Washburn: Crowder to Hawks in the works?

[Neurotic Guy]

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

I liked Crowder more before he thought he was a first option on offense.   The bottom line is this:

This is a business, Ainge is our GM, and this is  not a loyalty litmus test.  He traded PP and KG against fan wishes, he would trade Crowder in the blink of an eye.

True. You have to be calculated and cold sometimes to be a great GM.  Also need to be genuine in your commitment to progress - players ultimately respect this even if it means your job with the organization is never 100% guaranteed.   

Crowder will be missed by most fans and he is appreciated by most as well.  He emerged from "throw-in" status to be a surprise asset in the Rondo trade and I don't think.anyone questions his effort and value relative to initial expectations.  As long as he never joins the Lakers, I'll always be a fan of Jae and will always consider him a Celtic.  I definitely wish they could keep him, but between him , Smart and AB, I think he's the most expendable.

[Darío SpanishFan]

I think it may have logic what Washburn has heard/proposed. Atlanta has cap space and can absorb Jae's contract without sending back players.

I'd trade Crowder to Atlanta for a 2018 first round pick, the best of Minnesota and theirs (lottery protected). Teams know we have to trade some players to make room for Hayward, so we don't have much leverage here. Getting Crowder for around 18 pick next year could be a good return.

Yeah their leverage is low given the C's very public situation, but I do think Crowder has some value around the league. As long as more than one team has interest, there is a bit of negotiating room.

It would be good to help Atlanta so they don't fall too far into the lotto.  We don't want them to threaten the Nets for the worst record.

TP for the nice completion of my reasoning.

[saltlover]

I think it may have logic what Washburn has heard/proposed. Atlanta has cap space and can absorb Jae's contract without sending back players.

I'd trade Crowder to Atlanta for a 2018 first round pick, the best of Minnesota and theirs (lottery protected). Teams know we have to trade some players to make room for Hayward, so we don't have much leverage here. Getting Crowder for around 18 pick next year could be a good return.

Yeah their leverage is low given the C's very public situation, but I do think Crowder has some value around the league. As long as more than one team has interest, there is a bit of negotiating room.

It would be good to help Atlanta so they don't fall too far into the lotto.  We don't want them to threaten the Nets for the worst record.

I don't think the leverage is too low, thankfully.  The C's can make the room by trading any one of Crowder, Smart, and Bradley.  None of those three have very high salaries, and without looking, I'd bet at least 2/3 of teams could make a trade for at least one that would clear the necessary salary, either through trade exceptions, non-guaranteed contracts, cap space, or just being able to send back enough less in guaranteed money.  Each of those players makes far less than what they'd have gotten as free agents this year, and as the free agent market is starting to dry up, such a trade could very much be a team's best option at improving themselves.  Accordingly, the number of potential trade partners who would find it in their own self-interest to make a trade regardless of the Celtics situation should lessen, if not eliminate, the potential discount created by the necessity of the Celtics to make a trade.

If they had to just find a trading partner for one player it could be more difficult, because the market of potential trade partners would shrink.  But since it's one of three, and since the Celtics have such a versatile roster they can really trade any of the three, Ainge will be able to choose from a lot of offers.  At least one will be good enough, although maybe none will be a Danny heist.

[willyd24]

Just read something about Atlanta being involved in a sign and trade deal to send Danilo Galinari to the Clippers. The report says that the Hawks will receive Jamal Crawford, Diamond Stone, 2018 1st Round Pick from the Clippers and cash for helping to facilitate the deal.

Maybe a trade of Jae Crowder for Diamond Stone and a 1st Round Pick. Diamond Stone only made
a little more than $500,000 in salary last year and could be a cheap option for us at the center position. He's still only 20 years old and is 6'11.

Since Ante Zizic underwhelmed in his Summer League debut then it certainly wouldn't hurt to get some additional options at the center position.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think it may have logic what Washburn has heard/proposed. Atlanta has cap space and can absorb Jae's contract without sending back players.

I'd trade Crowder to Atlanta for a 2018 first round pick, the best of Minnesota and theirs (lottery protected). Teams know we have to trade some players to make room for Hayward, so we don't have much leverage here. Getting Crowder for around 18 pick next year could be a good return.

Yeah their leverage is low given the C's very public situation, but I do think Crowder has some value around the league. As long as more than one team has interest, there is a bit of negotiating room.

It would be good to help Atlanta so they don't fall too far into the lotto.  We don't want them to threaten the Nets for the worst record.

I don't think leverage is low at all. There are plenty of teams in the West looking to get that extra edge in the playoff race, whether it be Minny, Denver or even someone like OKC looking for better pieces to complement George.

What it does depend on is what we are looking for in return. Are we looking for future considerations that we might use to target someone like AD? Are we looking for a starting big to fill the hole at the 4? Are we looking for a young big to develop?

