How much salary do we have to shed?

[TheBigTicket23]

Just a question, TP for the answer and explaining

How much salary do we need to trade away to sign GH on a max deal? Would for example just moving D. Jackson (1.3m) and Mickey (1.4m) be enough to create the slot?
Can't we just waive these players to avoid trading one of Smart, AB, JC?

Thanks!

[MattyIce]

Per http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92438.msg2356535#new

(assuming we stash Yabu and dump Rozier-Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief)

1. Horford $27,734,405
2. Bradley $8,808,989
3. Crowder $6,796,117
4. Thomas $6,261,394
5. Tatum $5,645,400
6. Brown $4,956,480
7. Smart $4,538,019
8. Zizic $1,645,200
9. rookie minimum $815,615
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total : $69,648,464

The league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

$99,093,000 - $69,648,464 = $29,444,536 available in cap space

That's $283,364 short of Hayward's max ($29,727,900).

[MattyIce]

good read

http://www.celticshub.com/2017/07/05/gordon-hayward-sign-trade-options/

[__ramonezy__]

Per http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92438.msg2356535#new

(assuming we stash Yabu and dump Rozier-Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief)

1. Horford $27,734,405
2. Bradley $8,808,989
3. Crowder $6,796,117
4. Thomas $6,261,394
5. Tatum $5,645,400
6. Brown $4,956,480
7. Smart $4,538,019
8. Zizic $1,645,200
9. rookie minimum $815,615
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total : $69,648,464

The league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

$99,093,000 - $69,648,464 = $29,444,536 available in cap space

That's $283,364 short of Hayward's max ($29,727,900).

Is that it??? We should simply ask him to take a paycut... heck, hell make that back in endorsements his first week.

[Vermont Green]

My understanding, 12 players currently under contract for a total of approximately $100,968,558 (I say approx because the exact number for Hayward is not known).  The Cap is $99,093,000.  That means we have to shed $1,875,558.  That part, pretty simple.

Mickey is at $1,471,382 and Jackson is at $1,384,750 so it appears to me that those two alone could get us there. [OK, some others have explained that there are rookie roster holds involved but my main point is that we need to trade for a big, not just to clear $300,000]

Problem is that we need a roster.  Right now, our signed bigs are Horford, Zizic, and Mickey so if we waive Mickey, we are down to just Horford and Zizic. I  think further (I am sure that if I am wrong, it will be corrected) that we can sign rookies and go over the cap; that could be Yabusele and Semi Ojeleye.  I guess Daniel Theis could be signed to a minimum contract.

So if we waive Mickey (along with Jackson), and do nothing else, our big man rotation looks like Horford, Zizic, Yabusele, Okeleye, Theis., and some scrap heap min vet.  Not exactly a competitive big rotation.

The point is that we need to make a trade to get a decent big no matter what.  It is not just about making room for Hayward.  Crowder and a pick or something like that need to go out and we need to get back a starting caliber big man.

[TheBigTicket23]

Thank you for the explanation! TP!

I just hope we can make it happen without a trade which is just about shedding salaries including a good player..

[kozlodoev]

Jackson has a partial guarantee.

I also have a hard time that Hayward is so hell-bent about an extra several hundred thousand that he would insist on the team he's going to gutting their roster to sign him. These numbers just must be off.

[kozlodoev]

Thank you for the explanation! TP!

I just hope we can make it happen without a trade which is just about shedding salaries including a good player..

If we could, it would have been done at noon when free agency opened.

[CelticsElite]

Per http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92438.msg2356535#new

(assuming we stash Yabu and dump Rozier-Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief)

1. Horford $27,734,405
2. Bradley $8,808,989
3. Crowder $6,796,117
4. Thomas $6,261,394
5. Tatum $5,645,400
6. Brown $4,956,480
7. Smart $4,538,019
8. Zizic $1,645,200
9. rookie minimum $815,615
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total : $69,648,464

The league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

$99,093,000 - $69,648,464 = $29,444,536 available in cap space

That's $283,364 short of Hayward's max ($29,727,900).

Is that it??? We should simply ask him to take a paycut... heck, hell make that back in endorsements his first week.

he took a $44 million pay cut to switch teams already. He owes us nothing more

[bellerephon]

Jackson has a partial guarantee.

I also have a hard time that Hayward is so hell-bent about an extra several hundred thousand that he would insist on the team he's going to gutting their roster to sign him. These numbers just must be off.

I don't think the numbers are off, they've been widely reported by credible sources. I think the Celts are looking for trades because they need to get a good big and they need to minimize their luxury tax hit in coming years.

