:37:58 AM »

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Doubt Zizic will see much playing time this year... if they were confident he would be ready we wouldn't have signed a 1-year deal for a fringe starting C to play backup C in Baynes... especially with players like Willie Reed available.

Start: Horford, Vet, Hayward, Brown, IT
2nd Unit: Baynes, Tatum, Crowder, Smart, Rozier
Closing Unit: Baynes, Horford, Crowder, Hayward, IT

You don't think Morris gets regular minutes? Can't see him not playing.

Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 08:44:34 AM »

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I think the starting lineup will have changes during year based on matchups. Don't think Stevens will just pick one and roll with it. For example, we might see Smart to start as a guard to begin the season until Brown takes the next stepnin his development or Baynes if the other team utilizes a traditional lineup with 2 bigs. Otherwise, I expect the Cs to run out a flexible lineup to create mismatches on offense.

What I would like to see:

Starters: IT/Brown/ Hayward/Crowder/Horford

Bench: Rozier/Smart/Tatum/Morris/Baynes.

Don't think Zizic gets much time. Might be something of a red shirt year for him until he gets acclimated. Ojeleye could get some minutes on wing.

Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 08:52:56 AM »

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I think this topic has been addressed in other threads but i think vets start and young players come off the bench.  More specifically:

Starters:
Thomas
Crowder
Hayward
Morris
Horford

Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Brown
Zizic
Baynes (I guess Baynes is a vet)

Crowder and Hayward play kind of positionless.  It won't really matter which you call SG and which you call SF.  I also hope that Crowder does not play PF other than in desperation situations.  Hopefully other actual bigs will play well enough that Crowder at PF is not necessary.  I see Morris the starter at PF, much like Amir was the starter, but possibly not finishing games.  I see Baynes getting plenty of minutes and depending on matchups, maybe getting crunch time minutes.  And finally, I think Tatum will earn his way into the rotation in time but just not right away.  Rozier will probably be the one to lose minutes.

Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 09:19:55 AM »

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Start:
IT
Brown
Hayward
Morris
Horford

Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Crowder
Tatum
Baynes

The starting unit is all guys 6'7"-6'10" excluding IT, which should really help versatility on both ends of the floor. It also has Hayward and IT, both of whom I expect to have ~25ppg seasons.

Then you bring in a gritty bench with lots of physicality in Smart, Baynes and Crowder, as well as some finesse.
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Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2017, 09:21:11 AM »

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Starters

Thomas
Brown
Hayward
Morris
Horford


Bench

Rozier
Smart
Tatum
Crowder
Baynes

Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 09:29:33 AM »

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Starters:

Thomas
Smart
Hayward
Morris
Horford

Bench:

Rozier
Brown
Tatum
Crowder
Baynes

Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2017, 10:47:04 AM »

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There are a couple  of questions that will be fun to see Stevens resolve.

Thomas 32 mpg
Will Stevens consider starting Hayward 32 mpg--at the two, thus, creating a 50+ PPG backcourt?
If above, then Crowder 32 mpg --is the starting small forward
Horford  32 mpg --is the PF
I see Stevens starting Baynes 24 mpg --at center

There you have it, solid veteran starting line up.

Smart 30 mpg our sixth man/game closer like no other
Rozier 18 mpg part of our guard rotation/attack dog
Nader  12 mpg yes, the Egyptian is going to get minutes at the SG/SF
Brown 17 mpg some nights more & some nights less
Tatum 12 mpg hopefully, he'll get it up to 25 mpg and be ROY
Morris  20 mpg backs up Horford while being the "center" on the second unit

This second unit probably doesn't get that many minutes together. Stevens doesn't seem to do it that way.

Bench guys below have to wait their turn.
Zizic d league for awhile
Semi d league
Yabusele already did D league, but, he is behind, Horford, Morris and Baynes...sort of.

Back to the thread.

A popular line up here at CB features Jaylen Brown at the two...young, fast, defensive hustle with one issue. Brown is not yet offering the offensive punch needed at the SG. My guess is Stevens won't start Brown at the two. Veterans start, young guys come rushing in and hustle (it worked for Bradley didn't it?)

In SL, which is meaningless, Nader was playing a lot of "guard." The Celtics are shy on guards at this moment, thus, I suggest Nader and Brown do the sg/sf shuffle. My issue with Nader is handle. Doesn't look "guard like" enough for me, but, he has solid offense with threes, I estimate he drove on the basket 9 times a game in SL and he has jumpers and floaters and a four year deal. Shockingly enough, Nader may not be the killer athlete that Brown is, but, he can score more than Brown can as of this moment.

In closing, who sez Thomas is going to be on the court in late October? Monkey wrench city? Not really.

Smart
Hayward
Crowder
Horford
Baynes

Still the veteran starting line up Stevens might choose.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2017, 01:12:59 PM »

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This is a fun little game...

I'm certainly not seeing Brown as a starter just yet, and not at shooting guard. Not until his handle tightens up, and he shows he can shoot or even score the ball consistently. He's still only 20 years old.

