Did the Celtics miss out on Dwight Howard?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I think he's not a fit. He won't get enough touches here, and he'll whine. We didn't miss out.

But in Charlotte, I don't know, man, but I think I can see a little revival here.

Think about it.

Kemba - Marvin Williams - Batum

Those are decent to good 3PT shooters, if they are going to involve him on the offense, the could spread the floor for him and do work.

Problem is, there's MKG, who can't shoot. But regardless, Dwight, as diminished as he is, is easily the 2nd best player for the Hornets, and I think they got a sneaky good trade here. If they can get another 3 and D type wing (Josh Hart at #31?), that could be a decent team.

[gouki88]

I think he's not a fit. He won't get enough touches here, and he'll whine. We didn't miss out.

But in Charlotte, I don't know, man, but I think I can see a little revival here.

Think about it.

Kemba - Marvin Williams - Batum

Those are decent to good 3PT shooters, if they are going to involve him on the offense, the could spread the floor for him and do work.

Problem is, there's MKG, who can't shoot. But regardless, Dwight, as diminished as he is, is easily the 2nd best player for the Hornets, and I think they got a sneaky good trade here. If they can get another 3 and D type wing (Josh Hart at #31?), that could be a decent team.

I agree with this. Kemba proved to be quite a legit PG, add in Dwight and that's quite a nasty PnR duo.

I can see this team making the playoffs.

[trickybilly]

I think he's not a fit. He won't get enough touches here, and he'll whine. We didn't miss out.

But in Charlotte, I don't know, man, but I think I can see a little revival here.

Think about it.

Kemba - Marvin Williams - Batum

Those are decent to good 3PT shooters, if they are going to involve him on the offense, the could spread the floor for him and do work.

Problem is, there's MKG, who can't shoot. But regardless, Dwight, as diminished as he is, is easily the 2nd best player for the Hornets, and I think they got a sneaky good trade here. If they can get another 3 and D type wing (Josh Hart at #31?), that could be a decent team.

I agree with this. Kemba proved to be quite a legit PG, add in Dwight and that's quite a nasty PnR duo.

I can see this team making the playoffs.

Thank all the Gods that we don't need to spend 3 years being the most boring automatic 5 seed out in the East, only to lose Kemba to FA, and spend 8 years re-building. Hard to argue who is the worst positioned club in the NBA out of Sac, Nets, and Hornets.

[Who]

I think he's not a fit. He won't get enough touches here, and he'll whine. We didn't miss out.

But in Charlotte, I don't know, man, but I think I can see a little revival here.

Think about it.

Kemba - Marvin Williams - Batum

Those are decent to good 3PT shooters, if they are going to involve him on the offense, the could spread the floor for him and do work.

Problem is, there's MKG, who can't shoot. But regardless, Dwight, as diminished as he is, is easily the 2nd best player for the Hornets, and I think they got a sneaky good trade here. If they can get another 3 and D type wing (Josh Hart at #31?), that could be a decent team.

I take Batum over Dwight as 2nd best player on Hornets.

I love Batum's offensive game. The ball-handling, passing, shooting, slashing. So smart. Good defensive player. Lots of size and length. Active team defender. Rebounds well. He has become such a well rounded player.

[ChillyWilly]

He doesn't shoot the 3 or defend the perimeter. Centers like him have become useless in the modern nba


This new nba makes a lot of people (who are used to post play centers) uncomfortable and bad mouth Danny, but Danny isn't going to get a non modern center   who can't shoot the 3

Many teams in the NBA still play a style that fits big men like Dwight. This reminds me a lot of when a few of the TOP NFL teams had young bootleg QBs and it was all the rage only way to build in NFL. Trends come and go.