Personally I would like to get a starting big in return, someone we could feel comfortable starting. Then have Theis and Zizic off the bench. Or if we feel we can get a starting big for the Room exception, target a young big who can assume the starting role in a year or two. Yes we already have Yab and Tatum but optionality is always a plus.

[Darío SpanishFan]

I think it may have logic what Washburn has heard/proposed. Atlanta has cap space and can absorb Jae's contract without sending back players.

I'd trade Crowder to Atlanta for a 2018 first round pick, the best of Minnesota and theirs (lottery protected). Teams know we have to trade some players to make room for Hayward, so we don't have much leverage here. Getting Crowder for around 18 pick next year could be a good return.

Yeah their leverage is low given the C's very public situation, but I do think Crowder has some value around the league. As long as more than one team has interest, there is a bit of negotiating room.

It would be good to help Atlanta so they don't fall too far into the lotto.  We don't want them to threaten the Nets for the worst record.

I don't think the leverage is too low, thankfully.  The C's can make the room by trading any one of Crowder, Smart, and Bradley.  None of those three have very high salaries, and without looking, I'd bet at least 2/3 of teams could make a trade for at least one that would clear the necessary salary, either through trade exceptions, non-guaranteed contracts, cap space, or just being able to send back enough less in guaranteed money.  Each of those players makes far less than what they'd have gotten as free agents this year, and as the free agent market is starting to dry up, such a trade could very much be a team's best option at improving themselves.  Accordingly, the number of potential trade partners who would find it in their own self-interest to make a trade regardless of the Celtics situation should lessen, if not eliminate, the potential discount created by the necessity of the Celtics to make a trade.

If they had to just find a trading partner for one player it could be more difficult, because the market of potential trade partners would shrink.  But since it's one of three, and since the Celtics have such a versatile roster they can really trade any of the three, Ainge will be able to choose from a lot of offers.  At least one will be good enough, although maybe none will be a Danny heist.

The "problem" is that Ainge surely prefers to trade one of them to the others...and teams may know.

[SHAQATTACK]

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

I liked Crowder more before he thought he was a first option on offense.   The bottom line is this:

This is a business, Ainge is our GM, and this is  not a loyalty litmus test.  He traded PP and KG against fan wishes, he would trade Crowder in the blink of an eye.

LOl..you nailed Danny ....Crowder is small pickings compared to PP and KG ,  and he'll. let IT go too in 2-3 years to retool i. in a heartbeat to make room for somebody else   

its the way of the NBA ...cut throat

[Surferdad]

I think it may have logic what Washburn has heard/proposed. Atlanta has cap space and can absorb Jae's contract without sending back players.

I'd trade Crowder to Atlanta for a 2018 first round pick, the best of Minnesota and theirs (lottery protected). Teams know we have to trade some players to make room for Hayward, so we don't have much leverage here. Getting Crowder for around 18 pick next year could be a good return.

Yeah their leverage is low given the C's very public situation, but I do think Crowder has some value around the league. As long as more than one team has interest, there is a bit of negotiating room.

It would be good to help Atlanta so they don't fall too far into the lotto.  We don't want them to threaten the Nets for the worst record.

I don't think the leverage is too low, thankfully.  The C's can make the room by trading any one of Crowder, Smart, and Bradley.  None of those three have very high salaries, and without looking, I'd bet at least 2/3 of teams could make a trade for at least one that would clear the necessary salary, either through trade exceptions, non-guaranteed contracts, cap space, or just being able to send back enough less in guaranteed money.  Each of those players makes far less than what they'd have gotten as free agents this year, and as the free agent market is starting to dry up, such a trade could very much be a team's best option at improving themselves.  Accordingly, the number of potential trade partners who would find it in their own self-interest to make a trade regardless of the Celtics situation should lessen, if not eliminate, the potential discount created by the necessity of the Celtics to make a trade.

If they had to just find a trading partner for one player it could be more difficult, because the market of potential trade partners would shrink.  But since it's one of three, and since the Celtics have such a versatile roster they can really trade any of the three, Ainge will be able to choose from a lot of offers.  At least one will be good enough, although maybe none will be a Danny heist.

TP, saltlover.  Good point that 'leverage' comes from not only multiple teams' interest in any given player (Crowder, for example) but also from the flexibility to move any of Crowder, Smart, Bradley rather than only one, or all three.

[chiken Green]

What a dumb thing to say from Washburn.
Pure speculation. No logic whatsoever, poor understand of Cs roster.
Everything is wrong basically.

Don't like fans that were so thrilled when Danny signed Crowder to the "contract of the decade" and now throw him under the bus just because he didn't appreciate you applaud an opponent.

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

Also, I feel no sympathy for Utah's fans. The same fans that were angry at their front office for drafting Hayward.
I will never understand how a simple fan thinks he knows better. Pathetic.

Be a real fan, trust the FO decisions, embrace the culture and cheers for the players.
If you can't do that, maybe you are supporting the wrong team.
Not complicated.