He's a SF, the problem is he has Hayward, Crowder, and Tatum at the same position. So we're praying the round peg can fit into the square hole. I hope so too.

Also, I've been investigating the injury to IT a bit on my own. It's a very serious injury for a player that hits the hardwood as often as Thomas does. It's like a guy with a bad knee continually smashing his knee against the hardwood floor. Every time he goes to the floor he risks not getting up again. A-Rod had a similar operation, and was never the same being just a DH. The solution is simply don't get knocked to the floor, and we all know that ain't gonna happen with IT, unless he completely changes his style of play.

He's between a rock and a hard place, if he gets operated on he misses over half the season, and gets to watch the Brinks Truck pass by. Instead he chose to rest the hip, and give it a go. What ever that means.
I'm just hoping the starting line-up doesn't look like:

Smart
Hayward
Crowder
Horford
Morris



Re: Build the best Starting five and Bench Five
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2017, 01:38:32 PM »

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Start:
IT
Brown
Hayward
Morris
Horford

Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Crowder
Tatum
Baynes

The starting unit is all guys 6'7"-6'10" excluding IT, which should really help versatility on both ends of the floor. It also has Hayward and IT, both of whom I expect to have ~25ppg seasons.

Then you bring in a gritty bench with lots of physicality in Smart, Baynes and Crowder, as well as some finesse.

This is the lineup I want to see, as well. Jaylen might not be quite ready, but I think he will be by season's end.


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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 02:22:40 PM »

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 Let's see some more ideas.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 03:38:02 PM »

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Starters:

Thomas
Afflalo
Hayward
Morris (Barf)
Horford

Bench:

Smart/Rozier (double barf)
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 03:49:43 PM »

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 Can't believe the NBA Experience we can use on the second team.

Baynes 30, Sixth Season
Morris 27, Seventh season
Tatum 19, First Season
Rozier 22, Third season
Smart 22, Forth Season

 I'd still want Tatum to be the #1 option on offense, followed by Morris

Yes, I agree with you about Baynes off the bench; I think that Baynes/Horford is a problem for guarding quick swings/power forwards out on the perimeter. Baynes brings limitations along with his definite assets - but maybe you get what you pay for. It's a long season and it seems likely that we'll see a stretch of AB (!) as a starter.

The long-term solution is, above all, Tatum. Needs to put on weight, but the length is already there, the anticipation, the excellent NBA body, the quickness.

Best case scenario, after the All-Star Break:

Horford
Tatum
Hayward
Brown
Thomas

Give Jaylen/Jayson minutes. Don't worry about the record before New Year's.

6 Sixth Man: Crowder or Smart?

Crowder last season defensive reb% over 17 - great to have that at your small forward spot. Can back up wing or swing and was a consummate spot-up shooter last season.  That he upped his free-throw rate and % as well and expanded his modest dribble-drive game is gravy. 

And actually Boston's biggest gap is at the starting second big/swing. The job is waiting for Jayson Tatum, as soon as he can step into it. But Crowder can play that role, too, though he doesn't have the height and length of Tatum. He's much better placed as a backup swing, rather than a starter. But as a backup he's a big asset.

They use Smart as an instigator and in post-ups to deliver a pass - probably works best when you match him with four 3-pt shooters; if so it begs the question: is putting him with Baynes a problem?

Anyway, Brad loves him and what he brings - he makes something happen when he's on the floor; he made a big step forward in his team defense this year; so though he came off the bench, he got starter's minutes.

So how about you bring in Smart and Crowder together for Brown and Tatum?

8 First Big off the bench: Baynes
9 Morris



After 9, it's going to be a big shuffle throughout the season. Rozier will get more burn later on; the big step he took this past season was encouraging, and especially because he peaked in the playoffs. He'd better be shooting 1,000 threes a day. As the Celtics upgrade their shot-creators, a 3-and-D point with length is a very valuable commodity.

I wonder if Ojeleye might be the dark horse/surprise this season.  His age suggests that the ceiling is limited; but he showed good smart, mobile physical defense on bigger players in SL (he helped turn the Laker game with his defense) - and an accurate shot from distance. The big question at 2nd big/pf/swing is also being asked of him. Can he defensive rebound?

Zizic got better through the summer league schedule. I don't believe in the body - flexibility, quickness, ability to avoid injury I'd give him low marks on. But he's relentless, takes contact, and looks like he's coachable - they did a play with Brown where Ante gets it up top while Jaylen on the wing beats his man cutting to the front of the rim and takes the bounce pass from Zizic, (à la Al Horford!) - and with success. That's GREAT news for those, like me, who are skeptical that you can run any offense through him.

Apart from the physical and skill limitations, he's got Baynes in front of him, and since it's hard to project Baynes as a regular starter it's hard to project Zizic as more than a 10th man; I think 11th. I think that Ojeleye is ahead of him, but their games are different. I'd bet that Brad would prefer the spacing that Semi brings. But it's a long season, and AZ may get his moment.
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