Done: Hayward Announces He's Joining Celtics

[moiso]

I thought Boston is where no Free agents will come. Welcome to Boston you will be Well Loved here. Let's Go Celtics!!!!!!

No, it's "No major free agents will EVER sign with the Celtics!!!!1!!*

*except Al Horford**

**and Gordon Hayward"

Actually, it's "no superstar will ever sign with the Celtics!"

Still true.

Exactly.

Forgive me guys, but I just can't get excited about this. I don't see any way how we're winning a championship with this team, or how this leads to a championship down the road.

All I see is a perpetual treadmill team. The worst kind of treadmill team, the one that gives you hope. The only difference to three weeks ago is that we lost our cap flexibility for the forseeable future.

You just agreed with me about you moving the goalposts.

 

No.

The goalposts were moved when the topic changed from "not able to sign a superstar" to "not able to sign a top FA".

Because, you know, superstars win championships, not nice, little players who fit into the nice, little system of your nice, little college coach.

I am a little confused about this whole thread and the direction it is going. The team that was held up as an example of a "treadmill team" is most frequently the Atlanta Hawks. They won 38-45 games every year for about a decade and always drafted in the 12-22 range so they never got young enough players to get better. Their teams with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith were pretty predictable and didn't have much variance or anything.

So fans want their teams to not become treadmill teams hope that their team does a rebuild right? You have you really bottom out and get top 3 picks for 2-3 years right? I mean the 76ers were held up as the craziest tank ever and picked number 3 number 3, number 1 and number 3 over that period (prior to their trade). The Celtics got the third pick last year, the first pick this year and presumably a top 6 pick next year (with a good chance of another lottery pick mixed in). That is about as high as you could hope to get while tanking hard (as seen with the 76ers). We basically had a farm team tanking for us. Somehow people are upset with this?  I just don't get that. We are getting the best of both worlds here. We have also signed one of the top 3 free agents from the free agent market 2 summers in a row and have owners that are going to be going into the luxury tax.... Like what is there to be upset about?

Yeah, i don't get it.

90% of the teams in the league would love to be where we're at.

You can make a case the Sixers and Wolves are better positioned for the future, but I'd say we are no worse than #3 on that list.

Add to that we have a competitive, well-respected franchise in an increasingly attractive market and I'd say we're doing alright.

We are doing awesome.  And someone please let me know when the Sixers or Wolves actually have a better team than the Celtics.  Not "if Embiid stays healthy" stuff.  Let me know if the Sixers are ever better than the Celtics.  I bet they won't be for another generation or rebuild or whatever.  We went to the conference finals and have many pieces to add to that.   

[jbp126]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

[hpantazo]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

[moiso]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

TP to that. 

[CelticsElite]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

i honestly can't tell if your sarcastic or not lol.!

Assuming your sarcastic

[RJ87]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

Apparently he's gonna where a Celtics jersey over his Nets jersey.

We just need to stop feeding the trolls.

[moiso]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

The 3rd one is our own.  He's being ridiculous on purpose.

[kraidstar]

I thought Boston is where no Free agents will come. Welcome to Boston you will be Well Loved here. Let's Go Celtics!!!!!!

No, it's "No major free agents will EVER sign with the Celtics!!!!1!!*

*except Al Horford**

**and Gordon Hayward"

Actually, it's "no superstar will ever sign with the Celtics!"

Still true.

Exactly.

Forgive me guys, but I just can't get excited about this. I don't see any way how we're winning a championship with this team, or how this leads to a championship down the road.

All I see is a perpetual treadmill team. The worst kind of treadmill team, the one that gives you hope. The only difference to three weeks ago is that we lost our cap flexibility for the forseeable future.

You just agreed with me about you moving the goalposts.

 

No.

The goalposts were moved when the topic changed from "not able to sign a superstar" to "not able to sign a top FA".

Because, you know, superstars win championships, not nice, little players who fit into the nice, little system of your nice, little college coach.