[Moranis]

Honestly a bunch of teams that make sense missed out on him.  Probably because they didn't know he was available.  I mean that trade came out of nowhere.  I mean you start looking around the league, and I think he would have made sense in Indiana, New York, Cleveland, Denver, Portland, Chicago, Phoenix, Sacramento, Washington, and I'm sure a few others (I think he would fit ok in Boston, but not at this point in the summer).  I mean take Phoenix, they have Chandler who is basically a much worse version of Howard.  Chandler basically has the same contract as Plumlee.  Acquire Howard for Chandler and filler and Phoenix is more interesting next year if nothing else.  Then maybe they finalize the Love trade and all of a sudden, they are way more interesting.  Howard is better than Tristan Thompson, maybe Atlanta would have done that straight up.  Chicago has some quality wings and badly needs an interior player.  The same can be said for many of those other teams I mentioned.

That said, I do think Charlotte is the perfect fit for him.  He had great success with Clifford and the Hornets have a clear need for what Dwight brings. 

[Moranis]

He doesn't shoot the 3 or defend the perimeter. Centers like him have become useless in the modern nba


This new nba makes a lot of people (who are used to post play centers) uncomfortable and bad mouth Danny, but Danny isn't going to get a non modern center   who can't shoot the 3

Many teams in the NBA still play a style that fits big men like Dwight. This reminds me a lot of when a few of the TOP NFL teams had young bootleg QBs and it was all the rage only way to build in NFL. Trends come and go.

Yeah I really don't get this at all.  Look at the top 15 centers in the league, very few of them stretch the floor.  Look at the top 20 rebounders in basketball, very few of them shoot more than 1 three a game.  This notion that the league is changing is pretty silly.  I mean even Golden State and Cleveland start a center that has no range at all, and Cleveland actually plays him a lot (4th most mpg in both the regular and post season). 

[Big333223]

Atlanta dumped Howard for a 30 year old bench player and a lesser Plumlee. But actually, that was too much for Charlotte to give up so Atlanta agreed to swap their #31 for Charlotte's #41 to sweeten the deal.

This is Dwight's 3rd team in 3 years. It's his 5th team in 7 years. And not a single one of those 5 teams seemed all that upset about losing him. I think it's safe to say the Celtics didn't "miss out" on much.

[dreamgreen]

I still like Howard but it all depends on whom you are playing against. His athleticism has diminished and he really never learned how to play without it. Saying all that he still brings things to the court he's just no longer dominant.

[Alleyoopster]

Best case scenario: to match salaries which group of players could the Celtics have offered to acquire him? Tyler Zeller plus ? 

[ChillyWilly]

Atlanta dumped Howard for 30 year old bench player and a lesser Plumlee. But actually, that was too much for Charlotte to give up so Atlanta agreed to swap their #31 for Charlotte's #41 to sweeten the deal.

This is Dwight's 3rd team in 3 years. It's his 5th team in 7 years. And not a single one of those 5 teams seemed all that upset about losing him. I think it's safe to say the Celtics didn't "miss out" on much.

Ya that part does seem interesting but ATL has had a change of leadership and that probably plays a bigger role than the typical DH is a locker room cancer.

[Big333223]

He doesn't shoot the 3 or defend the perimeter. Centers like him have become useless in the modern nba


This new nba makes a lot of people (who are used to post play centers) uncomfortable and bad mouth Danny, but Danny isn't going to get a non modern center   who can't shoot the 3

Many teams in the NBA still play a style that fits big men like Dwight. This reminds me a lot of when a few of the TOP NFL teams had young bootleg QBs and it was all the rage only way to build in NFL. Trends come and go.

Yeah I really don't get this at all.  Look at the top 15 centers in the league, very few of them stretch the floor.  Look at the top 20 rebounders in basketball, very few of them shoot more than 1 three a game. This notion that the league is changing is pretty silly.  I mean even Golden State and Cleveland start a center that has no range at all, and Cleveland actually plays him a lot (4th most mpg in both the regular and post season).