Not everybody hates Crowder.. And at this point he will want to be moved to a place where he can start or at least get more playing time so his next contract can be alot  bigger..  As it stands now his starting job was taken by Hayward and before we did that we drafted two Young Lottory Players who play his same position.. 
This is not a lack of respect for Crowder - this is growing the team.
Brown, Tatum and Now Hayward need his minutes if this team is to get better..   

[saltlover]

I think it may have logic what Washburn has heard/proposed. Atlanta has cap space and can absorb Jae's contract without sending back players.

I'd trade Crowder to Atlanta for a 2018 first round pick, the best of Minnesota and theirs (lottery protected). Teams know we have to trade some players to make room for Hayward, so we don't have much leverage here. Getting Crowder for around 18 pick next year could be a good return.

Yeah their leverage is low given the C's very public situation, but I do think Crowder has some value around the league. As long as more than one team has interest, there is a bit of negotiating room.

It would be good to help Atlanta so they don't fall too far into the lotto.  We don't want them to threaten the Nets for the worst record.

I don't think the leverage is too low, thankfully.  The C's can make the room by trading any one of Crowder, Smart, and Bradley.  None of those three have very high salaries, and without looking, I'd bet at least 2/3 of teams could make a trade for at least one that would clear the necessary salary, either through trade exceptions, non-guaranteed contracts, cap space, or just being able to send back enough less in guaranteed money.  Each of those players makes far less than what they'd have gotten as free agents this year, and as the free agent market is starting to dry up, such a trade could very much be a team's best option at improving themselves.  Accordingly, the number of potential trade partners who would find it in their own self-interest to make a trade regardless of the Celtics situation should lessen, if not eliminate, the potential discount created by the necessity of the Celtics to make a trade.

If they had to just find a trading partner for one player it could be more difficult, because the market of potential trade partners would shrink.  But since it's one of three, and since the Celtics have such a versatile roster they can really trade any of the three, Ainge will be able to choose from a lot of offers.  At least one will be good enough, although maybe none will be a Danny heist.

The "problem" is that Ainge surely prefers to trade one of them to the others...and teams may know.

If Ainge wants to trade one more than another, that will mean he's just willing to accept less, because he values that player less.  But the choices are a player who many believe is the best on-ball defender of point guards (in a league dominated by PG) who also put up a 16/6 line last year shooting nearly 40% from 3, a defensive dynamo on his rookie deal who took a major step forward last year at running an NBA offense from the point, and a SF who was one of the most efficient scorers in the league, who has a reputation for physical defense and is under contract for three more years at about a third of what he'd get on the open market.  It's frankly unclear which one he should prefer to trade, and if I had to guess, I'd bet he's disappointed he has to move any of them.

[Tr1boy]

It will come down to Crowder vs Smart. Who will bring back the Celts the most assets without adding to the capspace

[footey]

What a dumb thing to say from Washburn.
Pure speculation. No logic whatsoever, poor understand of Cs roster.
Everything is wrong basically.

Don't like fans that were so thrilled when Danny signed Crowder to the "contract of the decade" and now throw him under the bus just because he didn't appreciate you applaud an opponent.

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

Also, I feel no sympathy for Utah's fans. The same fans that were angry at their front office for drafting Hayward.
I will never understand how a simple fan thinks he knows better. Pathetic.

Be a real fan, trust the FO decisions, embrace the culture and cheers for the players.
If you can't do that, maybe you are supporting the wrong team.
Not complicated.

Appreciate Crowder, a great Celtic, but let's get real here. We need to trade one of Bradley, Smart or Crowder, and Crowder position-wise makes the most sense. Plus his attractive contract makes it more likely we can receive a 1st round pick in return. This is merely the need to dump salary.

[PAOBoston]

I would still try to keep Crowder and Smart. Crowder is under contract for 3 more years and Smart is restricted at the end of the year so you could extend qualifying offer to him and keep him an additional year.

AB is the guy to go. He's a free agent at the end of the year and there's really no way the C's can keep him.

[dreamgreen]

What a dumb thing to say from Washburn.
Pure speculation. No logic whatsoever, poor understand of Cs roster.
Everything is wrong basically.

Don't like fans that were so thrilled when Danny signed Crowder to the "contract of the decade" and now throw him under the bus just because he didn't appreciate you applaud an opponent.

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

Also, I feel no sympathy for Utah's fans. The same fans that were angry at their front office for drafting Hayward.
I will never understand how a simple fan thinks he knows better. Pathetic.

Be a real fan, trust the FO decisions, embrace the culture and cheers for the players.
If you can't do that, maybe you are supporting the wrong team.
Not complicated.

I like Crowder and would like to keep him he would be an excellent 6 man.

But you NEVER have blind faith in someone that suggestion is just wrong. That is how horrible things have happened through out history.

[chilidawg]

It will come down to Crowder vs Smart. Who will bring back the Celts the most assets without adding to the capspace

They need to create cap space, not just not add to it.  Otherwise I think Danny would keep all 3.