Return of the Mid-range Game to the Celtics!

[KG Living Legend]

 Threes are great but I am really glad we will be playing more old school well rounded basketball this year.

 Everyone knows Tatum's bread and butter is his awesome mid range game. I think the 3-point shot will come eventually. However with his 85% free throw percentage last year you can see why his mid-range and fade away game is straight easy for him.

 Hayward took 312 attempts from mid range last year 39% of his shots were from mid-range. His shot chart below.

 http://vorped.com/1-nba/2015-2016/player/937/gordon-hayward/shotchart/



 Here is what a Pistons fan said about Morris

 
Marcus has one of the best contested midrange fadeaways in the league. These two of the hardest working players on our squad last year. Baynes is a pretty reliable free throw shooter and gets fouled a good amount when he's in. Marcus is a good gritty player and I will miss him dearly.

 Horford is a good clutch shooter but I would put four guys ahead of him in Iso situations when we need a bucket. Horford usually drives and passes.

 #1 Thomas
 #2 Hayward
 #3 Tatum
 #4 Morris

 That list tells you we will be hard to guard in the fourth quarter.
 

[CelticsElite]

TP

Very good points. Can't wait to see the spacing and open looks our new sharp shooters are going to create. Hoping smart gets some practice in with his shot too by the trainers that helped give  avery his shot after being drafted. They're going to sag off smart to double Hayward and others, so would be nice if smart got more reliable too

[KG Living Legend]

TP

Very good points. Can't wait to see the spacing and open looks our new sharp shooters are going to create. Hoping smart gets some practice in with his shot too by the trainers that helped give  avery his shot after being drafted. They're going to sag off smart to double Hayward and others, so would be nice if smart got more reliable too

 TP back Elite! Return of the Mid Range!

 It's one thing not to like really deep two's like Bradley used to love. It's another thing all together when you have a 6'8" guy like Tatum who is almost automatic from 15 feet

[Future Celtics Owner]

TP

Very good points. Can't wait to see the spacing and open looks our new sharp shooters are going to create. Hoping smart gets some practice in with his shot too by the trainers that helped give  avery his shot after being drafted. They're going to sag off smart to double Hayward and others, so would be nice if smart got more reliable too

 TP back Elite! Return of the Mid Range!

 It's one thing not to like really deep two's like Bradley used to love. It's another thing all together when you have a 6'8" guy like Tatum who is almost automatic from 15 feet

TP's for both of you.

A few things that get me excited when reading this post:
1.As Tatum physically matures and gets stronger in our pro STRENGTH & CONDITIONING PROGRAM he will become an even better shooter with the ability to create more space w/o the insane difficulty of his shots being highly contested...and he still is making them. With the added quickness he would be a legit TRIPLE-THREAT.
2. Jaylen Brown will have have the perfect mentors on the team to improve the weaker parts of his game. I suspect he will be studying Gordon Hayward every-time they touch a basketball.
3. Tatum and Brown still have a ton of time until the season starts

[footey]

mid range two's are great if shot at a high enough percentage. 

[Wretch]

mid range two's are great if shot at a high enough percentage.

50% from 2 = 34% from 3. (1 point versus 1.02 points per attempt)

You would need to shoot 54% from 2 to match the production from the league average from 3 last year.

[keevsnick]

mid range two's are great if shot at a high enough percentage.

50% from 2 = 34% from 3. (1 point versus 1.02 points per attempt)

You would need to shoot 54% from 2 to match the production from the league average from 3 last year.

Ya again there's a reason midrange two's have died out form the game, they are in efficient shots. I like Tatum but without a 3 point game his ceiling is Demar Derozen. Good player, not great,

[CelticsElite]

mid range two's are great if shot at a high enough percentage.

50% from 2 = 34% from 3. (1 point versus 1.02 points per attempt)

You would need to shoot 54% from 2 to match the production from the league average from 3 last year.

Ya again there's a reason midrange two's have died out form the game, they are in efficient shots. I like Tatum but without a 3 point game his ceiling is Demar Derozen. Good player, not great,

then josh Jackson must be a d leaguer. He has no 3 or 2

[Wretch]

mid range two's are great if shot at a high enough percentage.