Really? Even though Marc Gasol attemped more 3's last season than in his previous 8 seasons combined? Brook Lopez was the same situation. Al Horford, you could've said the same thing about last year and he continued to shoot 3's this year. And pretty much all young big men of note (Cousins, Davis, Porzingis, Towns, Turner, Embiid) shoot 3's.

Cleveland plays Tristan Thompson big minutes and he doesn't shoot 3's but he does defend the perimeter well for his size and was projected as a PF coming out of college (15 years ago, I'm sure he'd mostly be playing PF with maybe a little center). GS starts a traditional center but plays him less than 20 mpg. Of the Warriors top 6 guys in terms of mpg in the playoffs, all are perimeter players. 9 of their top 10 are perimeter guys.

The league could certainly change back but we can't ignore that it is changing.

[Bobshot]

Jordan is now on the market, according to tweets this morning from CSNNE. And the Celtics are interested. Jordan is the kind of defensive force in the middle that would make the Cs much better, especially if they have Hayward in the bag.

[Moranis]

He doesn't shoot the 3 or defend the perimeter. Centers like him have become useless in the modern nba


This new nba makes a lot of people (who are used to post play centers) uncomfortable and bad mouth Danny, but Danny isn't going to get a non modern center   who can't shoot the 3

Many teams in the NBA still play a style that fits big men like Dwight. This reminds me a lot of when a few of the TOP NFL teams had young bootleg QBs and it was all the rage only way to build in NFL. Trends come and go.

Yeah I really don't get this at all.  Look at the top 15 centers in the league, very few of them stretch the floor.  Look at the top 20 rebounders in basketball, very few of them shoot more than 1 three a game. This notion that the league is changing is pretty silly.  I mean even Golden State and Cleveland start a center that has no range at all, and Cleveland actually plays him a lot (4th most mpg in both the regular and post season).

Really? Even though Marc Gasol attemped more 3's last season than in his previous 8 seasons combined? Brook Lopez was the same situation. Al Horford, you could've said the same thing about last year and he continued to shoot 3's this year. And pretty much all young big men of note (Cousins, Davis, Porzingis, Towns, Turner, Embiid) shoot 3's.

Cleveland plays Tristan Thompson big minutes and he doesn't shoot 3's but he does defend the perimeter well for his size and was projected as a PF coming out of college (15 years ago, I'm sure he'd mostly be playing PF with maybe a little center). GS starts a traditional center but plays him less than 20 mpg. Of the Warriors top 6 guys in terms of mpg in the playoffs, all are perimeter players. 9 of their top 10 are perimeter guys.

The league could certainly change back but we can't ignore that it is changing.

GS also plays McGee.  In the playoffs him and ZaZa combined for over 23 mpg.  David West played 13 mpg in the playoffs as well.  So between Zaza, McGee, and West the Warriors played a center that combined had 2 three point attempts in 48 games at 36.4 mpg. 

Of the top 20 rpg that are big men, so not Westbrook, Giannis, Durant, or James, none of the top 5 shot 3 pointers (1 every now and then) were 3 point shooters and only Dwight would be past his prime (Whiteside, Drummond, Gobert, Jordan).  Towns, Davis, Love, and Cousins were all at 1.8 or better.  From 11-15, Jokic shot 1.9 and Vucevic shot 1.0, but Gortat, Valanciunas, and Thompson were all non-shooters.  The last two were Randle who barely shot them and Randolph who shot 1.3 but shot 22.3%.  Some of those guys are PF's and not centers and some of them have been shooting for years (like Love). 

Does it help if you can shoot, of course, but all of the best centers, aren't what you would call a shooter.  And guys like Gasol and Lopez that are getting older, know they can extend their career by expanding their range (both because it gives them another trick, but also because it takes them out of the post where they get hit a lot more). 

[fairweatherfan]

No. There's a reason he's getting ditched so much and for so little. Circling the drain physically, not strong mentally, disliked by teammates, being left behind by the game and owed a lot of money.