Will the Celtics sign free agent Gordon Hayward?

[GreenWarrior]

nope!

and for the record if brad stevens can't lure one of "his guys", I would completely give up on the notion of landing a free agent worthy of actually going after. to be more specific I mean someone better than Horford.

the acquisition of all these draft picks is nice but if danny actually wanted to deal them he needed to flip 'em ASAP. other teams know we can't use them all, putting us at a severe disadvantage in negotiations.

on top of all that we have no players anyone wants to give anything up for, the more teams see Bradley and crowder the less interested teams are. so the only assets we have are these draft picks, that's why we haven't seen a deal happen. I wouldn't trade these picks for a jimmy butler either... maybe I would have let some go for George a couple seasons ago but not as rental this yr. we needed to use those picks on maybe a Durant or cousins right away, but danny held out and it was a huge mistake if he intended to use them as trade bait.

from the start we should have tanked. the options and players we would have had at this point hurts. instead we get to see a team that's only good because the rest of the east is horrible but lose as soon as we face a team with an actual superstar. but at least we're interesting to fill seats for 82 plus games... that matters most.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

40% stays 30% boston and miami... west is brutal but home, miami has the lifestyle, boston better chances to win...

whats the Miami lifestyle? Melting in the 100 degree summers? Lol. Guy is married with kids. Not sure he's totally not interested in the nightclubs and shootings Miami has

beach versus snow? you tell me?

for me, give me snow. and the seasons. the fall in new england is stunning with its beauty. the first snow fall of the year is gorgeous. clouds and rain give a respite from unrelenting sun and heat.

i am currently in a place with a famous beach, sun 12 months a year and temperatures never below freezing and rarely below 60 degrees.

no snow. no rain to speak of. no clouds. no fall colors. no snow sports. no break. no change....except for the hurricanes every so often. 

it
is
the
same
every
single
day

to be honest, for me, and i know some of others here who share this opinion, at first it is a bit of a novelty. then it becomes tedious to know that each day is virtually the same as yesterday, all the time. heat, mosquitoes year round, and more heat but with humidity.

hayward may like that. but not everyone does.

next, as for the snow of boston, does anyone here think hayward is going to be shoveling his own driveway? or putting lawn chairs on the street to save a parking place? nope. instead, he will have a heated garage, and plowing done for him.

again, hayward may love sweating year round on the beach and hiring babysitters so he and his wife can go clubbing. (let's face it, what does "miami culture" mean to a married guy who is a homebody such as hayward?) if so, that may help sway him towards miami.

but then, he may be the sort of person who prefers changes in his weather and the beauty of the four seasons. i dont think we know for sure either way.

so, when is he supposed to finally make his [dang]ed decision? i am soooo tired of waiting. this off season and playoffs have been exhausting. 

snow? LOL

I will stick with my sub tropical climate, africa hot, hurricanes and needing gills to breathe before snow and I do not have beach like florida does. huge selling point. guess we will see.

[liam]

40% stays 30% boston and miami... west is brutal but home, miami has the lifestyle, boston better chances to win...

whats the Miami lifestyle? Melting in the 100 degree summers? Lol. Guy is married with kids. Not sure he's totally not interested in the nightclubs and shootings Miami has

beach versus snow? you tell me?

Skiing baby!

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

40% stays 30% boston and miami... west is brutal but home, miami has the lifestyle, boston better chances to win...

whats the Miami lifestyle? Melting in the 100 degree summers? Lol. Guy is married with kids. Not sure he's totally not interested in the nightclubs and shootings Miami has

beach versus snow? you tell me?

Skiing baby!

lol

[Bobshot]

If they get shut out, I hope Millsap is still around. Somebody should be whispering to his agent.
He's a good fit in Boston.

[Tr1boy]

reasons Hayward signs

- East is weaker now.  Better chance to make it to the finals
- Hayward does not have to be the "man". Less pressure/stress
- Boston city/Market
- CBS connection. Familiarity
- Celtics assets/future assets

reasons Hayward doesn't sign

- Boston media/too much attention
- logjam at the middle.  Potential awkwardness with Jae Crowder
- Celtics failure to sign PG13
- Concerns about roster makeup vs Utah system.
No Gobert defensive presence.  IT4 possession time with the ball.  Who takes
the last shot?     Hayward is the man in Utah and would be also for the Heat (similar structure to the Jazz team with Whiteside etc.)

[hpantazo]

reasons Hayward signs

- East is weaker now.  Better chance to make it to the finals
- Boston city/Market
- CBS connection. Familiarity
- Celtics assets/future assets

reasons Hayward doesn't sign

- Boston media/too much attention
- logjam at the middle.  Potential awkwardness with Jae Crowder
- Celtics failure to sign PG13
- Concerns about roster makeup vs Utah system.
No Gobert defensive presence.  IT4 possession time with the ball.  Who takes
the last shot?     Hayward is the man in Utah and would be also for the Heat (similar structure to the Jazz team with Whiteside etc.)

In regards to being the main scorer and who takes the last shot, all the Celtics have to do is point to the GWS and tell him to see how well that worked out for KD.

[Tr1boy]

reasons Hayward signs

- East is weaker now.  Better chance to make it to the finals
- Boston city/Market
- CBS connection. Familiarity
- Celtics assets/future assets

reasons Hayward doesn't sign

- Boston media/too much attention
- logjam at the middle.  Potential awkwardness with Jae Crowder
- Celtics failure to sign PG13
- Concerns about roster makeup vs Utah system.
No Gobert defensive presence.  IT4 possession time with the ball.  Who takes
the last shot?     Hayward is the man in Utah and would be also for the Heat (similar structure to the Jazz team with Whiteside etc.)