I am a little confused about this whole thread and the direction it is going. The team that was held up as an example of a "treadmill team" is most frequently the Atlanta Hawks. They won 38-45 games every year for about a decade and always drafted in the 12-22 range so they never got young enough players to get better. Their teams with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith were pretty predictable and didn't have much variance or anything.

So fans want their teams to not become treadmill teams hope that their team does a rebuild right? You have you really bottom out and get top 3 picks for 2-3 years right? I mean the 76ers were held up as the craziest tank ever and picked number 3 number 3, number 1 and number 3 over that period (prior to their trade). The Celtics got the third pick last year, the first pick this year and presumably a top 6 pick next year (with a good chance of another lottery pick mixed in). That is about as high as you could hope to get while tanking hard (as seen with the 76ers). We basically had a farm team tanking for us. Somehow people are upset with this?  I just don't get that. We are getting the best of both worlds here. We have also signed one of the top 3 free agents from the free agent market 2 summers in a row and have owners that are going to be going into the luxury tax.... Like what is there to be upset about?

Yeah, i don't get it.

90% of the teams in the league would love to be where we're at.

You can make a case the Sixers and Wolves are better positioned for the future, but I'd say we are no worse than #3 on that list.

Add to that we have a competitive, well-respected franchise in an increasingly attractive market and I'd say we're doing alright.

We are doing awesome.  And someone please let me know when the Sixers or Wolves actually have a better team than the Celtics.  Not "if Embiid stays healthy" stuff.  Let me know if the Sixers are ever better than the Celtics.  I bet they won't be for another generation or rebuild or whatever.  We went to the conference finals and have many pieces to add to that.

No doubt there are plenty of questions about the Wolves and Sixers.

i.e Can Wiggins and Towns play defense? Does Wiggins have heart and can he score efficiently? Can Embiid stay healthy? Does Simmons have the makeup to be a winner? Can Simmons shoot? etc etc.

But at least you can make a case they are set up pretty well. There is reason to hope if you're a fan of one of those teams.

Most of the teams in the league are pretty hopeless, a lot of them have squandered the future for what amounts to no chance in the present. We are doing great.

[jbp126]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

Now our pick (Celtics '18) is gonna be in the low 20s at best!

[manl_lui]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

Now our pick (Celtics '18) is gonna be in the low 20s at best!

mid 20s low 20s, same to me, but the Nets and PHI picks are still good

[jbp126]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

Apparently he's gonna where a Celtics jersey over his Nets jersey.

We just need to stop feeding the trolls.

Not intending to troll. Just a healthy amount of sarcasm to point out how ridiculous some people are being right now. They are the true trolls.

[moiso]

I thought Boston is where no Free agents will come. Welcome to Boston you will be Well Loved here. Let's Go Celtics!!!!!!

No, it's "No major free agents will EVER sign with the Celtics!!!!1!!*

*except Al Horford**

**and Gordon Hayward"

Actually, it's "no superstar will ever sign with the Celtics!"

Still true.

Exactly.

Forgive me guys, but I just can't get excited about this. I don't see any way how we're winning a championship with this team, or how this leads to a championship down the road.

All I see is a perpetual treadmill team. The worst kind of treadmill team, the one that gives you hope. The only difference to three weeks ago is that we lost our cap flexibility for the forseeable future.

You just agreed with me about you moving the goalposts.

 

No.

The goalposts were moved when the topic changed from "not able to sign a superstar" to "not able to sign a top FA".

Because, you know, superstars win championships, not nice, little players who fit into the nice, little system of your nice, little college coach.

I am a little confused about this whole thread and the direction it is going. The team that was held up as an example of a "treadmill team" is most frequently the Atlanta Hawks. They won 38-45 games every year for about a decade and always drafted in the 12-22 range so they never got young enough players to get better. Their teams with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith were pretty predictable and didn't have much variance or anything.