[bellerephon]

Per http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92438.msg2356535#new

(assuming we stash Yabu and dump Rozier-Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief)

1. Horford $27,734,405
2. Bradley $8,808,989
3. Crowder $6,796,117
4. Thomas $6,261,394
5. Tatum $5,645,400
6. Brown $4,956,480
7. Smart $4,538,019
8. Zizic $1,645,200
9. rookie minimum $815,615
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total : $69,648,464

The league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

$99,093,000 - $69,648,464 = $29,444,536 available in cap space

That's $283,364 short of Hayward's max ($29,727,900).

Is that it??? We should simply ask him to take a paycut... heck, hell make that back in endorsements his first week.

he took a $44 million pay cut to switch teams already. He owes us nothing more

I agree he doesn't owe the Celts more, but he did not take a 44 million dollar pay cut. The 44 million difference would only be in effect if he wanted to take a 5 year deal from Utah. It seems most likely that all he wants is the 3 plus 1 he's taking with Boston. That puts him in line for a super max contract in 3 years if he opts out, he would likely have done the same sort of contract if he stayed in Utah. The difference is still a few million, but far less than 44.

[droopdog7]

Per http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92438.msg2356535#new

(assuming we stash Yabu and dump Rozier-Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief)

1. Horford $27,734,405
2. Bradley $8,808,989
3. Crowder $6,796,117
4. Thomas $6,261,394
5. Tatum $5,645,400
6. Brown $4,956,480
7. Smart $4,538,019
8. Zizic $1,645,200
9. rookie minimum $815,615
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total : $69,648,464

The league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

$99,093,000 - $69,648,464 = $29,444,536 available in cap space

That's $283,364 short of Hayward's max ($29,727,900).

THIS IS NOT TRUE! We have yet to shed Jackson and Rozier.  So more work to do than that.

[kozlodoev]

Per http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92438.msg2356535#new

(assuming we stash Yabu and dump Rozier-Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief)

1. Horford $27,734,405
2. Bradley $8,808,989
3. Crowder $6,796,117
4. Thomas $6,261,394
5. Tatum $5,645,400
6. Brown $4,956,480
7. Smart $4,538,019
8. Zizic $1,645,200
9. rookie minimum $815,615
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total : $69,648,464

The league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

$99,093,000 - $69,648,464 = $29,444,536 available in cap space

That's $283,364 short of Hayward's max ($29,727,900).

Is that it??? We should simply ask him to take a paycut... heck, hell make that back in endorsements his first week.

he took a $44 million pay cut to switch teams already. He owes us nothing more

He doesn't, but making the team trade rotation players for pennies on the dollar in order to get an extra million after you've already given up twenty times that to go to the team of your choosing strikes me as odd. Especially if your idea was to sign with a team that can win games.

[EJPLAYA]

Per http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92438.msg2356535#new

(assuming we stash Yabu and dump Rozier-Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief)

1. Horford $27,734,405
2. Bradley $8,808,989
3. Crowder $6,796,117
4. Thomas $6,261,394
5. Tatum $5,645,400
6. Brown $4,956,480
7. Smart $4,538,019
8. Zizic $1,645,200
9. rookie minimum $815,615
10. rookie minimum $815,615
11. rookie minimum $815,615
12. rookie minimum $815,615

Total : $69,648,464

The league set the salary cap for the upcoming campaign at $99,093,000.

$99,093,000 - $69,648,464 = $29,444,536 available in cap space

That's $283,364 short of Hayward's max ($29,727,900).

Is that it??? We should simply ask him to take a paycut... heck, hell make that back in endorsements his first week.

he took a $44 million pay cut to switch teams already. He owes us nothing more

He doesn't, but making the team trade rotation players for pennies on the dollars so that you can get an extra million after you've already given up twenty times that to go to the team of your choosing strikes me as odd if your idea was to sign with a team that can win games.

This is the correct answer. At least present him with the option. However he might want one of these guys like Crowder out of there and so he might not want to do that. He may feel that he'd rather have Brown coming off the bench for him than Crowder... Who knows. I can't imagine that if he wanted to keep them all that he wouldn't volunteer that.

[Vermont Green]

Jackson has a partial guarantee.

I also have a hard time that Hayward is so hell-bent about an extra several hundred thousand that he would insist on the team he's going to gutting their roster to sign him. These numbers just must be off.

I don't think the numbers are off, they've been widely reported by credible sources. I think the Celts are looking for trades because they need to get a good big and they need to minimize their luxury tax hit in coming years.

This (bolded).  If we play out the scenario of waiving Mickey and Jackson plus give away Rozier, our big rotation ends up being

Starters:  Horford and Zizic
Bench:  Yabusele, Okeleye, Theis, and some vet min

That is not a viable roster.  Yes, there are some salary cap manipulations going on but the real issue is the roster.  We need to make at least one trade for a starting caliber big or we are not going to be a contender in the east.