In regards to being the main scorer and who takes the last shot, all the Celtics have to do is point to the GWS and tell him to see how well that worked out for KD.

this is true.   I also modified ...for reasons to sign.... in that he doesn't have to be the "man"
all the time.  So less pressure

[Tr1boy]

To be honest, Jae Crowder should have been traded by now.    Maybe even add Rozier

This way hayward has a clear picture that he will be the starter without awkardness

trading rozier and emptying out some other cap space, maybe the Celts can add Hill to come off the bench. Pricey move but would help to bring in Hayward

[kmart12]

- Concerns about roster makeup vs Utah system.
No Gobert defensive presence.  IT4 possession time with the ball.  Who takes
the last shot?     Hayward is the man in Utah and would be also for the Heat (similar structure to the Jazz team with Whiteside etc.)

TP. This is a great point and one that I've thought about a little. He's currently in a system in which the second best player is a defensive specialist big, and I think that's allowed him to dominate the ball offensively and play his best defense on the wing, knowing that he has a presence in the paint to back him up if he fails. There's a sense of confidence that makes defenders better when they know they have a backup plan (i.e., Gobert) waiting for the at the rim. We definitely don't have that. And for all of Whiteside's downfalls, he can block shots and can help a lot in terms of weakside rim protection. I see the similarities and can understand the appeal in that.

I think one thing that makes the Jazz unappealing is that some of the promising young talent have regressed. Rodney Hood was showing signs as a high upside two-way SG, but had a down year with inconsistent shooting and lapses on defense. Trey Lyles looked like a steal and a potentially great fit alongside Gobert on the block, but he had a horrible shooting season and generally looked terrible throughout the year. And Derrick Favors, who was once considered a cornerstone type piece for the team became irrelevant in the system once Gobert emerged. What was once seen as a decent young core looks blemished at the foundation and I imagine that's a concern for Hayward in his decision making process.

[Phantom255x]

To be honest, Jae Crowder should have been traded by now.    Maybe even add Rozier

This way hayward has a clear picture that he will be the starter without awkardness

trading rozier and emptying out some other cap space, maybe the Celts can add Hill to come off the bench. Pricey move but would help to bring in Hayward

No, they shouldn't have.

What if they traded Crowder + Rozier, and Hayward stayed or went to Miami.

HUGE RISK. You may not like Crowder and/or Rozier, but do you have solutions on who takes over their spots all of a sudden, especially considering they are both on real cheap contracts.

[Tr1boy]

- Concerns about roster makeup vs Utah system.
No Gobert defensive presence.  IT4 possession time with the ball.  Who takes
the last shot?     Hayward is the man in Utah and would be also for the Heat (similar structure to the Jazz team with Whiteside etc.)

TP. This is a great point and one that I've thought about a little. He's currently in a system in which the second best player is a defensive specialist big, and I think that's allowed him to dominate the ball offensively and play his best defense on the wing, knowing that he has a presence in the paint to back him up if he fails. There's a sense of confidence that makes defenders better when they know they have a backup plan (i.e., Gobert) waiting for the at the rim. We definitely don't have that. And for all of Whiteside's downfalls, he can block shots and can help a lot in terms of weakside rim protection. I see the similarities and can understand the appeal in that.

I think one thing that makes the Jazz unappealing is that some of the promising young talent have regressed. Rodney Hood was showing signs as a high upside two-way SG, but had a down year with inconsistent shooting and lapses on defense. Trey Lyles looked like a steal and a potentially great fit alongside Gobert on the block, but he had a horrible shooting season and generally looked terrible throughout the year. And Derrick Favors, who was once considered a cornerstone type piece for the team became irrelevant in the system once Gobert emerged. What was once seen as a decent young core looks blemished at the foundation and I imagine that's a concern for Hayward in his decision making process.

I agree. Utah is up next as to how the team will become betyer for next season...

Right now they are still... Rubio does not move the needle

Hill is a better defender also

Team doesnt have alot of cap space...

In terms of future growth potential...celtics have both heat and jazz beat

[Tr1boy]

To be honest, Jae Crowder should have been traded by now.    Maybe even add Rozier

This way hayward has a clear picture that he will be the starter without awkardness

trading rozier and emptying out some other cap space, maybe the Celts can add Hill to come off the bench. Pricey move but would help to bring in Hayward

No, they shouldn't have.

What if they traded Crowder + Rozier, and Hayward stayed or went to Miami.

HUGE RISK. You may not like Crowder and/or Rozier, but do you have solutions on who takes over their spots all of a sudden, especially considering they are both on real cheap contracts.

Its not about like or dislike...but crowder has to go regardless if Hayward signs

Or else he eats into Brown, Tatum development ...

[Rosco917]

Utah will be a bridesmaid in the West for 3-4 years until Golden State is dismantled. Miami has the sun and the fun, but they're a few players away from pushing the Celtics from being a real contender in the East.

The Celtics need to make sure they down play the seriousness of the injury to IT, (because I'm sure his injury was brought up in Miami.) The true fact is, Hayward has the best chance of playing in an ECF and a finals in Boston. In fact...one sprained ankle, away from the C's getting into the finals with Hayward being signed.

We have a 50/50 chance of signing him.
 

[Celtics18]

I'm kinda hoping we don't sign Hayward.  Signing him would probably mean Olynyk goes elsewhere and it would mean less playing time for Brown and Tatum.

I'm torn, though.  How good is Gordon Hayward, really?  We talking Jimmy Butler good, or we talking a notch below that?

I don't know.