So fans want their teams to not become treadmill teams hope that their team does a rebuild right? You have you really bottom out and get top 3 picks for 2-3 years right? I mean the 76ers were held up as the craziest tank ever and picked number 3 number 3, number 1 and number 3 over that period (prior to their trade). The Celtics got the third pick last year, the first pick this year and presumably a top 6 pick next year (with a good chance of another lottery pick mixed in). That is about as high as you could hope to get while tanking hard (as seen with the 76ers). We basically had a farm team tanking for us. Somehow people are upset with this?  I just don't get that. We are getting the best of both worlds here. We have also signed one of the top 3 free agents from the free agent market 2 summers in a row and have owners that are going to be going into the luxury tax.... Like what is there to be upset about?

Yeah, i don't get it.

90% of the teams in the league would love to be where we're at.

You can make a case the Sixers and Wolves are better positioned for the future, but I'd say we are no worse than #3 on that list.

Add to that we have a competitive, well-respected franchise in an increasingly attractive market and I'd say we're doing alright.

We are doing awesome.  And someone please let me know when the Sixers or Wolves actually have a better team than the Celtics.  Not "if Embiid stays healthy" stuff.  Let me know if the Sixers are ever better than the Celtics.  I bet they won't be for another generation or rebuild or whatever.  We went to the conference finals and have many pieces to add to that.

No doubt there are plenty of questions about the Wolves and Sixers.

i.e Can Wiggins and Towns play defense? Does Wiggins have heart and can he score efficiently? Can Embiid stay healthy? Does Simmons have the makeup to be a winner? Can Simmons shoot? etc etc.

But at least you can make a case they are set up pretty well. There is reason to hope if you're a fan of one of those teams.

Most of the teams in the league are pretty hopeless, a lot of them have squandered the future for what amounts to no chance in the present. We are doing great.

Yep, the Wolves and Sixers aren't looking as bad as the Hawks, Knicks, or Pacers.  The Celtics look freaking awesome though when factoring current performance with future additions.

[RJ87]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

Apparently he's gonna where a Celtics jersey over his Nets jersey.

We just need to stop feeding the trolls.

Not intending to troll. Just a healthy amount of sarcasm to point out how ridiculous some people are being right now. They are the true trolls.

Gotta use sarcasm font next time. I genuinely can't tell the difference here right now.

[jbp126]

In all seriousness, this is a great signing from almost all angles. Hayward is a very good all around player and a desperately needed go-to offensive option. He's doesn't come for nothing, as we may have to dump some combination of Bradley, Crowder, Smart and Rozier but Hayward is an upgrade over all. What we lose in veteran depth, we'll gain in more minutes for high draft picks.  This cap space was a use it or lose it situation and no contract on the books affects our ability to re-sign Jaylen, Tatum, or future draft picks to longer deals in the future. 

There is at least still one more move to be made but, as currently constituted, we are right there with Cleveland with two more lottery picks on the way. We are competing for a title now (probably won't win one in the next two seasons) while keeping our future intact. Please tell me how this isn't a great acquisition and how we still aren't set for the future. 

[jbp126]

Anyone else annoyed Hayward ruins are chances at a third top 5 pick next year while also messes up our cap situation going forward? No one is winning a championship until Durant, Curry, LeBron, Kahwi, Davis, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, and Towns are all out of their primes. If you're not moving the goal posts, you're not tanking and if you're not tanking, you're not winning!

Why? Did he sign with the Nets or Lakers?

Apparently he's gonna where a Celtics jersey over his Nets jersey.

We just need to stop feeding the trolls.

Not intending to troll. Just a healthy amount of sarcasm to point out how ridiculous some people are being right now. They are the true trolls.

Gotta use sarcasm font next time. I genuinely can't tell the difference here right now.

My bad.  I thought it was nonsensical enough to not be taken seriously but I've been on CB long enough to know that there are some interesting opinions.