50% from 2 = 34% from 3. (1 point versus 1.02 points per attempt)

You would need to shoot 54% from 2 to match the production from the league average from 3 last year.

Ya again there's a reason midrange two's have died out form the game, they are in efficient shots. I like Tatum but without a 3 point game his ceiling is Demar Derozen. Good player, not great,

If JT's FT% is an accurate indicator of his 3 point potential I think he will be OK as he seems to have the mental make up and athletic ability to improve, but as Smart has shown us becoming a good shooter in game situations is tougher than it might seem.

[Fan from VT]

There may become a marjet correction/inefficiency that will allow for midrange shots to be useful. Basically, as others have pointed out, if you can hit them at a high enough rate combined with team defenses that are designed to guard against 3s and the paint, it may be available to exploit. But you have to be very good, like KG level good. More likely, if Tatum is going to be a star rather than just a nice player, he will have to continue to get to the rim, turn those ling 2s into 3s, and use the threat of a good midrange game to open up passing and driving options.

[KG Living Legend]

mid range two's are great if shot at a high enough percentage.

50% from 2 = 34% from 3. (1 point versus 1.02 points per attempt)

You would need to shoot 54% from 2 to match the production from the league average from 3 last year.

 I'm more talking about Crucial game situations where we normally are just jacking contested three's. Nice to have the option of a guy getting a wide open look for himself off the dribble.

[vjcsmoke]

If JT's FT% is an accurate indicator of his 3 point potential I think he will be OK as he seems to have the mental make up and athletic ability to improve, but as Smart has shown us becoming a good shooter in game situations is tougher than it might seem.

The main problem with Smart's long range shooting is that he has a hitch in his shot.  He dips the ball unnecessarily before shooting which leads to inaccuracy.  It's an ingrained habit that he needs to break.

Hopefully Tatum just needs more reps at NBA distance to get comfortable with that 3 pt shot.

[Celtics4ever]

You folks are aware that shots in the paint ( not inside the no charge circle) and mid range shots are the most inefficient shots in basketball.

https://sports.vice.com/en_au/article/pgj338/numbers-game-how-spatial-analytics-killed-the-mid-range-jump-shot

Analytics 101 from 2014-15

Shot                   League Avg. %         PTs     Expected Value of Shot Attempt (Points)
0-3 feet                           62.80%         2   1.256
3-10 feet                           38.30%         2   0.766
10-16 feet                         40.30%         2   0.806
16ft. To 3PT Line                39.40%         2   0.788
3PT Line (And Beyond!)   35.00%         3   1.05

Since the value for a missed shot attempt is simply zero points[3. We are intentionally ignoring the effects of offensive rebounding for the moment. It will be the subject of discussion later on in the syllabus, but a missed shot does have some positive value to the shooting team via the chance of offensive rebounding, which makes a miss a more valuable play than a turnover, which has an expectation of exactly zero.] , the expected value of a shot attempt is simply the product of the shooting percentage and the amount of points given for a made shot. For the league average player, the best shots, the shots with the highest expected value, are quite comfortably, shots within 0-3 feet from the hoop and three pointers. Though three pointers are made less than any other shot, the extra point provided for making one is goink[3. #Goink.] to more than make up for the fact that they are made slightly less often. In the long run, threes from a league average player are going to net you more points than the same amount of mid-range shots.

http://fansided.com/2015/08/17/nylon-calculus-101-expected-value-and-shot-selection/


I would like the midrange make a comeback, too.

[inverselock]

mid range two's are great if shot at a high enough percentage.

50% from 2 = 34% from 3. (1 point versus 1.02 points per attempt)

You would need to shoot 54% from 2 to match the production from the league average from 3 last year.

 I'm more talking about Crucial game situations where we normally are just jacking contested three's. Nice to have the option of a guy getting a wide open look for himself off the dribble.

Looking forward to watch them not have to rely on chucking 3's all game.    Basketball isn't played on a spreadsheet.  Sometimes you just need a bucket to keep you in the game, from the guys that can get their own.